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DMHA with caffeine?

ugsavage

ugsavage

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I have recently gotten back into the stim world and purchased some Adderex XR from Hi tech. The thing that I like about this formula is that there is no additional caffeine and also no additional caffeine is recommended. That being said Hi tech is a very sketch company and I have been keeping my dosage to one pill a day and then I'll drink about 70 mg of caffeine on top of that. Is that overkill? I see these crazy pre workouts all the time with DMHA and literally 350 mg of caffeine, plus yohimbine. To me that is just absolutely insane.

I remember the original jacked 3D had DMAA with caffeine but I can't remember how much caffeine was in there. I believe it was a proprietary blend. Has anyone tried these new DMHA pre workouts with any success?
 
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DMHA and caffeine is a great combination. It’s probably my favorite combination considering all things. DMAA can play hell on my sleep and DMHA doesn’t.

Crack OG has 150mg DMHA and about 300mg caffeine from all sources per scoop. Two scoops is “full dose”. One scoop is good, clean, long lasting energy with focus and euphoria. Two scoops is about as close to the original Jack3d as I’ve found in a DMHA product.

TLDR: Caffeine and DMHA is a good combo for occasional usage. 70mg on top of the adderex shouldn’t be overkill.
 
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DMHA and caffeine is a great combination. It’s probably my favorite combination considering all things. DMAA can play hell on my sleep and DMHA doesn’t.

Crack OG has 150mg DMHA and about 300mg caffeine from all sources per scoop. Two scoops is “full dose”. One scoop is good, clean, long lasting energy with focus and euphoria. Two scoops is about as close to the original Jack3d as I’ve found in a DMHA product.

TLDR: Caffeine and DMHA is a good combo for occasional usage. 70mg on top of the adderex shouldn’t be overkill.
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I would have to agree with the DMHA not effecting my sleep. I also experience no crash as compared to DMAA. Although the original jacked 3d seemed to be more flexible with the dosage per serving. These newer PWO are pretty ballsy when it comes to the caffeine. I think the original jacked 3D was a bit more moderate. With three scoops being the max recommendation. I believe around 100 mg of caffeine per serving. Also the interaction between DMAA and DMHA to caffeine seems different to me.

Crack OG has yohimbe, which is an ingredient I usually avoid. I really would like to try Crack Diamond though and Mesomorph as well
 
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Shadowblaze said:
Yeah 900mg is absurdly high
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I don't think I would be able to sleep if I took in that much caffeine. I'm probably at 400mg a day. 2 cups or coffee in the morning and then pre workout has ~ 200mg
 
ugsavage said:
Lol I think it's possible he is trolling us
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who knows lol, maybe you could use a dose that high if you dont respond strongly to stimulants and have a crazy tolerance to caffeine. Thats about 9 cups of coffee a day, pretty crazy but I suppose possible.
 
ugsavage said:
I have recently gotten back into the stim world and purchased some Adderex XR from Hi tech. The thing that I like about this formula is that there is no additional caffeine and also no additional caffeine is recommended. That being said Hi tech is a very sketch company and I have been keeping my dosage to one pill a day and then I'll drink about 70 mg of caffeine on top of that. Is that overkill? I see these crazy pre workouts all the time with DMHA and literally 350 mg of caffeine, plus yohimbine. To me that is just absolutely insane.

I remember the original jacked 3D had DMAA with caffeine but I can't remember how much caffeine was in there. I believe it was a proprietary blend. Has anyone tried these new DMHA pre workouts with any success?
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I would double check the label, carefully. The newer versions do have added caffeine labeled as “methyl theobromine”, and I’ve also seen Hi Tech products label it as “Black Tea extract”, etc.
 
Shadowblaze said:
who knows lol, maybe you could use a dose that high if you dont respond strongly to stimulants and have a crazy tolerance to caffeine. Thats about 9 cups of coffee a day, pretty crazy but I suppose possible.
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I've heard Andrew Huberman say he intakes about 600-800mg of caffeine each day so you never know!
 
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I would double check the label, carefully. The newer versions do have added caffeine labeled as “methyl theobromine”, and I’ve also seen Hi Tech products label it as “Black Tea extract”, etc.
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Thank you for bringing this to my attention. The label indeed has "methyl theobromine" in addition to theobromine. Although of course, it's in a property blend.

It also contains "a-phenylethylamine HCI" which could just be regular PEA or did they create an alpha version in a lab to make a superior form of PEA? Also did they add a methyl group to theobromine or just add caffeine to this product and call it methyl theobromine?
 

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It's pretty easy these days to hit 600 mg caffeine. A lot of PWOs have 400mg. Then you have a second hit of caffeine with an energy drink or big/strong coffee. On the weekends, this is what I do. I lift in the morning. Then I have another hit around 1pm. Unfortunately I never feel that second hit very much at my tolerance. With house chores, 2 kids, and a busy family schedule ie LIFE, it's more of a just don't feel tired feeling 😛.
 
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It's pretty easy these days to hit 600 mg caffeine. A lot of PWOs have 400mg. Then you have a second hit of caffeine with an energy drink or big/strong coffee. On the weekends, this is what I do. I lift in the morning. Then I have another hit around 1pm. Unfortunately I never feel that second hit very much at my tolerance. With house chores, 2 kids, and a busy family schedule ie LIFE, it's more of a just don't feel tired feeling 😛.
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I feel like it can be justified for people with excessively busy lifestyles. I find myself working 60 hours a week sometimes and currently only drink around 250 mg of caffeine. But then again I don't have kids or any other outside responsibility.

The days I take DMHA I only drink a small energy drink with 70 mg of caffeine. Also has some B vitamins as well
 
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The best dmaa product I've tried was one from Europe btw. Core labs dhma power 200mg. Gave me an insane high. I don't have this bottle in front of me anymore but I looked inside one of their capsules and it was filled with a brown paste - not the normal fine powder which I've found in several of the DMAA products I've tried over the years. DMAA powder is white and very bitter in taste but this was a dark brown paste that tasted so so sweet. And I would cut the paste into half just like a tablet lol (soft paste). Makes me beleive it wasn't somehow real dmha but brown amphetamine :)

I shall reorder this bottle within a month or so and I'll report back if it's still the same. Anybody from the UK might also have ordered this bottle recently (from cross the limits site maybe? And can confirm what I'm talking about?)

About the caffeine part - try it with ephedrine. 15-30mg. takes you to a complete other dimension.
caffeine from cofee doesn't give you anything. if you drink cofee every morning - then you're pretty immune to it already. If you want to feel helms deep heartbeat, then throw in some rhodolia rosea lol - that **** is way stronger than cofee.
 
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vlsk10 said:
The best dmaa product I've tried was one from Europe btw. Core labs dhma power 200mg. Gave me an insane high. I don't have this bottle in front of me anymore but I looked inside one of their capsules and it was filled with a brown paste - not the normal fine powder which I've found in several of the DMAA products I've tried over the years. DMAA powder is white and very bitter in taste but this was a dark brown paste that tasted so so sweet. And I would cut the paste into half just like a tablet lol (soft paste). Makes me beleive it wasn't somehow real dmha but brown amphetamine :)

I shall reorder this bottle within a month or so and I'll report back if it's still the same. Anybody from the UK might also have ordered this bottle recently (from cross the limits site maybe? And can confirm what I'm talking about?)

About the caffeine part - try it with ephedrine. 15-30mg. takes you to a complete other dimension.
caffeine from cofee doesn't give you anything. if you drink cofee every morning - then you're pretty immune to it already. If you want to feel helms deep heartbeat, then throw in some rhodolia rosea lol - that **** is way stronger than cofee.
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I take it your from the UK? I took a quick look at that site cross the limits and I could probably spend hours looking at all those products. I always find it interesting seeing all the supplements that are still legal in the UK.

Now that you mention it the pills I have from Hi Tech also contain a brown paste. It makes me think something in the formula was turning a normal powder into this color/ texture. However the product is clearly DMHA. I just think they may have modified it in a lab to make the effects stronger/ different. I have tried other products from Hi Tech and honestly they have all been legit. The only thing I am still unsure of is if this product contains caffeine.. but I'm leaning towards it does not.

And unfortunately ephedra was banned many moons ago here in US. I remember taking the OG stacker 3's but that was 20 years ago 😅
 
ugsavage said:
I would have to agree with the DMHA not effecting my sleep. I also experience no crash as compared to DMAA. Although the original jacked 3d seemed to be more flexible with the dosage per serving. These newer PWO are pretty ballsy when it comes to the caffeine. I think the original jacked 3D was a bit more moderate. With three scoops being the max recommendation. I believe around 100 mg of caffeine per serving. Also the interaction between DMAA and DMHA to caffeine seems different to me.

Crack OG has yohimbe, which is an ingredient I usually avoid. I really would like to try Crack Diamond though and Mesomorph as well
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Luckily Yohimbe is okay for me in small doses and Crack OG doesn’t cause me any issues. Psycho Pharma “Edge of Insanity” really messed me up though with one scoop having 9mg of HCL and Alpha combined.

I may still have a partial tub of OG Jack3d and i definitely agree it’s a lot more moderate on caffeine. DMAA and and low dose of caffeine seems to hit harder and feel better for me than with a high dose of caffeine. I like having more caffeine with DMHA or Eria Jarensis.

600mg of Caffeine a day used to be the norm for me with 800-900mg days being occasional. Nights/graveyard shift or working in a fast paced bartending environment late at night can really help build you a tolerance to stims. I typically aim for around 300mg these days with 600 being a higher day.

Isn’t Bronkaid still available with Ephedrine Sulfate?
 
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Luckily Yohimbe is okay for me in small doses and Crack OG doesn’t cause me any issues. Psycho Pharma “Edge of Insanity” really messed me up though with one scoop having 9mg of HCL and Alpha combined.

I may still have a partial tub of OG Jack3d and i definitely agree it’s a lot more moderate on caffeine. DMAA and and low dose of caffeine seems to hit harder and feel better for me than with a high dose of caffeine. I like having more caffeine with DMHA or Eria Jarensis.

600mg of Caffeine a day used to be the norm for me with 800-900mg days being occasional. Nights/graveyard shift or working in a fast paced bartending environment late at night can really help build you a tolerance to stims. I typically aim for around 300mg these days with 600 being a higher day.

Isn’t Bronkaid still available with Ephedrine Sulfate?
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Yeah ephedrine is available everywhere in the US just can't buy huge amounts... ephedrine with dmha and paraxanthine make for a very intense 6 hours 😳
 
ugsavage said:
I take it your from the UK? I took a quick look at that site cross the limits and I could probably spend hours looking at all those products. I always find it interesting seeing all the supplements that are still legal in the UK.

Now that you mention it the pills I have from Hi Tech also contain a brown paste. It makes me think something in the formula was turning a normal powder into this color/ texture. However the product is clearly DMHA. I just think they may have modified it in a lab to make the effects stronger/ different. I have tried other products from Hi Tech and honestly they have all been legit. The only thing I am still unsure of is if this product contains caffeine.. but I'm leaning towards it does not.

And unfortunately ephedra was banned many moons ago here in US. I remember taking the OG stacker 3's but that was 20 years ago 😅
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Really? I thought you could get it anywhere. No, just the Europen union. Just wanna make it clear that DMAA/DHMA/Yohimbine and ephedrine are compounds that customs will seize even in my country - but the chance is low if parcel is coming from within the EU (EU is a customs union so customs control don't normally apply between an EU sender and an EU receiver). However, they still do checks sometimes when they belieive it's ilicit drugs. So the 1st time I tried core labs DHMA was maybe 3 years ago now. It's been out of stock for a long time. Check reddit forum and this brand was praised.

They restocked it on supplements4muscle just a couple of days ago so I'll test it again. See if it's still brown sugar lol. Core labs is US made btw. I also get my ephedrine from supplements4muscle. Zion Labs T5 - ECA stack. I find them not too strong. Half a capsule actually just enhances 50mg of dmaa and 1 capsule gives a cognitive boost I feel.
But yeah. People should be careful not playing too much with dmaa/dmha and other compounds because it could lead to death on a weak heart.
 
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Also something else about dmaa on the European market. It's not as strong as it used to be. Around 2019-2020 they had the real product. Then something happend after that. I remember 50mg being good. Now I need at least 100mg, else the dopamine/euphoria hit just never comes anymore. More fillers now maybe? And I also only take it one Friday every other week so it's not tolerance build up or anything like that. But this core labs DHMA product was different. Only 1 capsule needed. I'm afraid 2 would probably have killed me lol
 
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ugsavage said:
Interesting. I have probably gone as high as 600 mg comfortably back in my coffee drinking days
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I don't do it on the regular but definitely have been around 600 in day. It's actually easier to do than I thought 😅 High stim pre workout and many cups of coffee will get you there quick.
 
vlsk10 said:
Really? I thought you could get it anywhere. No, just the Europen union. Just wanna make it clear that DMAA/DHMA/Yohimbine and ephedrine are compounds that customs will seize even in my country - but the chance is low if parcel is coming from within the EU (EU is a customs union so customs control don't normally apply between an EU sender and an EU receiver). However, they still do checks sometimes when they belieive it's ilicit drugs. So the 1st time I tried core labs DHMA was maybe 3 years ago now. It's been out of stock for a long time. Check reddit forum and this brand was praised.

They restocked it on supplements4muscle just a couple of days ago so I'll test it again. See if it's still brown sugar lol. Core labs is US made btw. I also get my ephedrine from supplements4muscle. Zion Labs T5 - ECA stack. I find them not too strong. Half a capsule actually just enhances 50mg of dmaa and 1 capsule gives a cognitive boost I feel.
But yeah. People should be careful not playing too much with dmaa/dmha and other compounds because it could lead to death on a weak heart.
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I just tried to order from supplements4muscle and they won't ship here. Not that it would have made it through customs anyway! All this talk about DMAA I just ordered some to compare with DMHA

And I do agree. Everyone should stim responsibly
 
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Also something else about dmaa on the European market. It's not as strong as it used to be. Around 2019-2020 they had the real product. Then something happend after that. I remember 50mg being good. Now I need at least 100mg, else the dopamine/euphoria hit just never comes anymore. More fillers now maybe? And I also only take it one Friday every other week so it's not tolerance build up or anything like that. But this core labs DHMA product was different. Only 1 capsule needed. I'm afraid 2 would probably have killed me lol
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I'm going to start with 50 mg and see how that feels. I'd be curious to know how much was in the original Jacked 3d per serving
 
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I'm going to start with 50 mg and see how that feels. I'd be curious to know how much was in the original Jacked 3d per serving
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Good idea. I don't remember exactly how much was in the first PWO I tried either and it's like at least 10 years ago now. But I think at least a 100 of pure dmaa spiked with hordinine and all those crazy other stuff. I felt it for like a whole day and night. God rage by centurion labz is all I remember.

I ordered the core labs DHMA btw so I'll report back if it's powder or paste in these capsules. I picked between this and turkesterone. And the choice was stims because my dmaa bottle is running out anyway and turk.... Well. I don't trust Turks and it's still not proven to be anabolic 😄
 
vlsk10 said:
Good idea. I don't remember exactly how much was in the first PWO I tried either and it's like at least 10 years ago now. But I think at least a 100 of pure dmaa spiked with hordinine and all those crazy other stuff. I felt it for like a whole day and night. God rage by centurion labz is all I remember.

I ordered the core labs DHMA btw so I'll report back if it's powder or paste in these capsules. I picked between this and turkesterone. And the choice was stims because my dmaa bottle is running out anyway and turk.... Well. I don't trust Turks and it's still not proven to be anabolic 😄
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Nice bro. I will probably try 100 mg at some point and report back. I have a pretty high tolerance to stims in general although this DMAA will probably kick my ass from what I remember. Absolutely rampaging through the gym on Jacked 3D 😅

I don't trust turk products either. I have beta ecdysterone from Nootroopics Depot and that is probably, definitely the most legit on the market
 
ugsavage said:
Nice bro. I will probably try 100 mg at some point and report back. I have a pretty high tolerance to stims in general although this DMAA will probably kick my ass from what I remember. Absolutely rampaging through the gym on Jacked 3D 😅

I don't trust turk products either. I have beta ecdysterone from Nootroopics Depot and that is probably, definitely the most legit on the market
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Do you know how much pure DHMA is in the HTP product you bought btw? HTP always spikes with more ingredients to make everythign more potent and a little more addictive.

So my bottle came -the capsules are silver just like last time but now containg powder instead of brown paste lol. So I'm thinking they changed the formula or last time they actually spiked the product with real brown amphetamines or something because it was so good 👍

Both of my orders were 100% sealed with lid protection. So I'll test them out shortly. See if they're still the best dmha product out there on the EU -market (200mg DHMA per capsule btw). I still see some pwo's that have like 200mg DHMA + 100mg DMAA + 100mg DMBA or something and I'm like wtf - do we need this much stims? (you will just feel awful later). :)
 

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Nice. Thanks for the update. I'm pretty jealous considering many legit products like this will not ship to this US! Please let me know how this product works

As for the HTP product I took about half the bottle and tossed the rest. I was still getting mild euphoria and powerhouse energy from it however the side effects were starting to concern me. Unfortunately these HTP products are very sketch to begin with. I looked into several of their fat loss/ stim products and they all have similar propietary blends. I would much rather be taking a single ingredient DMAA or DMHA product from a legit source. I would also still like to try some of these PWO like Mesomorph.

I stopped taking the HTP product a few days ago and finally feeling back to normal 😅 I definitely would recommend against these products since they are all proprietary blends, and I want everyone to be healthy. Cheers mate
 
ugsavage said:
Nice. Thanks for the update. I'm pretty jealous considering many legit products like this will not ship to this US! Please let me know how this product works

As for the HTP product I took about half the bottle and tossed the rest. I was still getting mild euphoria and powerhouse energy from it however the side effects were starting to concern me. Unfortunately these HTP products are very sketch to begin with. I looked into several of their fat loss/ stim products and they all have similar propietary blends. I would much rather be taking a single ingredient DMAA or DMHA product from a legit source. I would also still like to try some of these PWO like Mesomorph.

I stopped taking the HTP product a few days ago and finally feeling back to normal 😅 I definitely would recommend against these products since they are all proprietary blends, and I want everyone to be healthy. Cheers mate
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Yeah I kinda understand the feeling. You feel great for about 2-3 hours (sometimes a little longer) and then your real dopamine is kinda tanked about 24 hrs later and you feel like all the happiness is gone and you have to take something else like phenibut to smooth things out with anxiety.

It was why I throwed my last core labs dhma in the bin with probably around 10 capules left 🙂 It was a wise choice at the time. I had really been abusing it with other stims. So now I only take it once every 2 weeks or so. I hope you find a better one that contains something that doesn't give you too many side effects
 
I highly recommend against any kind of powder. I threw a dmaa pre workout out bc it clumped very bad

As far as caffeine , most I've used was 500 mgs in 2012 ,getting ready for a competition, used 50 mgs ephedrine , a day 250 c and 25 e x2, it would cause my heart to pound way too hard

Everyone is different and too high stimulates cause anxiety in me, too high cortisol

Currently in prep and 200 mgs caffeine and 20 mgs ephedrine is enough currently, less than a month out, started two weeks ago. Less caffeine is better bc did 300-400 mgs and it was too much

Remember in prep cals are low , cardio output is higher, it takes time for the body to adapt, as far can only be burned so fast, going harder just equates to more muscle loss, cliche but until you learn and find tune this it's important

This year using glps, 1 mgs sema, 1--2 mgs tirz once weekly and it does seem to help

IF there's one podcast of Huberman you listen to, it's the one on cortisol somewhat recent. There's some much you can do to make cortisol work bettwr
 
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Yeah I kinda understand the feeling. You feel great for about 2-3 hours (sometimes a little longer) and then your real dopamine is kinda tanked about 24 hrs later and you feel like all the happiness is gone and you have to take something else like phenibut to smooth things out with anxiety.

It was why I throwed my last core labs dhma in the bin with probably around 10 capules left 🙂 It was a wise choice at the time. I had really been abusing it with other stims. So now I only take it once every 2 weeks or so. I hope you find a better one that contains something that doesn't give you too many side effects
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Yes the moderation is something I have trouble with. Also I feel the benefits of stimulants can build up over time. The longer you can keep it in your system without too many side effects, the better your workouts are going to be.

Mindset was overall good on the HTP product, it was more of an increase in heart rate that was of concern. I doubt that DMHA works through dopaminergic pathways, however I could be wrong. The literature is pretty limited. Please someone correct me if this is wrong. I know that PEA is supposed to increase DA, however the half life is too short for any practical benefits. DMAA should also increase DA based on the literature but pushes harder on NE based on past experience
 
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I highly recommend against any kind of powder. I threw a dmaa pre workout out bc it clumped very bad

As far as caffeine , most I've used was 500 mgs in 2012 ,getting ready for a competition, used 50 mgs ephedrine , a day 250 c and 25 e x2, it would cause my heart to pound way too hard

Everyone is different and too high stimulates cause anxiety in me, too high cortisol

Currently in prep and 200 mgs caffeine and 20 mgs ephedrine is enough currently, less than a month out, started two weeks ago. Less caffeine is better bc did 300-400 mgs and it was too much

Remember in prep cals are low , cardio output is higher, it takes time for the body to adapt, as far can only be burned so fast, going harder just equates to more muscle loss, cliche but until you learn and find tune this it's important

This year using glps, 1 mgs sema, 1--2 mgs tirz once weekly and it does seem to help

IF there's one podcast of Huberman you listen to, it's the one on cortisol somewhat recent. There's some much you can do to make cortisol work bettwr
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Interesting. I never made the connection between stimulants effecting cortisol. I also agree that less is more when it comes to stimulants, especially if your competing.

I am mainly just trying to maintain and have some fun with training nowadays. I still keep my caffeine in the 200 mg range and feel better when I drink less. Sometimes I will have another dose later in the day but like you mentioned.. probably just crashing my cortisol at that point. I have noticed a big difference when taking things like cordyceps and magnesium however in order to keep my tolerance down. Magnesium being the main one. I should probably add cordyceps again, anyone know of a good brand for this? I'll have to check out that podcast.

Cheers
 
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ugsavage said:
Interesting. I never made the connection between stimulants effecting cortisol. I also agree that less is more when it comes to stimulants, especially if your competing.

I am mainly just trying to maintain and have some fun with training nowadays. I still keep my caffeine in the 200 mg range and feel better when I drink less. Sometimes I will have another dose later in the day but like you mentioned.. probably just crashing my cortisol at that point. I have noticed a big difference when taking things like cordyceps and magnesium however in order to keep my tolerance down. Magnesium being the main one. I should probably add cordyceps again, anyone know of a good brand for this? I'll have to check out that podcast.

Cheers
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It does effect cortisol and heart. That's why I stopped using it when I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism Which I believe was caused by many other factors in my life than just regular stim abuse. But long term stress is a cofactor so I had to stop using it for a long time.

Swanson's cordyceps mycelia extract is amazing for breathing capacity and stamina. I stack it with coq10 and dried cayenne pepper powder and I've done 90 minutes on a cross train machine without even feeling tired. Could just go on and on on that machine. Now doing Nutricosts cordyceps but it's weaker for sure.
Otherwise cordyceps is amazing for cardio exercise on athlete level. It is among the top 10 supplements for sure
 
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It does effect cortisol and heart. That's why I stopped using it when I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism Which I believe was caused by many other factors in my life than just regular stim abuse. But long term stress is a cofactor so I had to stop using it for a long time.

Swanson's cordyceps mycelia extract is amazing for breathing capacity and stamina. I stack it with coq10 and dried cayenne pepper powder and I've done 90 minutes on a cross train machine without even feeling tired. Could just go on and on on that machine. Now doing Nutricosts cordyceps but it's weaker for sure.
Otherwise cordyceps is amazing for cardio exercise on athlete level. It is among the top 10 supplements for sure
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That's perfect for a recommendation. I will be trying that Swanson product for sure!

Do you mind if I ask.. did you get prescribed T3 or T4 to treat your condition? Also have your thyroid levels improved? I should probably being doing a hormone panel as well.. would be curious as **** to see my levels 😅

Also what coq10 product and dosage are you using?

Thanks. Cheers mate
 
I tried levothyroxine. Too many sides so I stopped. And went my own way. The key is reducing stress, free radicals, getting lots of seleinum in your diet, addressing vitamin defencies, letting your body detox, especially the liver. Eating single food ingredients. Reducing insuline lvls. In my case I also had high levels of iron (iron overload ) which my doctor ignored. Colostrum and lactoferin helped me lower it but it took time. My values eventually came down on its own and I could start loosing weight again (currently 4 stones in 6 months).

So now I just eat very balanced diet. I take certain trace minerals, important vitamins, methylated b vitamins. And Swanson's thyroid glandular. 1 per day. Regarding coq10 I used to take 300mg. Now I only take a 100. The cheaper one. If you're under 40 you don't need the more expensive kind. Coq10 protects you against free radicals during high intensive training. It protects your heart too. Especially from overload which could lead to infarction. It's in my top 10 as well.
 
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I tried levothyroxine. Too many sides so I stopped. And went my own way. The key is reducing stress, free radicals, getting lots of seleinum in your diet, addressing vitamin defencies, letting your body detox, especially the liver. Eating single food ingredients. Reducing insuline lvls. In my case I also had high levels of iron (iron overload ) which my doctor ignored. Colostrum and lactoferin helped me lower it but it took time. My values eventually came down on its own and I could start loosing weight again (currently 4 stones in 6 months).

So now I just eat very balanced diet. I take certain trace minerals, important vitamins, methylated b vitamins. And Swanson's thyroid glandular. 1 per day. Regarding coq10 I used to take 300mg. Now I only take a 100. The cheaper one. If you're under 30 you don't need the more expensive kind. Coq10 protects you against free radicals during high intensive training. It protects your heart too. Especially from overload which could lead to infarction. It's in my top 10 as well.
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Excellent. Glad to hear your levels are balanced out. Very good recommendations for supplements as well
 
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40 you don't need the more expensive kind. Coq10 protects you against free radicals during high intensive training. It protects your heart too. Especially from overload which could lead to infarction. It's in my top 10 as well.
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I had a coworker that said she would get a lot of energy the first two weeks of taking coq10, then it didn't have that effect anymore

Do you know if there is any truth to this, and if so what would cause this energy burst?or it could have been placebo for her

I don't remember if I've ever tried coq10. I take crestor, a statin, and I read that stations deplete coq10 . Is there a way to test coq10 levels , or are they even important?

I also am in T3 and it seems to keep my thyroid levels optimal at 37.5 or even up to 50
 
John Smeton said:
I had a coworker that said she would get a lot of energy the first two weeks of taking coq10, then it didn't have that effect anymore

Do you know if there is any truth to this, and if so what would cause this energy burst?or it could have been placebo for her

I don't remember if I've ever tried coq10. I take crestor, a statin, and I read that stations deplete coq10 . Is there a way to test coq10 levels , or are they even important?

I also am in T3 and it seems to keep my thyroid levels optimal at 37.5 or even up to 50
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Yeah, COQ10 is not meant to be felt as added energy unless you're very fatigued or untrained. And taking more does not mean you get a better effect (like the 1000mg lipsomale I used to buy from amazon a while ago. ). This combination, coq10, cordyceps, cayenne pepper - I feel like all it does is incrasing my VO₂ max + reduce free radicals /oxidate stress. So the effect is "I can go on for longer but without feeling fatigued" afterwards.

But it's not energizing like ephedrine or DMAA that clearly is an energy that is felt. About testing - I don't really know. If you're fatigued or older than 40 - then you should ask your dr. I'm sure they can order the right test for you.
 
Just received the DMAA last night and dosed 75 mg this morning with about 150 mg of caffeine. Sleep was very interrupted for some reason but regardless I am feeling a very nice, smooth uplift in mood and sense of well being. I will probably bump it to 100 mg next time/ pre workout.

Compared to the high tech product that was giving me anxiety and literally had my heart pounding out of my chest.

Edit: I am also noticing; intense focus (tunnel vision), and vasoconstriction
 
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Sleep was very interrupted for some reason
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I always avoid anything that interrupts my sleep. I already have a hard enough time with sleep unfortunately :(
 
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Just received the DMAA last night and dosed 75 mg this morning with about 150 mg of caffeine. Sleep was very interrupted for some reason but regardless I am feeling a very nice, smooth uplift in mood and sense of well being. I will probably bump it to 100 mg next time/ pre workout.

Compared to the high tech product that was giving me anxiety and literally had my heart pounding out of my chest.

Edit: I am also noticing; intense focus (tunnel vision), and vasoconstriction
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great. my core labs dhma gave me an amazing high btw but they're so strong that you feel very sad the next day. try some taurine with your dmaa. it usually helps counteract the heart palpitations. if you feel stress on the heart - that usually tells something is already wrong with your blood pressure. so always take citruline, aaakg, eat beet roots, take idk, maybe nattokinase, coq10. things that give you lower bp through the day -will make you more safe when you take dmaa.
 
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I always avoid anything that interrupts my sleep. I already have a hard enough time with sleep unfortunately :(
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I should have been more specific. My sleep was interrupted the night before I took my first dose of DMAA. This was due to other factors completely unrelated.
 
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great. my core labs dhma gave me an amazing high btw but they're so strong that you feel very sad the next day. try some taurine with your dmaa. it usually helps counteract the heart palpitations. if you feel stress on the heart - that usually tells something is already wrong with your blood pressure. so always take citruline, aaakg, eat beet roots, take idk, maybe nattokinase, coq10. things that give you lower bp through the day -will make you more safe when you take dmaa.
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I felt the same way with DMHA the next couple of days after taking it were awful. I would try supplementing with a good source of choline like alpha gpc since it's probably (most likely) depleting your choline levels. Also something to lower cortisol as was mentioned these stimulants can directly effect our hormone levels.

I take a low dose of Cialis most nights before bed to keep blood pressure is check. I also take about 3 grams of fish oil (with Vitamin E) throughout the day. I try to get everything else I need through my diet. However the list of supplements I take does go on and on 😅
 
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great. my core labs dhma gave me an amazing high btw but they're so strong that you feel very sad the next day. try some taurine with your dmaa. it usually helps counteract the heart palpitations. if you feel stress on the heart - that usually tells something is already wrong with your blood pressure. so always take citruline, aaakg, eat beet roots, take idk, maybe nattokinase, coq10. things that give you lower bp through the day -will make you more safe when you take dmaa.
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You could also try activated charcoal the next day or even when your coming down drink some activated charcoal. It feels help your body get rid of whatever metabolites are hanging around from the DMHA.

I would then wait about six hours and take some form of choline, along with a low dose of AI
 
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You could also try activated charcoal the next day or even when your coming down drink some activated charcoal. It feels help your body get rid of whatever metabolites are hanging around from the DMHA.

I would then wait about six hours and take some form of choline, along with a low dose of AI
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That's right on point mate. Because I take a large dose of dhma in the evening on a good Friday, usually with fish oil, coq10 and magnesium and I still sleep somewhat on it. So right before bed I usually take activated charcoal (6x250mg) and when I wake up 1500mg of NAC. Breakfest 1h later. I could totally add 4 eggs in the morning with maybe a tablespoon of some sunflower lecithin? (Contains choline right?). Maybe it helps. People who take E and other stims always recommend 5htp in the morning for some reason? Serotonin replenishing?
 
Nice recommendation with the sunflower lecithin. Any specific brand? I was getting a really expensive brand of choline off Amazon (I'll probably get flamed for this).. but it really made a huge difference for me in terms of a positive mental state.

With 5 HTP I would dose it at night as it's a precursor to SERT and Melatonin. I would take it with 10 grams of EAA's, 5 grams of glutamine, and 5 to 10 mg of Melatonin a night. I also take wormwood every night to help balance out my gut bacteria, otherwise melatonin could cause some serious nightmares. However I only take a specific brand of wormwood because most of the brands are giving you the wrong extract and they are not meant to be taken every night. OR they are using fillers and simply cannot be trusted. However the brand that I currently have been taking every night for the last few years. I pretty much swear by it.

Again I'll probably get flamed for this because I buy it off Amazon 😅

 
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