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DMZ or Superdrol?

4 weeks, SD.

Pro: more powerful, builds muscle faster
Con: Has a tendency to make you feel like garbage. User dependent.
 
My biggest concern not being on TRT is if I was to run at 10mg a day for 3 weeks with proper cycle support, test base, etc should I be worried about liver damage?
 
Borashi said:
My biggest concern not being on TRT is if I was to run at 10mg a day for 3 weeks with proper cycle support, test base, etc should I be worried about liver damage?
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No. Unless your liver is already compromised somehow. It's not as toxic as the horror stories would have you believe. The guys who have had liver transplants were making unwise choices beyond the scope of a simple DS run.
 
Okay. Appreciate the feedback. I'm not going to abuse SD. 10mgs for 3 weeks is all I want to do with 700 mg tudca, 2000 mg nac, and amiricarepro for cycle support.
 
I'm still itching to try 10/10 SD/M1T. Though likely I'll have to settle for something else. I'm still just a bit chicken. I too have made unwise choices beyond the scope of a simple DS run. (DXM)

So DMZ and Msten would be the next best thing, or SD/Msten or DMZ/M1T. Problem is DMZ is so much weaker than Superdrol it's almost not even that cool of a drug. 60mg DMZ = 20mg SD much like 60mg M1AD = 20mg M1T from what I hear/understand. And still theyre weaker. So not even equal. Msten and m1T or SD can go mg for mg in strength. It's just m1T is a pure bulk drug and SD and sten are closer to cutters. Really really hardening cutters that will puff up your muscles with water.

I changed my mind, you should try m1T. If you can get SD you can get m1T, they're both equally illegal. Equally toxic, as is Msten. Like I said before the toxicity is overrated.
 
I just want to know what to expect. Predator Nutrition has good articles on optimizing pro hormones. I've read those, I'm concerned about getting in 400 g of protein daily for a bulk.
 
400g a day protein is overkill unless you are 400lbs 10%BF and abusing insulin
 
Borashi said:
I just want to know what to expect. Predator Nutrition has good articles on optimizing pro hormones. I've read those, I'm concerned about getting in 400 g of protein daily for a bulk.
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That's when you start either buying those giant bags of chicken quarters and 10lb chubs of ground beef from Walmart and eating roughly a kilo of meat or pounding down at least four double scoop shakes of dymatize each with 16oz whole milk a day and getting at least one pound of meat in. Plus carbs. Bulking up takes some real eating, even with shakes and all that good sh1t. I don't consider McDonald's "dirty bulking" if you're getting double quarter pounders and no fries, but soda, pop tarts and ice cream, that's dirty. Just my opinion.
 
Old Witch said:
I respectfully disagree. I think for many of us, to gain muscle mass takes 2g per lb of current body weight. Plus carbs and fats.
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Maybe 2gm per lb of lean mass? 400gm is a fukin lot. I could see it maybe if cutting/deficit but with plenty of carbs there is less demand on gross PRO intake.
 
Nac said:
Maybe 2gm per lb of lean mass? 400gm is a fukin lot. I could see it maybe if cutting/deficit but with plenty of carbs there is less demand on gross PRO intake.
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And we're also talking about trying to gain weight as fast as possible, with as little fat as possible. You don't **** less whenever you take steroids, and the more you eat, the more waste is produced/less nutrients are absorbed per ounce of intake.... I'm still quite sure for myself and at oeast several others it takes a considerable caloric surplus, with a majority of or equal calories from protein vs carbs.
 
Old Witch said:
I respectfully disagree. I think for many of us, to gain muscle mass takes 2g per lb of current body weight. Plus carbs and fats.
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And that is problem with 90% guys, you don t need to feed fat with protein, 2gr per lb of muscle mass, not total weight. High protein diet will definitely raise urea to the roof and kidneys will be also in problem if you eat huge amounts of protein long period. My first neighbour is specialist for kidneys and he told me that he know many guys who made big damage to kidneys on huge protein diets. IMO for 190-200 lb guy 220-250 gr of protein daily is g2g (on cycle).
 
MarkoK87 said:
And that is problem with 90% guys, you don t need to feed fat with protein, 2gr per lb of muscle mass, not total weight. High protein diet will definitely raise urea to the roof and kidneys will be also in problem if you eat huge amounts of protein long period. My first neighbour is specialist for kidneys and he told me that he know many guys who made big damage to kidneys on huge protein diets. IMO for 190-200 lb guy 220-250 gr of protein daily is g2g (on cycle).
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I'm with you. 2g per body weight is fn ridiculous. I'm 160 and maybe eat 120-160.
 
mikeymike85 said:
Not to sound like a douche, but if you have to do that... you have shiitty fn genetics.
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On the contrary it means I can eat a ton or starve and my body holds its weight just fine. In nature this would be a positive attribute. In bodybuilding it's the worst possible scenario.

I also keep my results better than most because of this with little or no pct depending on the compounds and length
 
I don't believe in genetics, to me it all comes down to hard work dedication discipline. To have ****ty genetics but still build a great body? Now that's impressive.
 
Borashi said:
I don't believe in genetics, to me it all comes down to hard work dedication discipline. To have ****ty genetics but still build a great body? Now that's impressive.
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Genetics most definitely plays a part in what type of body you can build, and the speed and ease which you can do it.
 
Yeah, no amount of gear and hard training will get a guy with below average genetics onto an Olympia stage.

But I do agree, if I had to choose, Id rather listen to the training and nutrition advice of someone with crappy genes who has still made impressive gainz, than the guy with the Gift who coasts along for the most part.
 
True. But look at Ronnie Coleman. In the King the dude said he went from like 240s-250s to 290s. Like massive amount of gains, if I could even have a tenth of that genetic potential, I'd be ballin. Of course I had ectomorph body so I take in a **** ton of calories and still am a hard gainer, even on Sarms, that is why I want to run roids next to see if real gear will help pack on more muscle.
 
Borashi said:
True. But look at Ronnie Coleman. In the King the dude said he went from like 240s-250s to 290s. Like massive amount of gains, if I could even have a tenth of that genetic potential, I'd be ballin. Of course I had ectomorph body so I take in a **** ton of calories and still am a hard gainer, even on Sarms, that is why I want to run roids next to see if real gear will help pack on more muscle.
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I'm telling you, food is the most anabolic substance. It all comes down to how much you eat. I personally have to eat a massive surplus of calories and protein to gain weight quickly. A light surplus I will gain slowly over time. Ain't nobody got time for that. If you're not gaining on real gear (at a real dose) then you simply are not eating enough, if you gain fat then you aren't training hard enough. That's how I see it.
 
Well I know I'm training hard enough, I lift around 2 hrs 20 mins, 4x a week for upper, and then I do 2 days for lower, abs. So I have one off day, and it seems to work. Since lifting in June, I put on about 18-19 lbs. Those could be considered muscle memory, noob gains, but that ain't enough for me. I want to hit my goal of 190 and even if that 5 lbs seems easy, I'm learning its not, I changed my rep scheme up about 3 weeks ago, and now I'm doing a lot of reps, like 1000 reps per lifting session to try to induce more hypertrophy. I feel its working, got a compliment on Monday that I was looking big. So we shall see...
 
1 gram of protein per pound of lean body mass. You have these dudes who are taking test, trestolone,designer methyl oral steroids and they have a lean body mass of less than 170 lbs. I know high school seniors with more lean body mass that never took anything. If you don't no how to train what's the point of all the drugs & food?
 
dvw said:
1 gram of protein per pound of lean body mass. You have these dudes who are taking test, trestolone,designer methyl oral steroids and they have a lean body mass of less than 170 lbs. I know high school seniors with more lean body mass that never took anything. If you don't no how to train what's the point of all the drugs & food?
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What is your point exactly? I take in around 200g of protein a day, I train very hard, eat extremely clean, and have gained around 19lbs since I started lifting again in June.
 
My point; you should not have to comsume 400 grams of protein a day and 3 or 4 drugs to make gainz.
 
dvw said:
1 gram of protein per pound of lean body mass. You have these dudes who are taking test, trestolone,designer methyl oral steroids and they have a lean body mass of less than 170 lbs. I know high school seniors with more lean body mass that never took anything. If you don't no how to train what's the point of all the drugs & food?
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High school seniors also have good joints and better hormones right off the bat...

1500 calories surplus, if that is what it takes a particular person to gain weight, where should that come from? Carbs and fat? I hope not. It needs to be mostly protein. So if maintenance is around 2500, then to gain will be 4000, and to get that with a majority of it coming from protein will take 400g easily.
 
Borashi said:
I just want to know what to expect. Predator Nutrition has good articles on optimizing pro hormones. I've read those, I'm concerned about getting in 400 g of protein daily for a bulk.
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Honestly bro, I'd rather read the threads on this site, than articles on PN.
I didn't get in 400gms of protein when I took SD, and my body was very different afterwards, and a Lot bigger.
 
Borashi said:
I've heard with SD, it's more about high carb intake? Also how much of the SD gains did you keep after PCT?
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SD is very "carb hungry". But it is also very hungry in general. It is the strongest Anabolic steroid that I've taken, so it consumes a lot of calories. I would personally try to keep a more anabolically balanced diet.... High protein, plenty of fat, and a good amount of complex carbs. Some people believe that SOME of the notorious SD lethargy can come from not having enough carbs to keep up with the glycogen load. Just remember that because it likes carbs, that doesn't keep you from the effects of a bad diet.

It's been a while since I've run SD. I think i gained 15-18 pounds, and kept half (??). But, that's also kind of subjective, since we cycle, and cut, and bulk.
But I definitely kept a lot of quality muscle that I gained. My before and after pics looked crazy.......and even years later, people commented on certain muscle groups that I attribute in large part to gains made on SD.

But it really is one of the harshest steroids ever made. Some people just CAN'T handle the sides, including extreme lethargy, loss of appetite (even nausea), organ stress, etc.
If you decide to run it, take your time planning it out. And I'd go low (10mg). That's a low mg.... But that's a LOT of steroid right there.

LOL...
And if this post wasn't rambling enough for you...I'm sure I can come up with one even worse.
 
Well I'm just looking for insight as I want to be safe as possible. Do you recommend being on TRT prior to running SD? I have 10 mg capsules. My plan would be 10 mg for 3 weeks. Trying to bust thru my current weight plateau of 185. Been stuck at this weight for 8 weeks. My goal is to hit 190.
 
Borashi said:
Well I'm just looking for insight as I want to be safe as possible. Do you recommend being on TRT prior to running SD? I have 10 mg capsules. My plan would be 10 mg for 3 weeks. Trying to bust thru my current weight plateau of 185. Been stuck at this weight for 8 weeks. My goal is to hit 190.
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8 weeks is not a long time to be at one weight.
I probably missed it.... How long have you been lifting? What's your age?

Can you clarify your TRT question please? Does that mean you are planning on going on TRT?
 
I'm taking 15 mg a day lgd, 900 mg a day epiandrosterone. I'm currently eating 210 g protein a day. Give or take 10g. At a starting weight of 231 lbs, I'm now on day 28 and up 4 lbs. My calorie increase is only 500 to 600 cals.
 
If you take superdrol up your carbs! SD is carb hungry! I'd go as far as to add 100 g of carbs a day to your maintenance
 
Renew1 said:
SD is very "carb hungry". But it is also very hungry in general. It is the strongest Anabolic steroid that I've taken, so it consumes a lot of calories. I would personally try to keep a more anabolically balanced diet.... High protein, plenty of fat, and a good amount of complex carbs. Some people believe that SOME of the notorious SD lethargy can come from not having enough carbs to keep up with the glycogen load. Just remember that because it likes carbs, that doesn't keep you from the effects of a bad diet.

It's been a while since I've run SD. I think i gained 15-18 pounds, and kept half (??). But, that's also kind of subjective, since we cycle, and cut, and bulk.
But I definitely kept a lot of quality muscle that I gained. My before and after pics looked crazy.......and even years later, people commented on certain muscle groups that I attribute in large part to gains made on SD.

But it really is one of the harshest steroids ever made. Some people just CAN'T handle the sides, including extreme lethargy, loss of appetite (even nausea), organ stress, etc.
If you decide to run it, take your time planning it out. And I'd go low (10mg). That's a low mg.... But that's a LOT of steroid right there.

LOL...
And if this post wasn't rambling enough for you...I'm sure I can come up with one even worse.
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I definitely get nausea after 3 weeks of superdrol.
 
I've been lifting since my teens. I took a long break after dealing with addiction issues. Ran an 8 week sarm cycle back in July to regain my strength, power. Currently running LGD Yk11 epiandro, consuming 3200-3400 calories, high protein high fat diet.
 
I train hard, lift heavy, recently switched to higher rep scheme to induce hypertrophy. Well see where I'm at in January.
 
M1t has peaked my interest as well as DMZ, if I had to pick I'd say m1t as it's an impressive bulker from what I've read. Still I would probably go with anadrol or tbol as they are just as illegal.
 
Well I have Geozine DMZ on hand as well as Superdrol, really I just want to bust thru this weight plateau!!!
 
Borashi said:
I've been lifting since my teens. I took a long break after dealing with addiction issues. Ran an 8 week sarm cycle back in July to regain my strength, power. Currently running LGD Yk11 epiandro, consuming 3200-3400 calories, high protein high fat diet.
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What dose of yk11?
 
Whiteboyblue said:
M1t has peaked my interest as well as DMZ, if I had to pick I'd say m1t as it's an impressive bulker from what I've read. Still I would probably go with anadrol or tbol as they are just as illegal.
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So while you have full access to a Formula 1 you'd rather take the Relient?
 
Borashi said:
Well I know I'm training hard enough, I lift around 2 hrs 20 mins, 4x a week for upper, and then I do 2 days for lower, abs. So I have one off day, and it seems to work. Since lifting in June, I put on about 18-19 lbs. Those could be considered muscle memory, noob gains, but that ain't enough for me. I want to hit my goal of 190 and even if that 5 lbs seems easy, I'm learning its not, I changed my rep scheme up about 3 weeks ago, and now I'm doing a lot of reps, like 1000 reps per lifting session to try to induce more hypertrophy. I feel its working, got a compliment on Monday that I was looking big. So we shall see...
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Is 2 hours and 20 mins supposed to make it better than 45 mins? I see a ton of chodes that are in the gym for long periods of time, and I'm pretty sure I outwork them in the 35 minutes I'm there for. Nobody needs to workout for 2 hours and 20 minutes.
 
Judge me if you want but it wasn't until I started lifting for hours till real gains were made. I'm up 18lbs in 6 months. I must be doing something right? When I lifted for 45 mins, 4 days a week, 3 years ago, I couldn't break thru 170. Now I'm 185. Lifting doesn't affect everyone the same, but keep questioning my work ethic, I'd smoke most anyone in the gym.
 
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