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DMZ/Tr3st or Tbol/Var?

Jared.P

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whats up everyone, i tried searching but it seems theres not much out there (at least here on AM) about Tbol anymore but its recently piqued my interest as i've been told i can source it locally, along with anavar - and from research it seems it may be a better option than my planned out dmz/tr3st cycle for later this year.

cycle layout would be tbol at 60mg/var at 40mg for 6 weeks, liver support (probably cel cycle assist, with liv52), and coq10 for blood pressure. PCT would be clomid at 50/50/50/50, with OL str3ngth and epic, possibly a natty tbooster but im not really sold on those (heard good things about iForce testabolan if i can find it - we'll see). From research neither one aromatizes, very little chance of gyno/estro sides and sides in general seem fairly mild

if i did the dmz/trest it would be 40mg dmz for 8 weeks, possibly bumping up to 60 for the last week or two as i have enough, with 75mg trest for the last 6 weeks as i only have the one bottle. support would be the same liver supports, with OL transform to help with the aromatization of the tr3st. Letro on hand to handle gyno problems if something pops up. pct would be the same with clomid, str3ngth and epic.

*all the clomid i will be getting will be pharma. i recently tried research grade and im not sure it did much (from an osta cycle so i know i'll bounce back in time, if not off to the doc). the letro i have is also RC so im likely going to just dump it and go pharma exemestane or arimidex.

*on a side note does anyone know a way to test out letro? as in i can try a small dose and see how it effects me to test its legitimacy before relying on it?

so from a sides:gains perspective it definitely seems like the var/tbol combo is the way to go. i'll stay lean and should put on a solid 15-20lbs in 6 weeks if training/diet are on point.

any thoughts or anything im missing? be hard on me, im just brainstorming!
 
jbryand101b said:
Letro is easy 2.5mg for a week or two an you'll hate your body

I'd run tbol var an trest
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2.5mg ed? Sounds like a really good way to hate life. Ill probably dump it and consider the $35 a wash.

As for the cycle - tr3st at 75mg? Its td trest and i have syringes for proper measured application. With that ill add the transform and pick up exemestane as a just in case as well. So:
Tbol 60mg x6 weeks
var 40mg x6w
tr3st 75mg x6w

Liver/bp supports and transform, exem on hand. Clomid pct with str3ngth and epic. Looking good?

Is cel cycle assist good enough or should i get tudca/liv52? Ive read neither is overly hard on the liver
 
Forgot to mention main goal is lean gains of 15-20lbs or so. Its in the op but buried a bit
 
No need for var. Tbol and dmz would be a great bulk on its own, with the trest as a "test" base. Save the var to stack in another cycle with something really wet. My 2 cents.
 
Var an tbol stack great together never stacked tbol with dzine but don't think you'd need tbol if you ran dzine an trest
 
Id recommend stacking your tbol w/ test if you're up to it. At least some 4ad/1ad with it. There are tons of 4ad popping up recently
 
He doesn't have test. Not sure why people can't read then try to give their 2 cents
He has oral trestolone
Test an trest are two different compounds

Trestolone is not a "test base" feenjuice

There is no real need for an additional aromatizing compound when running trestolone it already aromatizes into the potent methyl estrogen
 
jbryand101b said:
He doesn't have test. Not sure why people can't read then try to give their 2 cents
He has oral trestolone
Test an trest are two different compounds

Trestolone is not a "test base" feenjuice

There is no real need for an additional aromatizing compound when running trestolone it already aromatizes into the potent methyl estrogen
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Where did he say he doesnt have test? I knw he has trest... And yes trestolone can battle lethargy and loss of libido on cycle so I would consider it as a great test base. We know it's not testosterone but it's pretty darn close.
 
I'm just telling the dude run some kind of test base for tbol. Honestly the small amount of testosterone you'll get from 4ad will work synergistically with tbol. Look up how tbol binds to shbg.
 
Thanks for the replies guys. The whole reason i was thinking var/tbol was as a less toxic, more mass than dmz/trest cycle. Im thinking of stepping up to some real oral compounds (sd, dbol maybe) and was looking for that "in-between."

If var/tbol wont give me more mass than dmz and trest its out. Im not buying more compounds for less results. I never considered running test with tbol as im not looking to pin, yet, and had seen a few logs/cycle suggestions without. Never much looked into 4ad either.

So i guess the question is what oral steroid is better than dmz/trest for lean mass gains? Id go right to dbol but its too wet (stack with var to keep it dry? ) and i feel like the mass from that one is way too obvious and i dont need people questioning
 
goodvibes said:
Where did he say he doesnt have test? I knw he has trest... And yes trestolone can battle lethargy and loss of libido on cycle so I would consider it as a great test base. We know it's not testosterone but it's pretty darn close.
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A number of compounds can battle loss of libido and lethargy on cycle.
 
Jared.P said:
Thanks for the replies guys. The whole reason i was thinking var/tbol was as a less toxic, more mass than dmz/trest cycle. Im thinking of stepping up to some real oral compounds (sd, dbol maybe) and was looking for that "in-between."

If var/tbol wont give me more mass than dmz and trest its out. Im not buying more compounds for less results. I never considered running test with tbol as im not looking to pin, yet, and had seen a few logs/cycle suggestions without. Never much looked into 4ad either.

So i guess the question is what oral steroid is better than dmz/trest for lean mass gains? Id go right to dbol but its too wet (stack with var to keep it dry? ) and i feel like the mass from that one is way too obvious and i dont need people questioning
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Dmz an trestolone will give the most mass
Dzine stacks well with 19nor androgens

Var+tbol is more of a cut stack
 
jbryand101b said:
Dmz an trestolone will give the most mass
Dzine stacks well with 19nor androgens

Var+tbol is more of a cut stack
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Ok cool. Is it true i could still add 10-15lbs with just tbol? I like the less toxic, amd it seems better for my less experience than dmz/trest right now
 
jbryand101b said:
He doesn't have test. Not sure why people can't read then try to give their 2 cents
He has oral trestolone
Test an trest are two different compounds

Trestolone is not a "test base" feenjuice

There is no real need for an additional aromatizing compound when running trestolone it already aromatizes into the potent methyl estrogen
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I can read just fine. I never said he had test, so maybe you couldn't read my post. You've never heard of anyone use trest or ment as a test base to combat lethargy etc? Dmz and tbol are pretty harsh. Made me feel like death. And trest is a feel good compound. And as far as adding " another " aromatizing compound, dmz and tbol don't aromatize, so it would only be the trest to my knowledge. So are you okay bro? You sound kinda whiny like you have some methyl estrogen in your system. And I have every right to add my 2 cents. I've been a member of this board for 4 years and rarely ever post anything because of guys like you that call people out for online arguments about nothing.��
 
feenjuice said:
I can read just fine. I never said he had test, so maybe you couldn't read my post. You've never heard of anyone use trest or ment as a test base to combat lethargy etc? Dmz and tbol are pretty harsh. Made me feel like death. And trest is a feel good compound. And as far as adding " another " aromatizing compound, dmz and tbol don't aromatize, so it would only be the trest to my knowledge. So are you okay bro? You sound kinda whiny like you have some methyl estrogen in your system. And I have every right to add my 2 cents. I've been a member of this board for 4 years and rarely ever post anything because of guys like you that call people out for online arguments about nothing.í*½í¸„
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The only thing that acts as a test base is test, or a pro hormone to it.
People need to learn the difference

Trest is being researched as replacement for testosterone d/t its in ability to 5a reduce while helping the user to feel close to normal, but it just doesn't work as good as test, because we don't produce 7a methyl nor testosterone an the body knows this.

One could use dbol, stano, dhea, 4dhea, masterone, trestolone and a number of other compounds to fight lethargy an libido test. Nothing boost my libido an makes me feel awesome like trenbolone but I'm not going to use it as a test base.
That's all I'm saying
 
feenjuice said:
I can read just fine. I never said he had test, so maybe you couldn't read my post. You've never heard of anyone use trest or ment as a test base to combat lethargy etc? Dmz and tbol are pretty harsh. Made me feel like death. And trest is a feel good compound. And as far as adding " another " aromatizing compound, dmz and tbol don't aromatize, so it would only be the trest to my knowledge. So are you okay bro? You sound kinda whiny like you have some methyl estrogen in your system. And I have every right to add my 2 cents. I've been a member of this board for 4 years and rarely ever post anything because of guys like you that call people out for online arguments about nothing.?
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I knw, he tells us to read and he's the one not reading. Lol
 
I plan on running dmz with trest in an up and coming cycle similar to what you listed above. I was also wondering how harsh it will be. I have ran trest as a test base and I feel it definitely helped with brain fog, mood, and libido from the other compounds I have ran it with. I can deal with most of the sides but when brain fog kicks in I feel retarded. haha
 
warrior737 said:
I plan on running dmz with trest in an up and coming cycle similar to what you listed above. I was also wondering how harsh it will be. I have ran trest as a test base and I feel it definitely helped with brain fog, mood, and libido from the other compounds I have ran it with. I can deal with most of the sides but when brain fog kicks in I feel retarded. haha
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Its pretty harsh, have supports handy. Im expecting 15lbs or more with high cals and dmz at 60
 
Anavar sucks IMO. Way rather run another compound.
 
I knw how dmz/trest combo feels like but how are the gains on tbol? Tbol stack with trest for example, anybody tried that? 8 week cycle on a 500-1k surplus
 
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