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Dirty Lean bulking

Doubravkody

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I know there is a question on this for regular bulking, but what about bulking, to where you are not going to be gainging massive weight that you just have to take off, meaning is dirty bulking okay if I am trying to hit 3k cal each day, and i eat a double cheeseburger to help? I wont get fat off it and it helps me hit my marker...
is anything wrong with that?
 
It depends on the macro breakdown of the cheesburger. It's not so much the foods you have to watch out for its the quality of the nutrients. If one were so inclined, one could gain fat off of eating a lot of brown rice.
 
ya if you watch your macro breakdown of your daily intake thats how it depends cuz i as well do that eat double cheeseburgers from Mcd's so freaking amazing i love mcds so i understand where your coming from fast and easy calories to add on
 
If you get high quality meat, use whole wheat buns, and use fat-free cheese, a cheeseburger is a pretty good meal!

If you stop at Wendy's everyday, it's not so good.
 
you're bulking and trying to hit 3k calories? good god brotha, you need to eat more.

the calories from store bought burgers aren't the best, and the quality of the meat is not the best. as irish said, make your own, and try adding in another meal (protein and mono fat only) before bed. 3k calories can't maintain my needs, much less a bulk.


at 130 pounds though, i wouldn't bother breaking the macro's down, just eat more.
 
I eat whatever I can. I eliminate a lot of sugar, soda, breaded foods, and chips and such from my diet though.

My cheat meal is a double cheese, becuase they are straight up amazing. But that is only if I'm starving and don't have enough daily calories. Usually a parfait and a grilled snack wrap, with only the lettuce is a decent meal. Under 300 calories and 5g fat. Solid meal when no homemade food is around.

Just don't make it a habit. You gotta have self control.


BTW, theres no such thing as dirty, lean bulking..:think:
 
Cheeseburgers are fine. Saturated fats and cholesterol are both necessary and healthy in terms of adding muscle. The only reason I would hesitate to do it is because it will be difficult to know the exact nutrient content.
 
Rugger said:
Cheeseburgers are fine. Saturated fats and cholesterol are both necessary and healthy in terms of adding muscle. The only reason I would hesitate to do it is because it will be difficult to know the exact nutrient content.
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There are no redeeming qualities in a double cheeseburger. Those things are pure processed crap and should be avoided. Saturated fats are not essential but, true, they are not all that bad. Cholesterol is not healthy to my knowledge (but would relish any peer reviewed journals showing the contrary).
I think the big picture here is that if you are willing to compromise your short and longterm health in order to reach goals as a bodybuilder, you should go back to the drawing board.
Eat whole foods and supplement with powders when necessary. A good clean bulk is the way to go... and as was already mentioned, increase your daily calories as they sound low.
 
pestis said:
Cholesterol is not healthy to my knowledge (but would relish any peer reviewed journals showing the contrary).
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testosterone was synthesized from a cholesterol molecule. cholesterol is integral to building muscles.

peer reviews would be a google search for "cholesterol and testosterone".
 
suncloud said:
testosterone was synthesized from a cholesterol molecule. cholesterol is integral to building muscles.

peer reviews would be a google search for "cholesterol and testosterone".
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here are the two paths for the conversion of cholesterol to testosterone:
Cholesterol » pregnenolone » progesterone » androstenedione » Testosterone

Cholesterol » pregnenolone » DHEA » androstenediol » Testosterone

ingesting cholesterol does not facilitate this. remember, blood level cholesterol and dietary cholesterol have very little relation. So I agree that eating some cholesterol is not bad although it does not enhance testosterone and certainly not muscle. and double cheese burgers not made at home have a lot more problems than can be easlily listed.

Here is some not so happy relation between the two:

Having high cholesterol, pre-diabetes or high blood pressure causes hardening of the arteries, which decreases blood flow to the testicles to damage the testicles and lower testosterone. High blood pressure and high cholesterol lower testosterone, so men with low testosterone are at increased risk for heart attacks.

(Sexual activity and plasma testosterone levels in hypertensive males. American Journal of Hypertension, 2002, Vol 15, Iss 3, pp 217-221. R Fogari, A Zoppi, P Preti, A Rinaldi, G Marasi, A Vanasia, A Mugellini. Fogari R, Univ Pavia, Policlin San Matteo, IRCCS, Dept Internal Med & Therapeut, Piazza Golgi 2, I-27100 Pavia, ITALY)

thanks for taking the time to respond. thats what this place is for!
 
Effect of Dietary Cholesterol on Muscle Hypertrophy with Resistance TVaining: Randomized Double Blind Placebo-Controlled TVial: 1768: Board #56 May 31 8:00 AM 9:30 AM
[C-26 Free Communication/Poster - Nutritional Interventions: MAY 31, 2007 7:30 AM 12:30 PM ROOM: Hall E]

Riechman, Steven E.; Gasier, Heath G.
Texas A&M University, College Station, TX. Email: [email protected]
Funded by: US Poultry and Egg Association

We have previously demonstrated a strong association of dietary cholesterol on lean mass and strength gains with resistance exercise training (RET) in older adults, independent of dietary protein.

PURPOSE: To follow up, we conducted a randomized trial in which we administered either 0 eggs/day (3.5 mg/kg lean/day cholesterol, the ATP III recommendation of <200 mg/day), ~ 1 egg/day (7.0 mg/kg lean/day, ~400 mg/day, average American diet) or ~3 egg/day (14.0 mg/kg lean/day, ~800 mg/day) mixed in a standard protein drink. Isocaloric supplemention was administered every 12 hours starting immediately post exercise.

METHODS: Healthy, recreationally active 50–69 year old men and women performed a standard 12 week RET protocol, 3 times a week, 8 exercises, 3 sets of 8–12 repetitions at 70% of 1 repetition maximum. Prior to testing and training, subjects participated in 5 hours of diet education and 6 hours of exercise orientation. During RET, subjects restricted cholesterol to 3.5 mg/kg lean/day and consumed >1.0 g/kg protein. Dietary records were submitted 4x/week to assess compliance.

RESULTS: Lean mass increased 2.4 ± 2.9% and gains were significantly different (P<0.05) between the 1 and 3 egg groups (0 egg=2.5 ± 4.0%, 1 egg 0.7 ± 2.0%, 3 eggs=3.6 ± 2.7%). Composite strength increases (chest +leg press) were significantly greater in the 3 egg group (0egg=14 ± 7%, 1 egg=8 ± 10%, 3 eggs=33 ± 19%). Blood cholesterol was significantly increased in the 1 egg group only (0 egg=+1 ± 23, 1 egg +17 ± 9, 3 eggs=+6 ± 9 mg/dL).

CONCLUSIONS: Our results suggest that dietary cholesterol may have a modest role in muscle mass and strength increases and an uncertain role on cardiovascular risk factors when undergoing RET.
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Google has many more. FTR, I eat 6 whole eggs a day and about 170g in protein from red meat with lots of sat fats, including cheeseburgers. I'm very healthy and in pretty good shape. Just an example of what cholesterol and sat fats can do.
 
Rugger said:
Google has many more. FTR, I eat 6 whole eggs a day and about 170g in protein from red meat with lots of sat fats, including cheeseburgers. I'm very healthy and in pretty good shape. Just an example of what cholesterol and sat fats can do.
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Thanks for the info. Never really went this far into depth about the subject.
 
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