Dmz and the boys

M.I.D said:
Would Tr3st be worthless as it supresses Test??
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Definitely not. Exogenous testosterone suppresses natural testosterone production as well.TR3ST (or DermaTREST) is the best legal alternative out there. Neither trestolone or testosterone actually keeps balls working but at least it keeps your libido up and able to get it up :)
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Definitely not. Exogenous testosterone suppresses natural testosterone production as well.TR3ST (or DermaTREST) is the best legal alternative out there. Neither trestolone or testosterone actually keeps balls working but at least it keeps your libido up and able to get it up :)
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a lot of people take it during a cycle while others use it as a pct boost what do you recommend
 
Ur only option to keep the boys working is either HCG or a combination of antioxidants that target the testes.

Btw, its oxidative stress that causes the testicles to become "shutdown".

Good antioxidants that target the nuts:

-NAC
-Tocopherols (like Toco-8)
-L-Carnitine

Combine those with 250iu of HCG twice weekly to avoid shutdown. You'll be fine afterwards but you'll also need an AI possibly since ur natural T levels will cause a higher rate of conversion to estrogen.
 
Guys, you have no idea of what you're doing. There is no need for HCG with short oral only cycles.And HCG should not be used post cycle.
 
You guys are confused...

Hcg can be used during or post cycle. One protocol minimizes shutdown, the other reverses it.

Typically, most new age bodybuilders use hcg during cycle while the old schoolers tend to blast with it during PCT, however, they also tend to have a two week clearing period for the esters so hcg is a good option then, just before PCT SERMs are started.

All of u do more research. I'm not spoon feedin' ur lazy butts.

Any steroid is gonna suppress natural T and testes to some degree. Some more than others which is usually dose dependent and length of cycle dependent too. U cant get around it. U asked a question, which was how to avoid it, and I gave an answer. Hcg and antioxidants will minimize this to some degree.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Guys, you have no idea of what you're doing. There is no need for HCG with short oral only cycles.And HCG should not be used post cycle.
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I'm just running n2 guard with a liver support for little extra protection, a multi vitiman then when the cycles done my pct
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Guys, you have no idea of what you're doing. There is no need for HCG with short oral only cycles.And HCG should not be used post cycle.
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Yeah and I was taking Arimicare pro thruout my whole cycle and PCT with SERM and bulg trib .w/OSTA . Just wanted to make sure
 
I'm on day 10 DMZ and ar1macare and it hasn't shut down yet. Still can get it up but does seem to take longer. The worst part is actually seems I'm way less sensitive so nothing feels as good as normal
 
bchap05 said:
I'm on day 10 DMZ and ar1macare and it hasn't shut down yet. Still can get it up but does seem to take longer. The worst part is actually seems I'm way less sensitive so nothing feels as good as normal
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sounds good to me can you give me a update in another 10 days! Thanks man
 
bchap05 said:
I'm on day 10 DMZ and ar1macare and it hasn't shut down yet. Still can get it up but does seem to take longer. The worst part is actually seems I'm way less sensitive so nothing feels as good as normal
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thanks man I'll check it out do you think you can give me another update in 10 days?!
 
Yeah will do. I haven't been logging it but have been jumping back in with updates on other threads on DMZ so I'll update on here too. Boys have been sore so I know something is definitely going on down there. Especially the first few days although today I noticed it again this morning after taking my 1st pill.
 
I wish I would have started earlier in the year. I wanted to cut being summer but then decided I didn't want to waste the DMZ not getting bigger so I bumped back up to 3k cals with 200+ protein and >100g fat. I've went from 195 to 199-201 range so far.
 
bchap05 said:
I wish I would have started earlier in the year. I wanted to cut being summer but then decided I didn't want to waste the DMZ not getting bigger so I bumped back up to 3k cals with 200+ protein and >100g fat. I've went from 195 to 199-201 range so far.
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good job man! Keep working hard, I gained weight later in my cycle so just be patient keep me updated.
 
fueledpassion said:
You guys are confused...

Hcg can be used during or post cycle. One protocol minimizes shutdown, the other reverses it.

Typically, most new age bodybuilders use hcg during cycle while the old schoolers tend to blast with it during PCT, however, they also tend to have a two week clearing period for the esters so hcg is a good option then, just before PCT SERMs are started.

All of u do more research. I'm not spoon feedin' ur lazy butts.

Any steroid is gonna suppress natural T and testes to some degree. Some more than others which is usually dose dependent and length of cycle dependent too. U cant get around it. U asked a question, which was how to avoid it, and I gave an answer. Hcg and antioxidants will minimize this to some degree.
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Never mind, he spoiled my fun.
 
jbryand101b said:
Why not?
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Of course it can be used post cycle and guys used to do it in the past, but big single shots may do bad for leydig cells. I'd run low dose of HCG throughout the cycle or for 2ish months before PCT and then run your regular PCT protocol after that.That's what I've done and that has always worked well for me, even after being on for 7 months.
 
Day 19 I believe. Sex drive is ridiculous right now. Probably twice normal, can't leave the gf alone its like being on Viagra all the time.
 
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