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Smont said:
@DinosaurMuffins sorry I'm not trying to be negative Nancy over here. I'm just trying to think of ways you can make this cycle a little more productive with less risks.
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I had a whole post typed up the other day about why you never want to play all your cards at once; that dieting should be progressive in food reduction, AAS and activity increase, layering in the pharmacological tricks, so you never get truly stuck at a plateau.

I just ended up deleting it in frustration instead of posting. Good advice that won’t get followed is bad advice.
 
Smont said:
@DinosaurMuffins sorry I'm not trying to be negative Nancy over here. I'm just trying to think of ways you can make this cycle a little more productive with less risks.
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I had a whole post typed up the other day about why you never want to play all your cards at once; that dieting should be progressive in food reduction, AAS and activity increase, layering in the pharmacological tricks, so you never get truly stuck at a plateau.

I just ended up deleting it in frustration instead of posting. Good advice that won’t get followed is bad advice.
 
Hyde said:
I had a whole post typed up the other day about why you never want to play all your cards at once; that dieting should be progressive in food reduction, AAS and activity increase, layering in the pharmacological tricks, so you never get truly stuck at a plateau.

I just ended up deleting it in frustration instead of posting. Good advice that won’t get followed is bad advice.
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That's what I was thinking. Every card is being played in the first hand right now and after a few weeks goes by there's going to be no options other then suffering
 
Hyde said:
I had a whole post typed up the other day about why you never want to play all your cards at once; that dieting should be progressive in food reduction, AAS and activity increase, layering in the pharmacological tricks, so you never get truly stuck at a plateau.

I just ended up deleting it in frustration instead of posting. Good advice that won’t get followed is bad advice.
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Honestly it's why I don't comment on this log much.
 
For sure. I have read through the comments. I haven't been able to respond much since I'm not at my work desk. I had taken an extended weekend.

I will say I don't eat process crap, we are super healthy. I'm cutting out the metformin all together. Will try again later.

Honestly the cycle gear and Sema is fantastic. I feel great. Weight is melting off. No doubt I'll hit 10%. Bow I know that is subject to change down the line on how I feel but as of right now. This is a fantastic cycle.
 
DinosaurMuffins said:
For sure. I have read through the comments. I haven't been able to respond much since I'm not at my work desk. I had taken an extended weekend.

I will say I don't eat process crap, we are super healthy. I'm cutting out the metformin all together. Will try again later.

Honestly the cycle gear and Sema is fantastic. I feel great. Weight is melting off. No doubt I'll hit 10%. Bow I know that is subject to change down the line on how I feel but as of right now. This is a fantastic cycle.
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Of course it is, because you’re playing all the cards at once. That’s the point we’re making: Where will you go when you plateau? Going to eat 1,100 calories per day? Will you be able to throw 36-60 hour fasts in? Or hours of additional cardio? You going to keep upping the Tren and Clen & Thyroid? How high will you let your blood pressure & resting pulse get?

I want you to succeed. If you are very close to your goal, you will be fine. If you need a good deal of change still, that may take more time than what you are doing will last (because the body will adapt and fat loss slow down) - the goal is to keep having answers as you stagnate to keep things moving to your goal.
 
Hyde said:
Of course it is, because you’re playing all the cards at once. That’s the point we’re making: Where will you go when you plateau? Going to eat 1,100 calories per day? Will you be able to throw 36-60 hour fasts in? Or hours of additional cardio? You going to keep upping the Tren and Clen & Thyroid? How high will you let your blood pressure & resting pulse get?

I want you to succeed. If you are very close to your goal, you will be fine. If you need a good deal of change still, that may take more time than what you are doing will last (because the body will adapt and fat loss slow down) - the goal is to keep having answers as you stagnate to keep things moving to your goal.
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This is almost identical to what I was getting ready to post.
 
Reading through all the comments. Guys I get it. Yes it is alot all at once. I will say this, I get it and yes that all is logical. For the most part that would be how I roll.

Since I have limited semaglutide (could get more but budget stuff). I decided to just go as hard as I can for 10 weeks. My deit is good.

Again so far this is going well. I have visual progression in less than 2 weeks. My enegery is good. Besides adding the metformin and the gyno. Yhis has been great. (BTW gyno is gone).
 
Smont said:
This is almost identical to what I was getting ready to post.
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I plan to stick to 1400 to 1600 calories. Lifting 5 days a week , 30 mins cardio 5 days a week. Just making sure I get my protien in.

Will add in some intermittent fasting to switch things up.

T3 has worked out great so far. I did drop the clen altogether because of BP and heart rate.

My blood pressure now that my body has gotten use to things is running 116/77. So all set there. Resting heart rate is 77 up from 58bpm which is to be expected with the compounds.

So as of now I am running:
T3 50mcg
Dhb 200mg
Tren 300mg
Test 300mg
Semaglutide @ 375mg

Like I said I feel great, and dropping weight fast. I will continue to monitor everything but honestly this is working out very well.

Yes titration up would have been good but it's just not what I chose this go around.

I don't feel I will plateau much as this is only a 10 week run. At that calorie deficit and exercise load / compounds I personally don't see that happening in that short of time.

The goal of this is preserve what muscle I can but drop as much fat as possible. I'll bulk at first of next year with a test, npp, mast cycle. This last 6 months I have gained atleast 2 years of progress and I'm only 2 weeks into this blast.

Edit weight goal is 172. I'm sitting at 187 today. 15lbs should get me to 10%.
 
DinosaurMuffins said:
I plan to stick to 1400 to 1600 calories. Lifting 5 days a week , 30 mins cardio 5 days a week. Just making sure I get my protien in.

Will add in some intermittent fasting to switch things up.

T3 has worked out great so far. I did drop the clen altogether because of BP and heart rate.

My blood pressure now that my body has gotten use to things is running 116/77. So all set there. Resting heart rate is 77 up from 58bpm which is to be expected with the compounds.

So as of now I am running:
T3 50mcg
Dhb 200mg
Tren 300mg
Test 300mg
Semaglutide @ 375mg

Like I said I feel great, and dropping weight fast. I will continue to monitor everything but honestly this is working out very well.

Yes titration up would have been good but it's just not what I chose this go around.

I don't feel I will plateau much as this is only a 10 week run. At that calorie deficit and exercise load / compounds I personally don't see that happening in that short of time.

The goal of this is preserve what muscle I can but drop as much fat as possible. I'll bulk at first of next year with a test, npp, mast cycle. This last 6 months I have gained atleast 2 years of progress and I'm only 2 weeks into this blast.

Edit weight goal is 172. I'm sitting at 187 today. 15lbs should get me to 10%.
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From my own personal experience with cutting, and helping others diet, you Usually need to loose about double what you plan on in a cut. If you really want to be 10% bf, once you have a full visible 6 pack, now you need to drop another 10-15lbs to get to 10%bf. 10% is more shredded then pretty much every person on the planet that isint a bodybuilder or pro athlete. Basically what Greg Doucette looks like in all his videos
 
sammpedd88 said:
I don’t know how in the world you’re getting by on 1400-1600 calories a day.
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Ya, Id be needing to do a refeed every 4-5 days. I could prolly do a week or two initially but once that honeymoon period was over and my gut was holding less food and glycogen was getting down...
 
Smont said:
From my own personal experience with cutting, and helping others diet, you Usually need to loose about double what you plan on in a cut. If you really want to be 10% bf, once you have a full visible 6 pack, now you need to drop another 10-15lbs to get to 10%bf. 10% is more shredded then pretty much every person on the planet that isint a bodybuilder or pro athlete. Basically what Greg Doucette looks like in all his videos
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Yep Im there. I have light-visible abs at 187 lbs right now and a really nice V cut around my hips.
 
Update: Been a min.

So here is what I found. Certain foods **** with me badly on semaglutide. Which is the cause, not the metformin. I have learned what to avoid now, so I am good. Dosing Semaglutide up this week on Wed to 750mg from 375mg. Will run this the next 4 weeks. It has helped tremendously with my diet. I sit right now at 184.5lbs. I feel like I am slightly recomping though. I am not sure if that is the case but I look bigger and weigh less. My goal is 14.5 more lbs. I have dropped 2 pants sizes this month alone. I wear size 30 pants. My lifts are all up.

My BP is 118/75 consistently. I feel great. No issues. My daughter has been in town for visitation (older one) (14) and her room is next to my gym so I moved my weights to the garage but 0 cardio. It has been raining every day and elliptical is still next to her room.

She leaves Wednesday so I plan on starting back up 30 minutes daily. This should help the whole weight loss thing.

Considering my weight went from 191 to 196.7 in the first week and now down to 184.5 I feel good about the progress.
 
Higher sugar foods (refined) I had a birthday around that time and my wife made an apple cake with White Chocolate Whiskey sauce. The booze was cooked off. I don't eat dessert often but I was eating that over the course of several days afterward before it went bad. I noticed it with a few other refined sugar items. Even agave that I added to the coffee a few times (again not my norm). So I am just staying away from anything high or refined sugar.
 
DinosaurMuffins said:
Higher sugar foods (refined) I had a birthday around that time and my wife made an apple cake with White Chocolate Whiskey sauce. The booze was cooked off. I don't eat dessert often but I was eating that over the course of several days afterward before it went bad. I noticed it with a few other refined sugar items. Even agave that I added to the coffee a few times (again not my norm). So I am just staying away from anything high or refined sugar.
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Did you check your blood sugar? Probably a wild fluctuation. Your on tren, dhb, a diabetes medication and a very, very low calorie diet. Unless your eating primarily carbs your probably borderline hypo at times and then the spike is throwing you off. I know this is not the case with you right now but another thing I'm seeing is people on segmaglutide (non fitness minded people) are crushing there appetite and are only eating little bits of junk food here and there so there getting no vitamins or minerals and that's gonna make them feel like **** after a while. This is the reason I won't get segmaglutide for my mother. She will eat toast, snack foods when she's hungry and nothing of value. She also drinks which is a terrible idea when you have minimal food available and taking things that effect blood sugar
 
HI, Update.

I am so fucking hungry. All the time. Have ramped things up burning about 4k calories a day. I am eating 2000 calories. I am up to 750mg semaglutide, 50mcg t3, 50 mcg t4, and 1000mg metformin on top of the blast. Im constantly hungry. Carbs.... I am making it through but **** me. I want to eat all the carbs not just 1000 calories of carbs I want them all.

The other night I had a moment... It was bad. probably 1200 calories in brownies and cheez its. Anyone got advice here?
I need to go another 2 weeks like this to hit my goal. I don't know if I can do it. For sure sub 15%bf. Likely like 13-14. Im dying

Bp is creeping but I am trying to give that another 5 days to see if I can get back to normal. Had a lot of salt this weekend. So might be off from that. If it doesn't drop I am ending all the gear except Test and cruising for 3 weeks before going back down to TRT range like 150mg
 
DinosaurMuffins said:
I plan to stick to 1400 to 1600 calories. Lifting 5 days a week , 30 mins cardio 5 days a week. Just making sure I get my protien in.
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DinosaurMuffins said:
Also Semaglutide. Thats how. Don't feel hungry in the slightlest.
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DinosaurMuffins said:
Have ramped things up burning about 4k calories a day.
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DinosaurMuffins said:
I am eating 2000 calories.
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I feel like you're a little disorganized. You might need to step back, write down your goal again (which is 2 different things on this page), identify what you need to do in writing, then finish the run. You've got the effort going here for sure, but the approach seems a little ADHD. Hyde mentioned fasting. I don't know anything about your scenario, if you're insulin sensitive, or how it goes with being on a cycle this intense, but if you don't have the discipline to stay within your deficit a 36-60hr fast like Hyde mentioned might in some ways be easier. the hunger will be brief. good luck dude. your goal is very reachable if you can keep focus and discipline.
 
Dustin07 said:
I feel like you're a little disorganized. You might need to step back, write down your goal again (which is 2 different things on this page), identify what you need to do in writing, then finish the run. You've got the effort going here for sure, but the approach seems a little ADHD. Hyde mentioned fasting. I don't know anything about your scenario if you're insulin sensitive, or how it goes with being on a cycle this intense, but if you don't have the discipline to stay within your deficit a 36-60hr fast like Hyde mentioned might in some ways be easier. the hunger will be brief. good luck dude. your goal is very reachable if you can keep focus and discipline.
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I get what you mean. I made some changes since my last post some time ago which were adjustments as needed. I don't plan on fasting. That sounds terrible but I have been sticking to my diet for like 4 day stretches without cheating. Then when I do its not that bad. Like some goldfish, or cheez-its. Pounding brownies and a bag of Cheez-Its isn't typical but I feel my body pushing me to new limits with needing carbs. It's hard to resist even on semaglutide. All that is doing is making me only able to eat like 600 calories in a sitting (typically). Which is good but isn't helping with needing the carbs.

Like today I had a bowl of oatmeal 1 serving, and 2 protein shakes (nutircost). a 7 oz turkey patty with mustard ketchup and pickles (no bun). 1 serving of cheezits. I'll eat a protein and veggie dinner. Maybe a sweet potato or rice and 1 additional protein shake around 8 after I lift again, oh, and 4 tablespoons half and half for coffee. I'd say this is a typical day.

So it's not like I am eating badly, not perfect but I'd rather eat above and maintain for a week then eat chicken and broccoli for 2 days and have 3 days of binging.
 
DinosaurMuffins said:
I'd rather eat above and maintain for a week then eat chicken and broccoli for 2 days and have 3 days of binging.
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I mean this with zero judgement, or implication that I have interest in doing any better:

There is a third option, where you stick to the plan and make the progress you desire. It has been proven that a monotonous diet improves adherence, significantly. The more diverse the diet, the more you will crave diversity. That makes sense too, to help someone avoid nutrient deficiencies (including macros/energy needs).

The body does not want to be in a deficit, to lose setpoint weight. Remember that. You are correct in assessing that it is screaming out to you. You do NOT have to feed it. If you do satisfy it, you will maintain (or possibly gain in the event you binge).
 
DinosaurMuffins said:
I get what you mean. I made some changes since my last post some time ago which were adjustments as needed. I don't plan on fasting. That sounds terrible but I have been sticking to my diet for like 4 day stretches without cheating. Then when I do its not that bad. Like some goldfish, or cheez-its. Pounding brownies and a bag of Cheez-Its isn't typical but I feel my body pushing me to new limits with needing carbs. It's hard to resist even on semaglutide. All that is doing is making me only able to eat like 600 calories in a sitting (typically). Which is good but isn't helping with needing the carbs.

Like today I had a bowl of oatmeal 1 serving, and 2 protein shakes (nutircost). a 7 oz turkey patty with mustard ketchup and pickles (no bun). 1 serving of cheezits. I'll eat a protein and veggie dinner. Maybe a sweet potato or rice and 1 additional protein shake around 8 after I lift again, oh, and 4 tablespoons half and half for coffee. I'd say this is a typical day.

So it's not like I am eating badly, not perfect but I'd rather eat above and maintain for a week then eat chicken and broccoli for 2 days and have 3 days of binging.
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I think I'm projecting a bit of my own mental struggles into your post. The past 10 months are the first time in over a decade that I let myself stay at or over 15% making 95% of my nutritional choices about strength vs cutting for vanity but the internal struggle constantly thinks "well I could just not put carbs in my meal prep this week, or I could cut the chicken portions down, or other calories restriction methods".

For your struggle, sorta building off what Hyde said, I can't say enough how much doing all meal prep for the week in advance absolutely eliminates (at the very least helps!) Curb cravings that lead to binging.

Breakfast is made, I eat it pound water I'm generally good.

Lunch is made, it's always a salad with my portion of protein and carbs but always a salad. When I'm starving at lunch time I'm good to go.

Dinner is always vegetables, often broiled with my wife and the protein varies (usually fish on Mondays, pork one day, chicken one day and a lot of red meat for us)

For me this creates an 80/20 that lets me have dates with my wife (more salads lately again) and I try to get a fasting day in once a week for more balance.

Even with all that effort I'm hanging at 12lbs over my normal. If I wasn't this dialed I'd be up another 15 zero doubt lol

Annnnnnyways.... I like meal prep to help with this issue. What's the old quote.... Something like failure to plan is planning to fail?

You got the tools and momentum, grab it and strike while the irons hot !
 
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Yeah just a typo :)
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Youve still got quite alot of headroom left with dosing this. Id say most people dont see the full benefits of semag til they hit 1.5mg+. If youre going to use it at all, ideally you want to be reaping those benefits. Id be bumping the dose to at least 1mg per week. If youre like "most people", it *will* knock those cravings on the head.
 
Appreciate all the advice. Some of it is more helpful than others.

4 days of good solid -2k calories and then have a 170 calorie serving of cheezits I don't think warrants a "4 day stretches wtf cmon man the **** up do 4 month stretches and then get back to us" but what-evs. I think my concern was the few times I binged. That sucks when that happens.

But again some solid advice in here. The semaglutide I am just dosing up but I'll run out before long. I won't take it again for another year or so. I have a deca/mast/test lean gainer planned for about 7- 8 months from now and then I'll run some sema to lean back out.
 
DinosaurMuffins said:
4 days of good solid -2k calories and then have a 170 calorie serving of cheezits I don't think warrants a "4 day stretches wtf cmon man the **** up do 4 month stretches and then get back to us" but what-evs. I think my concern was the few times I binged. That sucks when that happens.
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funny thing is that's kinda why I'm doing a 36hr fast today (rest day), it allows that little extra "cheat" or at least "enjoy life" aspect on my lifting days
 
This is the whole point we were making a while back. You used all your playing cards the first week and you hit a wall. Also if your only cheat was 170 calories every 4 days you would still be making progress. Diet is the #1 factor in weight loss and if you can't go a few weeks at a time without cheating you haven't even started a diet yet. When people rely on drugs and supplements to make up for lack of effort and discipline the result is almost always failure. It dosent take a steroid cycle or medication or supplements to get lean. It takes adherence to a diet and cardio. I just started my cut 7 days ago.

Step one is 125mg testosterone every 4-5 days and no other gear. I'm actually not even gonna go on a cycle probably for the first 9-12 weeks. I'm gonna bring in a fat burner around week 4 and also some injectable carnatine and everything else is based around my diet and training until I get probably 12 weeks in. By that point IL probably have lost about 12-15lbs of fat and then IL probably bring in the cycle to recomp a bit and then reverse my calories. I gurentee my starting weight of 207 will be around 185 before I hit any kind of roadblocks.

If you fail to plan properly then your planning to fail.

If I were you I would go to trt and drop everything and start over. That would be the absolute smartest thing you could do.

I would taper off the segmaglutide and metformin so your hunger dosent explode and dribk green tea in between meals to blunt your appetite
 
Haven't posted in a while. Sitting at 180 lbs. Pretty happy with it as well. I have about 2 weeks left and will try to creep down to 175ish. My BP has stayed fine pretty much the whole time on this cycle. I would say I for sure put on a little mass despite cutting. My shoulders are looking great. My guess is 12%.

I was at my city's 6 Flags and it has a water world. Was standing in the wave pool with my wife and kids and a random guy came up to me and said "No homo bro but nice bod, all of us looks like a bunch of fatties around you". If my wife wasn't next to me I don't think anyone would have believed me. The dude was not in bad shape either.

Personal notes (with marriage update): Starting on Blasts and Cruise has changed me but for the better. I was asleep at the wheel. I would just wake up, work out, go to work, come upstairs (WFH), do the evening shuffle, watch TV, go to bed. I didn't speak up about my wants in needs, I looked at life as if it will always be there. Always had the attitude of one day I will worry about the things I want. Taking gear woke me up. I fight for what I want. I will not settle and I am motivated to make it happen. It's been great.

Marriage: I had a dead bedroom. Had. Last year we averaged about once every 6 weeks (meaning we had sex about 10 times). It wasn't great sex, wasn't ad either. It was a source of fighting. This year It change because I became vocal about my needs because of gear. It caused 7 months of really shitting fighting. To the point, my marriage almost ended. We got into counseling and it changed everything. The counselor helped us work through things. The counselor was able to explain to my wife that my higher sex drive (was before gear too) is not a want. It is a need and if she wants to be in this relationship for me, she needs to take care of those needs, period (this is like a highly decorated therapist). I in return have my own things I need to do for my wife. It also has really helped with my wife being controlling. I had 0 say in our money. It was always save save save even though I pull a really decent income about 300k+ now (to many we are rich). It was the point where I had to ask permission to buy a $2.13 water enhancer (think of Mio but Kroger brand). I now am planning on not only buying a Tesla SUV for myself but I am shopping for a used Z06 project car likely a C6 with the 427 and will have about 10k to dump in it.

My wife acknowledged unsolicited the other day she understands affection but also sex is a need of mine and not a want. She finally understands. We are having sex 3 times a week (We had sex 3 days in a row this last week). It's great sex. She initiates it about 50% of the time. She talks about it. She vocalizes she enjoys it. She even gets more descriptive about what she likes. It's like she is another person. Sometimes we make love but she has also made it a point to sometime **** my brains out. I don't really understand it all but my wife is a nurse and she really respects healthcare people and their knowledge, so I think it is the counselor telling her no you can't neglect your husband in that way made the difference. It made me feel more in love with her than ever.

I would also like to say I like getting my brains fucked out. It's nice after 10 years of a really crap sex life.
 
I would say if you have only lost 4lbs in 6 weeks then the diet/cycle was a bust, but if you have recomped a lot in that time then it’s great - you will know if you are satisfied with the mirror compared to where you were.

I am very happy to hear you both took the time & effort to work on your marriage, and now you are closer together than you have been in many years. That is one of the best things you can have in life.
 
Hyde said:
I would say if you have only lost 4lbs in 6 weeks then the diet/cycle was a bust, but if you have recomped a lot in that time then it’s great - you will know if you are satisfied with the mirror compared to where you were.

I am very happy to hear you both took the time & effort to work on your marriage, and now you are closer together than you have been in many years. That is one of the best things you can have in life.
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That's a lot of drugs for something you could've done completely natural
 
Hyde said:
I would say if you have only lost 4lbs in 6 weeks then the diet/cycle was a bust, but if you have recomped a lot in that time then it’s great - you will know if you are satisfied with the mirror compared to where you were.

I am very happy to hear you both took the time & effort to work on your marriage, and now you are closer together than you have been in many years. That is one of the best things you can have in life.
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I did recomp. I am happy with where I am in general.. I will go back to trt for about 6 months and then bulk cycle.

I did still get to enjoy some things along the way without strict strict dieting. Its been a good trade-off.
 
DinosaurMuffins said:
I did recomp. I am happy with where I am in general.. I will go back to trt for about 6 months and then bulk cycle.

I did still get to enjoy some things along the way without strict strict dieting. Its been a good trade-off.
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Also thanks for the props on the marriage stuff. What a difference it makes in life to work with your partner.
 
Sorry bout the cycle but congrats on progress in the marriage, that's ultimately way more important
 
Smont said:
Sorry bout the cycle but congrats on progress in the marriage, that's ultimately way more important
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Thanks? Not sure what you mean sorry bout the cycle. Hitting 12% with 2 weeks to go (down another lb this week so far with likely 3 -4 more to go) nothing to be sorry about. Not sure if you are trying to be a dick?

A bunch of people giving me **** over not wanting to fast but about to hit my goals and I still have cheat meals.... Sorry, not sorry.
 
DinosaurMuffins said:
Thanks? Not sure what you mean sorry bout the cycle. Hitting 12% with 2 weeks to go (down another lb this week so far with likely 3 -4 more to go) nothing to be sorry about. Not sure if you are trying to be a dick?

A bunch of people giving me **** over not wanting to fast but about to hit my goals and I still have cheat meals.... Sorry, not sorry.
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I don't do fasting, I'm not sure what your results are other then you saying a bf% but I was basing the results you said in comparison to the cycle you ran and I'd say it wasn't a very successful cycle, im not trying to upset anyoneand if someone being honest bothers you then idk what to tell you . Again, I'm not talking ****, I'm just make a honest observation to what happened vs what the cycle consists of. It was a BIG CYCLE. I'm absolutely not trying to be a dick, but I feel like if you actually got to 12% bf you would be blasting us with update photos showing your results. I don't really care either way. Your gym results and your physique or my physique or anyone's for thst matter means very little to me, its a superficial satisfaction, of course i alway want a better physique but its not reallyimportant. But if your marriage was in a bad spot and you fixed it, that's worth a lot more.

Don't be offended by my cycle comments, I'm a imaginary person on the internet that you will probably never meet in real life so who cares what I say. But I'm not in the business of stroking egos or pretending.

It's constructive criticism that you hopefully can learn from. And the most important thing you can do to better your physique is learn bodybuilding diet and training vs diet snd exercise. When thats locked in the gear will work its magic in very low doses. So hopefully thats helpful Or you can tell me to **** off, that's your choice.

But ultimately I really do wish you the best with your physique and your relationship.

EDIT: I didn't mean to be so repetitive, my kids kept asking me 500 questions while I was typing and I lost my train of thought several times and didn't realize I was repeating myself
 
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