Unanswered DHT for Deca dick?

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Man this ED thing has been so back and forth. One day I’m a porn star and the next I have a limp noodle. Well now I’m just horny all the time but my dick is just at half staff. Can’t keep it up at all. Just half chub for a few minutes then I’m dead from the wait down. Estrogen is good, prolactin is good, I feel good in general except for the whole ED part. I can’t stand it anymore, I’m ready to just drop the Deca. The only thing that I can think it would be is DHN. Upon reading up on it apparently prolactin isn’t the only issue for Deca dick and dihydronandrolone is an issue as well which is why some people still get it even on caber. It has an affinity for androgen receptors in penile tissue and is a vasoconstrictor from what I’ve read. With all that being said I know some people run proviron or var with it to avoid DHN binding. My source closed shop so the only thing I can readily get that’s a DHT would be Epi andro, and it makes me horny as hell! Would this help though? Man I’m dying, gimme a hand here.
 
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Man this ED thing has been so back and forth. One day I’m a porn star and the next I have a limp noodle. Well now I’m just horny all the time but my dick is just at half staff. Can’t keep it up at all. Just half chub for a few minutes then I’m dead from the wait down. Estrogen is good, prolactin is good, I feel good in general except for the whole ED part. I can’t stand it anymore, I’m ready to just drop the Deca. The only thing that I can think it would be is DHN. Upon reading up on it apparently prolactin isn’t the only issue for Deca dick and dihydronandrolone is an issue as well which is why some people still get it even on caber. It has an affinity for androgen receptors in penile tissue and is a vasoconstrictor from what I’ve read. With all that being said I know some people run proviron or var with it to avoid DHN binding. My source closed shop so the only thing I can readily get that’s a DHT would be Epi andro, and it makes me horny as hell! Would this help though? Man I’m dying, gimme a hand here.
You could give Epiandro a try, if you like.
But if it were me, I'd drop the Deca. I don't put up with that crap. LOL.
 

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You could give Epiandro a try, if you like.
But if it were me, I'd drop the Deca. I don't put up with that crap. LOL.
I’m totally dropping the Deca. I hear people don’t have this issue with NPP and I have some laying around so maybe next cycle I’ll try that or EQ. It’ll take about 16 days to clear my system so I’ll keep the test around 425mg and take 250mg Epi oral and use androhard.
 

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You could give Epiandro a try, if you like.
But if it were me, I'd drop the Deca. I don't put up with that crap. LOL.
I’m totally dropping the Deca. I hear people don’t have this issue with NPP and I have some laying around so maybe next cycle I’ll try that or EQ. It’ll take about 16 days to clear my system so I’ll keep the test around 425mg and take 250mg Epi oral and use androhard.
 

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Ive had similiar issues with NPP, Im tempted to just flag nandrolone drugs except for tren and trest from here on out. The idea of experimenting with caber and whatnot just turns me off even more.
 
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I’ve had deca dick. Caber and Proviron wouldn’t solve it. Just dropped the deca and took about a month to month and a half to get right. But a limp noodle is a no go for me. My wife would rather have the train than the gains. Albeit a little train....
 

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I like the gains a lot but I’m on a relatively small dose of Deca. Albeit I respond intensely to androgens, I get the sides pretty harshly as well, at least from what I’ve tried so far.
 
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I have a hard time even running npp when Trest exists. Deca has little value with those two alternatives available. I bet if you swapped to npp, within 2 weeks, problem disappears.
 

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I’d like to experiment with Deca again but I just can’t use long esters, it’ll have to be NPP.
I just banged my wife! Awesome right? Well I was hit or miss horny tonight and could’ve gone without it but honestly in the back of my mind I just want to make sure I can get a hard on. Well I got hard enough to bang her but noticed there towards the end I was really having to focus to stay hard. **** kinda sucked but hell I got off. I’m sure the only reason I could stay hard though was because of the stupid amount of Epi I took. 6 tabs of un-estered Epi and androsterone with 8 pumps of Androhard before the session, like hours before.
 

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I have a hard time even running npp when Trest exists. Deca has little value with those two alternatives available. I bet if you swapped to npp, within 2 weeks, problem disappears.
I just wanna get the stuff out of my system for the moment. Hell in the end it could be me and not the gear, I’m really hoping it’s not and I don’t think it is but only one way to find out. Next run will be with NPP but I just wanna get my dick fully functional again. Might throw in primo for the last bit of this cycle. I have some primo ace in oil that would be fun.
 

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Side note, I definitely shouldn’t have used that much Epi that close to bed because no amount of Benadryl I’ve eaten is making me sleepy and now I’m just hungry as an ox. I have **** to do in the morning lmao.
 

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So random thought. DHN basically narrows the veins in the penis and nandrolone in general is known for arterial narrowing and vasoconstriction as a side effect. My hands (more so the left than the right) have all been going numb and cold suuuuuper quickly all the time lately. I have carpal tunnel so it used to happen a good bit but now with Deca I notice my circulation is traaaaash. Just an interesting thought I had this morning.
I took some maeng da in place of my pain meds and I’m just feeling nice and chatty hahaha.
 

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Ok so good news and bad news. Good news is I woke up with morning wood! Got laid too. Bad news is, middle of sex my hard on just died. I’m almost completely desensitized. Just went soft and died off. Gonna try to get Labs done today although I’m pretty sure I know what the issue is like I said (DHN). The Epi is helping but not that much since it hasn’t been that long.
 

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Check your prolactin.
I’m trying to get that done today but I don’t think that’s it. I’ll give it a shot anyways.
Also I’ve had restless legs and have been taking large doses of Benadryl for years to sleep. Might get on Prami just so I can kill 3 birds with one stone. Heard it really helps with sleep.
 

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Caber, 0.25mg. Took it in the morning, that evening i felt the urge and got a random. Next day it was almost like when i first started exogenous test.
I was on 25 mg/day proviron per day atm, so i believe it was actually the proviron giving the libido boost, caber just lifted the "veil" prolactin was creating.

Just be careful with caber, dont take more than 0.25 x2 per week in the beginning.
It made me borderline hypotensive, that is what scared me a bit. Other than that, slight nausea, which is totally bearable. Oh and insomnia, of course. But pretty much everything gives me insomnia.
I am still on caber but dont feel crazy libido anymore. That is why i believe it was the proviron, as i dont take it anymore.

i didnt take prami but i would go with caber instead of prami.
 

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So I never ask about low prolactin levels. Could below average levels cause issues?
 

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Proviron could be worth looking into. I plan to take it before sex in the following months as obviously my natural test will be wrecked.
 

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Proviron could be worth looking into. I plan to take it before sex in the following months as obviously my natural test will be wrecked.
Currently taking a wild amount of Epi andro, makes my attitude pretty shitty but I’m horny haha. Don’t have enough money to get proviron in after I paid some stuff off. Hoping this finasteride thing does the trick.
 

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Currently taking a wild amount of Epi andro, makes my attitude pretty shitty but I’m horny haha. Don’t have enough money to get proviron in after I paid some stuff off. Hoping this finasteride thing does the trick.
Finasteride, what?? That sh1t is going to lower your DHT further it is a bad idea.
There are all kinds of negative stories about finasteride. Your deca dose is i think 200mg. Your test is at least double that.
I would definitely not take finasteride if i was you.

if it is that bad and dht's arent helping then drop the deca, you should be growing like a weed on 400- 500mg test anyway. I assume you are not pro bb and you are doing this for the quality of life, so why take something that is degrading your quality of life?

Do not take finasteride. It is for those concerned about hair loss but it removes a part of the androgenic component of a cycle.
 
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Finasteride, what?? That sh1t is going to lower your DHT further it is a bad idea.
There are all kinds of negative stories about finasteride. Your deca dose is i think 200mg. Your test is at least double that.
I would definitely not take finasteride if i was you.

if it is that bad and dht's arent helping then drop the deca, you should be growing like a weed on 400- 500mg test anyway. I assume you are not pro bb and you are doing this for the quality of life, so why take something that is degrading your quality of life?

Do not take finasteride. It is for those concerned about hair loss but it removes a part of the androgenic component of a cycle.
Read the thing I posted bro. Should be just enough to lower the DHN so the DHT can bind.
 

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Read the thing I posted bro. Should be just enough to lower the DHN so the DHT can bind.
I read and i dont buy it. You are still going to lower dht, which is necessary for erections.
I still wouldnt do it.
Usually things go exactly the way you didnt expect them to go.

as i said, i would drop the nandrolone if it is bothering you THAT much. Your cholesterol would thank you lol.
 

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@Brain5ick , did you drop the Nandrolone?
Yeah, it’s only been a week since my last pin of it though, two days on stupid amounts of epi which is making me horny and really aggressive but I can’t keep it up.
 

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I wonder if primo or var would help? I have some laying around, I just don’t want to overload with DHTs and have the same issue when I come off.
 

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I personally think that alongside test, proviron and masteron are the most helpful.
And of course keeping e2 and prolactin in check using an ai and a dopamine agonist, if necessary.

Other than that, i have no idea. Who says you wouldnt have problems even if you were off gear? I certainly did.
Since i had very few erections/morning wood between oike 18-22, i am starting to think something got clogged/jammed down there 😁
 

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Also keep us updated on erection size, quality, frequency, or even better, just attach pics.
I was just interested to see where his prolactin was as for me it was a true killer...
i kept crashing my e2 until i decided to check prolactin and realized i needed to take caber and stop abusing exemestane.
 

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I love Var, but I don't think it would really help in this sitiation.
Shhhhh, let me make excuses to run more gear . Only heard it helped from one guy a while back so I honestly don’t think I’ll waste the var.
@Brain5ick keep us updated on your e2 and prolactin levels.
Will do! You know oddly enough, I took .75mg adex and about 300mg P5P today and I’m not sure why but the left nip will absolutely not stop itching.... might just be my tank but I’m not sure. Has only started since I started working out about 2 hours ago.
Also keep us updated on erection size, quality, frequency, or even better, just attach pics.
Of course baby lmao
 

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Oh, and my knees are killing me. I think the Epi is starting to dry the joints out. Over 1000mg of it will do that I guess.
 
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I was just interested to see where his prolactin was as for me it was a true killer...
i kept crashing my e2 until i decided to check prolactin and realized i needed to take caber and stop abusing exemestane.
Ya it will help with the nandrolones faster and more effectively for me too. My AI is for all intensive purposes, for my test dose.
Who knows what network of ancillaries does the trick or they all do synergistically sometimes. That’s why I try to throw one thing at a time and see if it helps, then move onto the next.
But it’s hard when gyno starts popping up to not throw everything youve got at it.
 

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My nipples itch from time to time even when my e2 is crashed.
Must be this hot weather.
 
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PT-141 (along with a pde5 inhibitor) is a 100% fail safe way to obtain porn star status. Has always worked for me on any gear.

I've kinda written off deca though since it takes so much longer to get back to normal. NPP is much better, but I still prefer tren out of all the 19nor's as it keeps sexual functioning very high.
 
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Caber turns me into a porn star. It reduces your refractory period so you can cum again really soon after.

Caber greatly increases your dopamine. You feel better. Better sex. You can concentrate better. Try lowering your deca.

Also, if your libido is there, but no wood, why not just take viagra? Your worried about vasoconsctriction, I think viagra is a vasodilator right
 

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Caber turns me into a porn star. It reduces your refractory period so you can cum again really soon after.

Caber greatly increases your dopamine. You feel better. Better sex. You can concentrate better. Try lowering your deca.

Also, if your libido is there, but no wood, why not just take viagra? Your worried about vasoconsctriction, I think viagra is a vasodilator right
I’ve dropped the Deca. I have not had the same libido but I have some. Oddly enough I could get in the mood but I don’t actually have urges for sex anymore. Sucks. I’m just starting to get that back, noticed it today. My wife came onto me fresh out the shower and I started to get wood but nothing like it used to be. I do think my prolactin may be up but I won’t know until tomorrow after labs. I feel like since dropping the Deca I’m noticing slight improvements but it’s slow obviously. I wake up with some morning wood but as soon as I’m up it goes away after five minutes. Half way into sex it goes soft. It’s so damn frustrating. I have a source sending me some 30mg Cialis to use until the Deca is cleared. I’ll just recap it into 10mgs and start there.
 

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PT-141 (along with a pde5 inhibitor) is a 100% fail safe way to obtain porn star status. Has always worked for me on any gear.

I've kinda written off deca though since it takes so much longer to get back to normal. NPP is much better, but I still prefer tren out of all the 19nor's as it keeps sexual functioning very high.
Yeah I’d try NPP but as far as Deca, never again. Can’t be messing with my junk.
 

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I’ve dropped the Deca. I have not had the same libido but I have some. Oddly enough I could get in the mood but I don’t actually have urges for sex anymore. Sucks. I’m just starting to get that back, noticed it today. My wife came onto me fresh out the shower and I started to get wood but nothing like it used to be. I do think my prolactin may be up but I won’t know until tomorrow after labs. I feel like since dropping the Deca I’m noticing slight improvements but it’s slow obviously. I wake up with some morning wood but as soon as I’m up it goes away after five minutes. Half way into sex it goes soft. It’s so damn frustrating. I have a source sending me some 30mg Cialis to use until the Deca is cleared. I’ll just recap it into 10mgs and start there.
Mine wouldnt even start to get up. I remember that look in the girl's face while she was playing with it, it was like that of a baby that just got out of the cold shower.
Cialis didnt help at all. Becaus it was a desire problem.
Pde 5 helps only if you have libido.

I am still taking caber but i lost my libido again. I wonder if it is because i dropped proviron but who knows.

And i do not have morning wood.
 

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Mine wouldnt even start to get up. I remember that look in the girl's face while she was playing with it, it was like that of a baby that just got out of the cold shower.
Cialis didnt help at all. Becaus it was a desire problem.
Pde 5 helps only if you have libido.

I am still taking caber but i lost my libido again. I wonder if it is because i dropped proviron but who knows.

And i do not have morning wood.
I wanna have sex all the time usually but it’s back and forth now. Getting randoms occasionally so that’s a good sign. I can get it up it’s just not as hard as it should be and goes soft half way through. I’ve never been so frustrated. My wife is SMOKIN! It’s like living with a porn star and you get to have sex every day but never get off.
 

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I wanna have sex all the time usually but it’s back and forth now. Getting randoms occasionally so that’s a good sign. I can get it up it’s just not as hard as it should be and goes soft half way through. I’ve never been so frustrated. My wife is SMOKIN! It’s like living with a porn star and you get to have sex every day but never get off.
I was THIS -->||<-- close to injecting tren ace thinking that it might help but held off. Was thinking hey if proviron is not helping tren probably wont either.

My problem is weird. I want to have sex but i cant get aroused. My reptilian brain doesnt want to have sex, my neocortex does.

On the bright side, if your e2 is in check and your only problem is keeping it hard, then i am sure a combo of caber and cialis will turn you into a freak.
 

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I was THIS -->||
My problem is weird. I want to have sex but i cant get aroused. My reptilian brain doesnt want to have sex, my neocortex does.
Well with the prolactin issue you were having it’s probably good you didn’t! I’m kinda in the same boat though.
 

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Well with the prolactin issue you were having it’s probably good you didn’t! I’m kinda in the same boat though.
Yeah man better to save it up for a recomp next summer.
However, now the problem seems to be something else other than prolactin, as i lost libido again and i am still on caber (initially as i started caber i got horny as hell).
I guess it is me having normal test levels (100mg test e per week) and a lack of proviron.

forgot to say i caught a viral infection last week and just starting to feel better. Also i am iron deficient. It all probably takes a toll on me and my libido.
 

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