DMA's Never Satisfied Training Log

Dma378 said:
Excited yet?

Haha. I know I am. 230 here I come!!!
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Im thinking about chief!! :D I wanna get some fat of...Would diz help a bit thinking stacked with Epistane
 
Dma378 said:
Excited yet?

Haha. I know I am. 230 here I come!!!
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Waht would a perf cycle of this be?? I mean with all the support supps
 
OL Trest
Epistane
OL armicare as labeled
Tudca if you wanted to grab some

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Epic unleashed as labeled
OL super pct as labeled
 
Burnfire said:
OL Trest
Epistane
OL armicare as labeled
Tudca if you wanted to grab some

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Epic unleashed as labeled
OL super pct as labeled
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With all those supps you could run a real gear run !
 
Burnfire said:
OL Trest
Epistane
OL armicare as labeled
Tudca if you wanted to grab some

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Epic unleashed as labeled
OL super pct as labeled
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You could get me spososred i would run it all :D hahahaha
 
Just when I talked all that proud dad biz, the kid stands me up. Little butthole. So, pulled some Deads myself. Felt really good. Took a lot of time between sets. Feeling good in general. Almost missed some doses last night. Went to bed and forgot to take my MASS GH and RAD. Woke up after about an hour being asleep and was like whoa!!! Headed out to the kitchen to dose up!! So unlike me.

Glycogen retention is coming on. Arms and Shoulders look nice and full. Still need to get some pics up.

Conventional Deadlifts:
135 x 8
185 x 8
225 x 8
275 x 6
325 x 5
365 x 4
415 x 1
425 x 1

Calf Raises / Speed Bag x 5 Rotations

Single Leg Extensions x 5 sets each side non-stop

Really got aggressive with the speed bag. Was pretty pumped up so was making a bit of noise. Love the drumming of that thing when it gets going.
 
Dma378 said:
Just when I talked all that proud dad biz, the kid stands me up. Little butthole. So, pulled some Deads myself. Felt really good. Took a lot of time between sets. Feeling good in general. Almost missed some doses last night. Went to bed and forgot to take my MASS GH and RAD. Woke up after about an hour being asleep and was like whoa!!! Headed out to the kitchen to dose up!! So unlike me.

Glycogen retention is coming on. Arms and Shoulders look nice and full. Still need to get some pics up.

Conventional Deadlifts:
135 x 8
185 x 8
225 x 8
275 x 6
325 x 5
365 x 4
415 x 1
425 x 1

Calf Raises / Speed Bag x 5 Rotations

Single Leg Extensions x 5 sets each side non-stop

Really got aggressive with the speed bag. Was pretty pumped up so was making a bit of noise. Love the drumming of that thing when it gets going.
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Thats some beastly lifting my friend - good stuff. Lol you're boy keeps doing that - I don't blame him - you're a monster - hes probably intimidated =P
 
booneman77 said:
Wouldn't bother with the prop if you're using trest. It's redundant and it'll just cause more estro sides that are already a pain just from trest.

I personally loved trest far more than anything else I've ever run (including tren ace). Trest & epistane was booommmmbbbb
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Dma378 said:
I'm kind of leaning towards this. Makes sense. I'm just looking for an excuse to pin I think.
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I'm really interested to see what you think of DermaTrest as a base compared to Test injections, if you do end up going that route. I loved DermaTrest but also wondered if having some actual Test floating around would've been beneficial.
 
ZackD89 said:
I'm really interested to see what you think of DermaTrest as a base compared to Test injections, if you do end up going that route. I loved DermaTrest but also wondered if having some actual Test floating around would've been beneficial.
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I can't think of one single positive that having test AND trest would provide. Additional test would just cause more sides id think. It's less powerful, and offers nothing extra that trest doesn't.
 
booneman77 said:
I can't think of one single positive that having test AND trest would provide. Additional test would just cause more sides id think. It's less powerful, and offers nothing extra that trest doesn't.
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Youve done IM eh? Is it considerably more effective than td?
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Youve done IM eh? Is it considerably more effective than td?
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Never ran td so can't compare based on personal experience but just based on standard absorption vs im the dosage to be equal would be drastically different.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
What would you typically administer per day IM
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I actually misread my bottles when I started and was planning to run it at 25mg and then bump up to 50 week 3 but actually was only running st 12.5mg then 25. Once I realized, I bumped it to 50 and the estro sides were getting really difficult and the gains weren't better so I went back to 25-30mg. That was my sweet spot for manageable sides and still amazing gains.
 
booneman77 said:
I actually misread my bottles when I started and was planning to run it at 25mg and then bump up to 50 week 3 but actually was only running st 12.5mg then 25. Once I realized, I bumped it to 50 and the estro sides were getting really difficult and the gains weren't better so I went back to 25-30mg. That was my sweet spot for manageable sides and still amazing gains.
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Interesting, seems the sweetspot for td is prolly about double your IM one at least
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Interesting, seems the sweetspot for td is prolly about double your IM one at least
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Ya that seems to be about right. My biggest issue with td is the unpredictability that can come with both the dosing (especially the pumps) and absorption (really all depends on your pores, cleanliness, thickness of the skin, etc). That's said, it's still leaps and bounds better than oral. IMO oral trest is basically a glorified pre workout with that ridiculously short half life.
 
booneman77 said:
Ya that seems to be about right. My biggest issue with td is the unpredictability that can come with both the dosing (especially the pumps) and absorption (really all depends on your pores, cleanliness, thickness of the skin, etc). That's said, it's still leaps and bounds better than oral. IMO oral trest is basically a glorified pre workout with that ridiculously short half life.
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lol tell me about it, took me half a bottle to realise I need to exfoliate like a mofo in order to get anything out of the td
 
NewAgeMayan said:
lol tell me about it, took me half a bottle to realise I need to exfoliate like a mofo in order to get anything out of the td
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Haha I know the feeling. When I ran XI-KT I would basically scrub my clavicles until they were borderline raw and then rub it there... Burned like a mofo. That can't be healthy ha
 
Definitely feel like without the TD I wouldn't be getting the same effect. The oral PWO is undeniable though. Really worth it in my opinion. TD benefits are probably not really even shining yet anyways. But that PWO effect is immediate.

Yoga time!!! Been like 3-4 weeks since I've been. Had a lot going on last few weekends, so looking forward to this session. My mind and body both need it.

Namaste mofos!! LOL
 
Dma378 said:
Definitely feel like without the TD I wouldn't be getting the same effect. The oral PWO is undeniable though. Really worth it in my opinion. TD benefits are probably not really even shining yet anyways. But that PWO effect is immediate.

Yoga time!!! Been like 3-4 weeks since I've been. Had a lot going on last few weekends, so looking forward to this session. My mind and body both need it.

Namaste mofos!! LOL
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Yeah man that oral pwo at 50mg is nice! Just wait you'll like the steady half life of the TD
 
Dma378 said:
Definitely feel like without the TD I wouldn't be getting the same effect. The oral PWO is undeniable though. Really worth it in my opinion. TD benefits are probably not really even shining yet anyways. But that PWO effect is immediate.

Yoga time!!! Been like 3-4 weeks since I've been. Had a lot going on last few weekends, so looking forward to this session. My mind and body both need it.

Namaste mofos!! LOL
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Ill have to try yoga out one of these days. I live a high stress reality. Working 60 plus hour weeks in a no eraser kind of job is hard on the nerves. Maybe ill give it a go when i get home from vacation
 
pfresh said:
Ill have to try yoga out one of these days. I live a high stress reality. Working 60 plus hour weeks in a no eraser kind of job is hard on the nerves. Maybe ill give it a go when i get home from vacation
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Highly recommend man.

Today's session was great. Even after the few week break, it seems my balance has improved since last time.
 
booneman77 said:
I can't think of one single positive that having test AND trest would provide. Additional test would just cause more sides id think. It's less powerful, and offers nothing extra that trest doesn't.
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When I was using DermaTrest, my libido felt high when I was walking around or in the gym, but I didn't have much of an actual sex drive. I wondered if adding Test in would have changed that. But I wasn't encouraging DMA to use it or not use it with Trest--I was just saying that I'm interested to hear his thoughts on DermaTrest as a Test base since he has experience with Test, so he can compare the two.
 
Dma378 said:
Well today is what I call Separation Day. It's that first workout on cycle that separates you from normal. It's only Day 5 so I know it's just beginning, but this 50mg of Tr3st PWO is the shiit. Here is my current PWO cocktail:

1 Monster cup of coffee
1 serving Vital1ty
1 serving Conqu3r Unleashed
50mg oral Tr3st
25mg TD Trest
4mg RAD
2 caps Hydro3 on HT days

Woke at 218. That's 4 lbs. But for the pump, I consumed around 100 grams of carbs before bed last night. And well, it paid off. Gym this morning was fantastic. Stimmed, pumped, strong, and big. Sweat was rolling, head was nodding to the drums.

CHEST / ARMS HYPERTROPHY

Incline BB Press:
95 x 20 speed
115 x 20 speed
115 x 16 speed
135 x 12
135 x 10
135 x 9 Whew, that speed work really fatigues the muscles!!

Incline DB Flys:
35's x 15 Bothering elbow, so moved these to cables

Low Pulley Cable Fly:
55 x 12
55 x 12
55 x 12

Spider Curls:
50 x 12
50 x 12
50 x 10
50 x 10
Super Set
DB Kickbacks:
20 x 15
30 x 12
30 x 12
25 x 15

Explosive Dips x 6, 6, 6

EZ Bar Curls Triple Drop Sets:
80, 50, 20 x 3
60, 30, 20 x 1

HS Chest Press:
175 x 12 into negatives w/ foot pedal assistance
190 x 10 " " " " "
190 x 8 " " " " "
175 x 8
160 x 8

10 minutes Interval Sprints
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Nice workout Daniel!!!! Not to question your programming as in not saying it is wrong, never would do that. Why are you doing such high reps on speed work? Are you doing this more for cardio, or muscular endurance? There is not a lot of hypertrophic or strength carry over doing them that way other than a massive pump is why I am asking. Now if just go get quicker, and increase muscular endurance then it makes complete sense. Just curious what the specific goal of the high rep speed work is. Also are you stopping the set as soon as the reps slow down? If truly working for speed you do not want to grind out any reps they should all be explosive and quick. Once you slow down you are telling the CNS something different and changing the effect of the exercise.


Dma378 said:
Also pretty set on switching from Halo to DMZ. I think I'll save the Halo to run with Epistane next year.
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Curious why? The kick in is not as quick but depending on dose their is easily as much gains to be had from Halo with out the hit to libido you might get adding DMZ to Trest.
NewAgeMayan said:
Applying the Dermatrest pwo is a mental hurdle for me. I mean, I totally understand Yates reasoning for doing so, but the broscience "but it will get sweat out!!?!1!" is strong in me ugh
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My issue with it is not the sweat so much because when you sweat and cool down the body sucks everything back in. However the shower after concerns me. Also applying after a hot shower is far more effective for application. The pores are open the hot shower made you sweat which makes your body absorb things faster trying to regain the moisture it lost in 100% humidity of a steamy shower.

Daniel if already taking the fast acting oral pre workout I would shower after then apply the TD.

Dma378 said:
Just when I talked all that proud dad biz, the kid stands me up. Little butthole. So, pulled some Deads myself. Felt really good. Took a lot of time between sets. Feeling good in general. Almost missed some doses last night. Went to bed and forgot to take my MASS GH and RAD. Woke up after about an hour being asleep and was like whoa!!! Headed out to the kitchen to dose up!! So unlike me.

Glycogen retention is coming on. Arms and Shoulders look nice and full. Still need to get some pics up.

Conventional Deadlifts:
135 x 8
185 x 8
225 x 8
275 x 6
325 x 5
365 x 4
415 x 1
425x1

Calf Raises / Speed Bag x 5 Rotations

Single Leg Extensions x 5 sets each side non-stop

Really got aggressive with the speed bag. Was pretty pumped up so was making a bit of noise. Love the drumming of that thing when it gets going.
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Nice deads! About the bold part, stay proud brother, he is developing his discipline. He is not a Jedi master like you yet. It takes time to develop dedication unless you are simply born with it.

Dma378 said:
Highly recommend man.

Today's session was great. Even after the few week break, it seems my balance has improved since last time.
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I just found out my daughters choir teachers fiance teaches a few classes of DDP Yoga a week and he does it for free. Going to get the info and try to make it there at least once a week.
 
I do the speed sets all fast. Should it be a heavier weight for fewer explosive reps? This is my first time doing it and aside from just reading in the PHAT routine "speed sets", there was not any details as to what exactly that meant. So totally just assumed what to do. Can you specify what the idea is with them.

It was more of a cycle goal reason for wanting to switch to DMZ. I have enough DMZ to run a high enough dose to pack on some size in 6 weeks. Not sure 75mg of halo for 6 would give me the same mass gains. It's still up in the air.

I was thinking of preloading my oral syringe and taking the TD to the gym to apply after shower.
 
I think I found my new favorite move. Finally did Clean and Press like a big boy.

Feeling pretty good all around. Body comp seems to be making some subtle changes already, not counting the glycogen retention. Trest sides are as expected. Holding a bit of water and nipples are sensitive, at times to the point of discomfort. The .5mg Adex eod not doing much. Will bump to 1mg eod, and hit a couple days of RC Letro to knock it down a bit. But man, the good parts of Trest are there as well. Extreme sense of well being and strength is great. Libido is eh, nothing spectacular as of now. But not gone.

UPPER BODY POWER

Flat Bench Press:
135 x 15
185 x 10
225 x 8
245 x 4
245 x 4

Clean and Press:
95 x 8
115 x 8
125 x 6
125 x 6

DB Side Laterals:
25's x 16
35's x 10
40's x 10
40's x 8 drop to 15's x 8
Super Set
Kroc Rows:
75 x 12 each side
110 x 10
115 x 8
125 x 8

HS Decline Press (total weight):
192 x 12
282 x 10
332 x 6
332 x 5
Super Set
1 Arm Leaning Side Laterals:
10 x 12 each side
10 x 12
10 x 12
10 x 12

Seated Machine Row:
135 x 8
150 x 8
150 x 6
135 x 6 drop to 90 x 5

Really liked this Row Machine. All other rowing stations were occupied and first time using this. Perfect hand position really focused on the lats and middle back.
 
You sir ! Your killing it ! So motivating following bro!!
 
Dma378 said:
I do the speed sets all fast. Should it be a heavier weight for fewer explosive reps? This is my first time doing it and aside from just reading in the PHAT routine "speed sets", there was not any details as to what exactly that meant. So totally just assumed what to do. Can you specify what the idea is with them.

It was more of a cycle goal reason for wanting to switch to DMZ. I have enough DMZ to run a high enough dose to pack on some size in 6 weeks. Not sure 75mg of halo for 6 would give me the same mass gains. It's still up in the air.

I was thinking of preloading my oral syringe and taking the TD to the gym to apply after shower.
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Yes your speed sets are typically in the 3-5 rep range, you want to work with about 50% of your max for multiple sets and explode with all the force you can each rep. You can also start around 40% and move up by 5-10% each set until you begin to notice your reps slowing down to where they are not quick anymore. Nothing even close to a grinding rep. Obviously 50% will move slower than 40%, and 60% slower than 50% but that is expected. It is when you are noticing that it is no longer a fast explosive push all the way to the top. I would also recommend doing pause reps, where you stop it at your chest while staying tight for 1 second, then explode up. Not a rapid fire technique then bring it down under control, doesn't have to be a negative by any means just down under control as in tension throughout the descent. Since a hypertrophy day I would stick to 5 reps, and the last set if you slow down at 3 then stop at 3. If sets are not prescribed I would limit it to about 8, no more than 10. That is how yo get the volume for the growth. Push muscles respond far better to explosive work for growth anyway. :) Not saying heavy weight doesn't do the trick but the effort should be explosive on all push muscles unless the goal is increasing lactic threshold or causing a major GH spike.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yes your speed sets are typically in the 3-5 rep range, you want to work with about 50% of your max for multiple sets and explode with all the force you can each rep. You can also start around 40% and move up by 5-10% each set until you begin to notice your reps slowing down to where they are not quick anymore. Nothing even close to a grinding rep. Obviously 50% will move slower than 40%, and 60% slower than 50% but that is expected. It is when you are noticing that it is no longer a fast explosive push all the way to the top. I would also recommend doing pause reps, where you stop it at your chest while staying tight for 1 second, then explode up. Not a rapid fire technique then bring it down under control, doesn't have to be a negative by any means just down under control as in tension throughout the descent. Since a hypertrophy day I would stick to 5 reps, and the last set if you slow down at 3 then stop at 3. If sets are not prescribed I would limit it to about 8, no more than 10. That is how yo get the volume for the growth. Push muscles respond far better to explosive work for growth anyway. :) Not saying heavy weight doesn't do the trick but the effort should be explosive on all push muscles unless the goal is increasing lactic threshold or causing a major GH spike.
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Awesome info. Thanks man. This is how I will structure them.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yes your speed sets are typically in the 3-5 rep range, you want to work with about 50% of your max for multiple sets and explode with all the force you can each rep. You can also start around 40% and move up by 5-10% each set until you begin to notice your reps slowing down to where they are not quick anymore. Nothing even close to a grinding rep. Obviously 50% will move slower than 40%, and 60% slower than 50% but that is expected. It is when you are noticing that it is no longer a fast explosive push all the way to the top. I would also recommend doing pause reps, where you stop it at your chest while staying tight for 1 second, then explode up. Not a rapid fire technique then bring it down under control, doesn't have to be a negative by any means just down under control as in tension throughout the descent. Since a hypertrophy day I would stick to 5 reps, and the last set if you slow down at 3 then stop at 3. If sets are not prescribed I would limit it to about 8, no more than 10. That is how yo get the volume for the growth. Push muscles respond far better to explosive work for growth anyway. :) Not saying heavy weight doesn't do the trick but the effort should be explosive on all push muscles unless the goal is increasing lactic threshold or causing a major GH spike.
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I learn so much in this log.
 
bighulksmash said:
Exemestane 25mgs ed
Trest 100/100/200/200/200
Id personally rather run test ... imo trest was not worth sides it comes with.
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From what I've seen and heard Trest over 100 just isn't good. I've really been enjoying it but it's definitely a compound that once you hit that sweet spot - anything above that just gives bad side effects.
 
When I hit 100 mg I started to notice sides that I just did not like. For me, Trest at 75 mg is plenty
 
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