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DMA's Never Satisfied Training Log

Dma378 said:
Also weight goal set at beginning of cycle has been achieved. At about the same BF I am sitting 230 now.

17lbs. And feeling stronger than ever. Feeling like I'm regaining some athleticism with the HIIT.

When the mornings start to warm up a bit (which is soon here in AZ) I am going to rekindle my relationship with the prowler sled in the parking lot of the gym.
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Nice bro!! 230 lbs is beast mode
 
Dma378 said:
Also weight goal set at beginning of cycle has been achieved. At about the same BF I am sitting 230 now.

17lbs. And feeling stronger than ever. Feeling like I'm regaining some athleticism with the HIIT.

When the mornings start to warm up a bit (which is soon here in AZ) I am going to rekindle my relationship with the prowler sled in the parking lot of the gym.
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Great bro!!! Nice going..
 
Holy crap sides are in full swing. Dropped DMZ as of Sunday. Since I had achieved my goal weight I felt it was senseless to add the stress even for a couple more weeks. And after dropping it sides seemed to accelerate. WTF. Sleep was so bad Sunday night from BP that I stayed in bed and took another day off yesterday. BP had me trippin' for much of the day yesterday. Pounded water, potassium, and support supps and actually felt better in the evening. But still slept like shiit last night. Said F-it, if I'm not sleeping, I might as well get my ass in the gym. 2 more weeks of Halo, I can make it. Then it will just be Test only for a while. Was going to add something to it, but no, just Test.

Oh yeah, and back pumps kicked in today too. Just so strange that sides magnified when I dropped the DMZ.

Legs

18 minutes moderate HIIT on incline elliptical
10 minutes Jump Rope and Speed Bag

Squats:
135 x 8
185 x 8
225 x 8
275 x 8
315 x 6
315 x 6
315 x 6

Calf Press / Ab Rope Pull Downs x 4 Rotations

10 minutes moderate pace incline walk

I'm such a puszy
 
Congrats on those PR's and hitting the weight goal of 230! Doing great in here. Weird on the sides kicking in right after you drop the DMZ. I bet it is a temporary fluctuation and you will be fine in the next few days.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Congrats on those PR's and hitting the weight goal of 230! Doing great in here. Weird on the sides kicking in right after you drop the DMZ. I bet it is a temporary fluctuation and you will be fine in the next few days.
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Thanks man!! I certainly hope so. I have a bit of relief in terms of BP meds on the way. Until they arrive I am going to lower Halo to 50mg/day to see if it's any relief. Cycle Assist just not cutting it right now at 2.5 servings per day.
 
Anybody in here ever used Winny? Source sent me some along with my Cyp for having to wait a few extra days on my order. Gotta love that ugl customer service!! So with my recent dealings with high BP and being borderline miserable, I am concerned with this with Winny. But by a few quick google searches I don't find anything directly relating Winny and BP. So if anyone has any experience, how did it effect your BP?

This is something I will use down the road. I'm already ready for the orals I'm on to be done LOL
 
Dma378 said:
Anybody in here ever used Winny? Source sent me some along with my Cyp for having to wait a few extra days on my order. Gotta love that ugl customer service!! So with my recent dealings with high BP and being borderline miserable, I am concerned with this with Winny. But by a few quick google searches I don't find anything directly relating Winny and BP. So if anyone has any experience, how did it effect your BP?

This is something I will use down the road. I'm already ready for the orals I'm on to be done LOL
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I used, Injectable winstrol years ago along with deca muscle pump was sick winny did not increase my bp at all BUT I. have also natural low blood pressure if you already have higher bp most likely will
 
bobi593 said:
I used, Injectable winstrol years ago along with deca muscle pump was sick winny did not increase my bp at all BUT I. have also natural low blood pressure if you already have higher bp most likely will
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Thanks man. Interesting combo. I'm sure the deca negated any joint issues that are typical with Winny.

My BP is always perfect when not on orals. Last couple cycles I just seem to be hyper sensitive.
 
I end up after this cycle with damaged elbow I have issue till today years after no drugs in this world can substitute proper warm up l/deload common sense with weights. btw every cycle gives you extra pounds this may cause higher bp
 
Jebrook said:
Lol. My wife calls that nurse porn. She's an RN and loves it when I get vasky. Looks cool bro.
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Haha my gf is exactly the same (also a nurse)... She'll sit next to me and play with them while watching tv and stuff ha.



... Now that I think about it, I need to show her a different one she should play with...
 
booneman77 said:
Haha my gf is exactly the same (also a nurse)... She'll sit next to me and play with them while watching tv and stuff ha.



... Now that I think about it, I need to show her a different one she should play with...
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Dat visual!!!! Noooooooooooooooooo.....
 
So I took a pill to make sure I slept last night. I have a prescription of Amitriptylene. And I got a great sleep. But also woke up with BP feeling much better. So I looked at Amitriptylene's effect on BP and it can lower it. So win-win!!

Had to come in to work early to train some folks, so afternoon training session today. Feeling better!!
 
Dma378 said:
Anybody in here ever used Winny? Source sent me some along with my Cyp for having to wait a few extra days on my order. Gotta love that ugl customer service!! So with my recent dealings with high BP and being borderline miserable, I am concerned with this with Winny. But by a few quick google searches I don't find anything directly relating Winny and BP. So if anyone has any experience, how did it effect your BP?

This is something I will use down the road. I'm already ready for the orals I'm on to be done LOL
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Dma378 said:
So I took a pill to make sure I slept last night. I have a prescription of Amitriptylene. And I got a great sleep. But also woke up with BP feeling much better. So I looked at Amitriptylene's effect on BP and it can lower it. So win-win!!

Had to come in to work early to train some folks, so afternoon training session today. Feeling better!!
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Yes my wife was on Amitriptylene and had to come off of it because it lowered her already low BP to the point of recurring dizzy spells. Winny is nice but do not train for strength while on it. It makes your connective tissue temporarily more brittle. More of a composition steroid, can help with leaning and some added muscle, just don't use when focusing directly on strength or you could set yourself up for an injury. I would use during your next cut, or when using something that aromatizes heavily and you don't want to have to crush estrogen. I did not notice any BP related issues on it. A slight increase, but on par with most. I would keep your doses lower on it too. I ran it @ 50mg a day with low dose testosterone, and had very nice results.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yes my wife was on Amitriptylene and had to come off of it because it lowered her already low BP to the point of recurring dizzy spells. Winny is nice but do not train for strength while on it. It makes your connective tissue temporarily more brittle. More of a composition steroid, can help with leaning and some added muscle, just don't use when focusing directly on strength or you could set yourself up for an injury. I would use during your next cut, or when using something that aromatizes heavily and you don't want to have to crush estrogen. I did not notice any BP related issues on it. A slight increase, but on par with most. I would keep your doses lower on it too. I ran it @ 50mg a day with low dose testosterone, and had very nice results.
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Yeah I'm thinking it's my Summer cycle. I have read that it can be bad for training heavy, so I will force myself to refrain!! LOL

He gave me 60 - 20mg caps. So I'll just run it at 40 for a month. Will probably be running Mast at that time too. What do you think about that? Mast doesn't really dry me up. I don't use it for body comp, more for the good feeling and aggression. Would Test / Mast / Winny be good?
 
Dma378 said:
Yeah I'm thinking it's my Summer cycle. I have read that it can be bad for training heavy, so I will force myself to refrain!! LOL

He gave me 60 - 20mg caps. So I'll just run it at 40 for a month. Will probably be running Mast at that time too. What do you think about that? Mast doesn't really dry me up. I don't use it for body comp, more for the good feeling and aggression. Would Test / Mast / Winny be good?
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Yes it would, although if you want to know how you respond to winny I would run it by itself. If legit stuff 40mg will treat you pretty nicely with testosterone. Mast is similar in nature to Winny so they would also work really well together if you want to run your test in the lower ranges to be nice dry and quality gains. At 40mg a day that is 280 a week on the winny so if running Mast keep it around 400 with the winny. Without the winny 600 on mast is where most of my friends say the sweet spot is.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yes it would, although if you want to know how you respond to winny I would run it by itself. If legit stuff 40mg will treat you pretty nicely with testosterone. Mast is similar in nature to Winny so they would also work really well together if you want to run your test in the lower ranges to be nice dry and quality gains. At 40mg a day that is 280 a week on the winny so if running Mast keep it around 400 with the winny. Without the winny 600 on mast is where most of my friends say the sweet spot is.
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Actually I would run the winny at the end of the cycle too. Not the beginning. Winny binds heavily to SHGB and can really improve the effectiveness of your other gear at the end of a run when SHGB levels tend to skyrocket.
 
Sleep has been better the past couple nights. BP feels better as well. But indigestion is killing me. Man if it's not one thing it's another. I seriously woke up in the middle of the night and sat up on the edge of the bed just waiting for the acid to go down. All this is telling me to stop doing something. So stopped the Halo too. Last dose was yesterday. Gotta listen to my body. And from the liver to the insomnia, to the BP to the acid reflux to the lethargy, everything just says ABORT ABORT!! Will finish the Epiandro and just be on Test for a while. Again focusing on Compound Movements and HIIT. Workouts have been simple, yet taxing.

Yesterday workout:

16 minutes Interval Sprints (felt amazing)

Incline DB Press:
60's x 12
75's x 12
95's x 12
105's x 8
115's x 6
100's x 6
75's x 8

OHP:
95 x 10
115 x 8
125 x 6
125 x 6
115 x 6
115 x 6

Skullcrushers:
70 x 12
80 x 10
80 x 10
80 x 10

Tricep Push Down:
120 x 12
140 x 10
140 x 10

5 minutes moderate stairs


Today:

12 minutes increasing intensity stairs
9 minutes high incline walk

Pull Ups:
BW x 1, 2, 3 (warm up)
+25lbs. x 4
+25lbs. x 4
+25lbs. x 4
+25lbs. x 4
+25lbs. x 4
BW x 5

Snatch Grip High Pulls:
135 x 8
155 x 6
175 x 6
175 x 6
155 x 6

Preacher Machine Curls:
85 x 12
100 x 12
115 x 10
130 x 8
130 x 8
100 x 8
85 x 8
55 x 10
55 x 10
 
Dma378 said:
Sleep has been better the past couple nights. BP feels better as well. But indigestion is killing me. Man if it's not one thing it's another. I seriously woke up in the middle of the night and sat up on the edge of the bed just waiting for the acid to go down. All this is telling me to stop doing something. So stopped the Halo too. Last dose was yesterday. Gotta listen to my body. And from the liver to the insomnia, to the BP to the acid reflux to the lethargy, everything just says ABORT ABORT!! Will finish the Epiandro and just be on Test for a while. Again focusing on Compound Movements and HIIT. Workouts have been simple, yet taxing.

Yesterday workout:

16 minutes Interval Sprints (felt amazing)

Incline DB Press:
60's x 12
75's x 12
95's x 12
105's x 8
115's x 6
100's x 6
75's x 8

OHP:
95 x 10
115 x 8
125 x 6
125 x 6
115 x 6
115 x 6

Skullcrushers:
70 x 12
80 x 10
80 x 10
80 x 10

Tricep Push Down:
120 x 12
140 x 10
140 x 10

5 minutes moderate stairs


Today:

12 minutes increasing intensity stairs
9 minutes high incline walk

Pull Ups:
BW x 1, 2, 3 (warm up)
+25lbs. x 4
+25lbs. x 4
+25lbs. x 4
+25lbs. x 4
+25lbs. x 4
BW x 5

Snatch Grip High Pulls:
135 x 8
155 x 6
175 x 6
175 x 6
155 x 6

Preacher Machine Curls:
85 x 12
100 x 12
115 x 10
130 x 8
130 x 8
100 x 8
85 x 8
55 x 10
55 x 10
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Good call on ramping down the cycle. It's tough to make that decision sometimes but it's the right call when your body says enough.
 
Jebrook said:
Good call on ramping down the cycle. It's tough to make that decision sometimes but it's the right call when your body says enough.
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It was a decent run up until the last 2 weeks. At this point I have gained 16lbs. A touch leaner and a touch stronger. And this Test run will help maintain it all. But I will not touch another oral until at least Summer time.
 
Segansational said:
When was the last time you took a break?
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First week of September to last week of November was completely natty. So was an almost 3 month break.

But admittedly, not long enough coming off of a 6 month cycle. But that cycle was mostly injectables and sarms.

I was originally going to hold off a bit longer but I'll be honest, it's the libido that had me wanting to hop back on. Or lack of, should I say. It's very discouraging to go from Mr. Savage sex several days per week, to Mr. Doesn't give a shiit about sex at all. The body composition and gym performance were a secondary concern. Those things are easily regained.

So in my assumption (which turned out to be wrong), I thought id just hop back on some Trest and ph's to keep it light. LMFAO. Trest did nothing for my libido. And my body seemingly rejected the methyls at the end here.

In all honesty if I was smart, before I hopped on I would have gotten bloods drawn. But I didn't need them to tell you my test is/was shot. I'm surely a candidate for trt. But at this point it's cheaper for me to self-administer than get prescribed. Even doing bloods on my own would be cheaper. So I'll ride this test out for a couple months at higher than trt doses, and then lower it probably around March/April.

I've about gotten to a point where I don't want to get any bigger. I enjoy chasing numbers and big lifts though. So I'm not sure what I'll even do in the future and what with my stash. These last couple weeks were downright miserable and have me questioning a bit as to why I do it.
 
I'm the same way as far as libido and stuff, man.

P.S. Stash....?
 
MrKleen73 said:
Actually I would run the winny at the end of the cycle too. Not the beginning. Winny binds heavily to SHGB and can really improve the effectiveness of your other gear at the end of a run when SHGB levels tend to skyrocket.
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Doesn't tbol do this as well? I was planning to polish up my next cycle with tbol at the end for this same reason.
 
Good sound sleep last night. Lethargy also declining. Back pumps still lingering a bit. A semi-restful weekend should have me feeling better by Monday. I say semi-restful because my Dad had a few tons of rock sitting in his front yard that I will be helping move around this weekend.

Workout felt good. Took a minute to get going, but once the sweat started it got me pumped. Been a while since I've done Deads, back still a bit tight here at work.

22 minutes increasing intensity Stairs

Deadlifts:
135 x 8
225 x 6
275 x 6
325 x 6
325 x 6
325 x 6

Calves / Ab Wheel / Speed Bag x 15 minutes (I think 5 Rotations)
 
Dma378 said:
First week of September to last week of November was completely natty. So was an almost 3 month break.

But admittedly, not long enough coming off of a 6 month cycle. But that cycle was mostly injectables and sarms.

I was originally going to hold off a bit longer but I'll be honest, it's the libido that had me wanting to hop back on. Or lack of, should I say. It's very discouraging to go from Mr. Savage sex several days per week, to Mr. Doesn't give a shiit about sex at all. The body composition and gym performance were a secondary concern. Those things are easily regained.

So in my assumption (which turned out to be wrong), I thought id just hop back on some Trest and ph's to keep it light. LMFAO. Trest did nothing for my libido. And my body seemingly rejected the methyls at the end here.

In all honesty if I was smart, before I hopped on I would have gotten bloods drawn. But I didn't need them to tell you my test is/was shot. I'm surely a candidate for trt. But at this point it's cheaper for me to self-administer than get prescribed. Even doing bloods on my own would be cheaper. So I'll ride this test out for a couple months at higher than trt doses, and then lower it probably around March/April.

I've about gotten to a point where I don't want to get any bigger. I enjoy chasing numbers and big lifts though. So I'm not sure what I'll even do in the future and what with my stash. These last couple weeks were downright miserable and have me questioning a bit as to why I do it.
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Wow, sorry to hear that bro. I was going to jump on a SARM cycle at the end of PCT but decided to push it back, and I don't know til when. I've been on cycle or SARMS for almost over a year with minimal time off. Going natty for the time being to let my body recover. In all honesty I'm feeling better in PCT than I have been for a while.
 
jmyers said:
Wow, sorry to hear that bro. I was going to jump on a SARM cycle at the end of PCT but decided to push it back, and I don't know til when. I've been on cycle or SARMS for almost over a year with minimal time off. Going natty for the time being to let my body recover. In all honesty I'm feeling better in PCT than I have been for a while.
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Yeah me too. Almost 2 years really for me. A few minimal breaks in between cycles. I want to be healthy at the end of the day, and if in all my efforts I'm hurting my health then I need to reconsider what I'm doing. It's the orals mostly that I'm talking about. But even some injectables I'll be hesitant to run again. My Tren days are done. And even Mast has me thinking. I love the stuff, but what am I doing to my prostate. I'm getting to the age where I need to think about these things.
 
Dma378 said:
Yeah me too. Almost 2 years really for me. A few minimal breaks in between cycles. I want to be healthy at the end of the day, and if in all my efforts I'm hurting my health then I need to reconsider what I'm doing. It's the orals mostly that I'm talking about. But even some injectables I'll be hesitant to run again. My Tren days are done. And even Mast has me thinking. I love the stuff, but what am I doing to my prostate. I'm getting to the age where I need to think about these things.
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Great way to think about it bro. I always look at it this way....we aren't sponsored and getting paid to do this. Our health and family is all we have, because at the end of the day that's all that matters
 
Dma378 said:
First week of September to last week of November was completely natty. So was an almost 3 month break.

But admittedly, not long enough coming off of a 6 month cycle. But that cycle was mostly injectables and sarms.

I was originally going to hold off a bit longer but I'll be honest, it's the libido that had me wanting to hop back on. Or lack of, should I say. It's very discouraging to go from Mr. Savage sex several days per week, to Mr. Doesn't give a shiit about sex at all. The body composition and gym performance were a secondary concern. Those things are easily regained.

So in my assumption (which turned out to be wrong), I thought id just hop back on some Trest and ph's to keep it light. LMFAO. Trest did nothing for my libido. And my body seemingly rejected the methyls at the end here.

In all honesty if I was smart, before I hopped on I would have gotten bloods drawn. But I didn't need them to tell you my test is/was shot. I'm surely a candidate for trt. But at this point it's cheaper for me to self-administer than get prescribed. Even doing bloods on my own would be cheaper. So I'll ride this test out for a couple months at higher than trt doses, and then lower it probably around March/April.

I've about gotten to a point where I don't want to get any bigger. I enjoy chasing numbers and big lifts though. So I'm not sure what I'll even do in the future and what with my stash. These last couple weeks were downright miserable and have me questioning a bit as to why I do it.
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Just getting caught up in here. I'm shocked that trest didn't do anything for libido. Were you running a good AI with it? Also, TRT might be a good idea at this point as well. I'm not sure how old you are but I believe we are around the same age. I'm 38 now and I opted to start TRT 8 yrs ago. Bit difficult to dial everything in at first, but once you get the hang of it, everything is great.
 
Gutterpump said:
Just getting caught up in here. I'm shocked that trest didn't do anything for libido. Were you running a good AI with it? Also, TRT might be a good idea at this point as well. I'm not sure how old you are but I believe we are around the same age. I'm 38 now and I opted to start TRT 8 yrs ago. Bit difficult to dial everything in at first, but once you get the hang of it, everything is great.
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I'll be 38 in March. Was running CEM Letro with the Trest. I have since gotten pharma Exemestane. Enough to last quite a while.

Do you self-administer, or doctor monitored?
 
Dma378 said:
I'll be 38 in March. Was running CEM Letro with the Trest. I have since gotten pharma Exemestane. Enough to last quite a while.

Do you self-administer, or doctor monitored?
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Bit of both. I have a clinic I deal with, but it can get expensive, so I also use ugl test. I also use pharma exemestane (from India).
 
I agree about the orals though. I'm pretty much done with them - and there really is no need for them if you have real gear. I'm also really just sticking with androgens, less sides and healthier in the long run. But I've kind of fallen in love with high dosed dien ace. Was running it at 100mg/day and it was amazing (just dropped it to 50mg because I added in some DTA/C). Usually I hate 19-nor's.
 
Dma378 said:
First week of September to last week of November was completely natty. So was an almost 3 month break.

But admittedly, not long enough coming off of a 6 month cycle. But that cycle was mostly injectables and sarms.

I was originally going to hold off a bit longer but I'll be honest, it's the libido that had me wanting to hop back on. Or lack of, should I say. It's very discouraging to go from Mr. Savage sex several days per week, to Mr. Doesn't give a shiit about sex at all. The body composition and gym performance were a secondary concern. Those things are easily regained.

So in my assumption (which turned out to be wrong), I thought id just hop back on some Trest and ph's to keep it light. LMFAO. Trest did nothing for my libido. And my body seemingly rejected the methyls at the end here.

In all honesty if I was smart, before I hopped on I would have gotten bloods drawn. But I didn't need them to tell you my test is/was shot. I'm surely a candidate for trt. But at this point it's cheaper for me to self-administer than get prescribed. Even doing bloods on my own would be cheaper. So I'll ride this test out for a couple months at higher than trt doses, and then lower it probably around March/April.

I've about gotten to a point where I don't want to get any bigger. I enjoy chasing numbers and big lifts though. So I'm not sure what I'll even do in the future and what with my stash. These last couple weeks were downright miserable and have me questioning a bit as to why I do it.
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Totally understandable. We are all pretty compulsive people in this lifestyle, it is easy for the PED's to become the compulsion, due to results, and the alpha feeling when on them. It is very easy for that to become unhealthy for us and we have to step back and take inventory of our priorities. I did this a while back and not that I am on TRT I tend to run things less often or if running something longer it is innocuous like a SARM or something. I keep methyl doses much lower now and the duration shorter when running them. Squeezing in 2 decent length cycles in a year, is plenty for me. I tend to try and do a 3 month run of light stuff, then recover my lipids and everything for 3 months and go back to do my blood work and then hit up another run after the blood work. I have focused on cutting methyls down or at least running them lower doses. Seems health has stayed much better this way.

yates84 said:
Doesn't tbol do this as well? I was planning to polish up my next cycle with tbol at the end for this same reason.
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I believe it does, but not to the same extent as Winny.
jmyers said:
Wow, sorry to hear that bro. I was going to jump on a SARM cycle at the end of PCT but decided to push it back, and I don't know til when. I've been on cycle or SARMS for almost over a year with minimal time off. Going natty for the time being to let my body recover. In all honesty I'm feeling better in PCT than I have been for a while.
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Good idea.
Gutterpump said:
I agree about the orals though. I'm pretty much done with them - and there really is no need for them if you have real gear. I'm also really just sticking with androgens, less sides and healthier in the long run. But I've kind of fallen in love with high dosed dien ace. Was running it at 100mg/day and it was amazing (just dropped it to 50mg because I added in some DTA/C). Usually I hate 19-nor's.
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Interesting on the dien ace... I thought about looking into that or the DTA\C, what are your thoughts on the DTA\C?
 
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