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Dermatrest/Androhard/The1 log.

Dragoninho

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I´m about to start a cycle containing Dermatrest from Olympus Labs, Alphahard from Forerunner labs and spice this up with The1 from Olympus labs for a couple of weeks.

The planned mainschedule is:
Dermatrest 25/50/50/50/50/50/50. (first week will actually just be 4-5 days just to get a feeling on the compound)
AlphaHard 6 caps a day for 8 weeks.
The1. Starting from week 3 with 50 mg ED and ramp it up from there depending how I will respond on it in this stack.


I have 1 bottle of Trestobol to "play around" with for PWO, but I´m not sure about this yet. I will also use Formasurge to control estro during cycle.


I´ve a history with both PH´s and AAS but it was more than 3 years since I did a "real" cycle. My last cycle was Androhard for 4 months.

The goal with this cycle is to maintain (hopefully even increase) strength without adding so much weight and increase work capacity.
Some people asked me to log this and now we are here.

I will log this on a weekly basis, Sometimes more often depending if something special happens.

Questions will be answered when time allows it.

I´m an idiot, The title should of course been Alphahard from FRL and not Androhard. Sorry
 
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Following.

That's a serious stack.

I got to 100 mgs. on THE1 and LOVED it!
 
mountainman33 said:
Following.

That's a serious stack.

I got to 100 mgs. on THE1 and LOVED it!
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Well, the stack may look serious but the dosage are pretty low to be honest.
The plan is stick to 50 mg Dermatrest and 6 tabs of AH ED which not contains more than 300 mg of Epiandro/Androsterone, which at least on paper is pretty low.
After some weeks I will start of with 50 mg of The1. Maybe I bump it do 75 mg and probably not go any higher than that. But we´ll see what happens (or not happens).

Started of today with AH and 25 mg of Dtrest. 1/2 ml of Derma is not very much solution to put on :)
 
3th day and of course nothing special but I´ve noticed that I´m holiding some extra water, nothing crazy, but more than usual.
I didn´t plan to use any Formasurge until I started bump the trest dosage but because of the bloat I decided to add one pump yesterday. That gave me 25 mg of formestane and around 20 mg of reservatrol.

I´m very sensitive to low estro (joint pain, mood, libido) so I´m very careful when using AI´s. I can´t use formestane without a aromatizing compound and when I use Arimistane with DAA I can´t go over 25 mg of Arimistane. 12,5 mg is enough in that case

So I´m playing really slowball here with trest since I´ve never used it before.
I have actually never used Alphahard or The1 either but I have used Androhard, Stano, 5-alpha test etc and D-plex before so I hope that it wont be any big surprises in that area.

But I´m a bit skeptical about just the 300 mg Androsterone/epiandro in Alphahard.
To be honest I had planned to use 600 mg of stano-ish product as a base with the trest but misread the ingredients in Alphahard. I thought I got 600 mg with 6 tabs a day, which wasn´t the case.
600 mg of stano and 50-75 mg of D-plex has treated me very well in the past.

But I will roll with this right now and if I think I need bump the dose I will do it during the road. I think that I just could have go with Trest/The1 but I´d like to keep the methyl dosages as possible and I hope to find a good balance between AH and The1.
 
4th day. Didn´t expect any need to log the first days but some smalls things is changing.
*Libido is up. Not crazy, but def. up.
*Good energy during days, even though my work has forced me to work overtime in nights.
*Mood is up.

During workout it feels like strength is slightly up (probably just placebo.. :)) but recovery is definitely up. Much easier to get into the sets faster.
Pretty excited about this cycle if I get results already with this kind of "baby-doses".
 
5th day.
Bumped the Dtrest to 37,5 mg. Planned to go straight to 50 mg but I will do this dosage for some days to see if I feel any difference.

Getting pretty bloated on the evenings for the moment. I have been eating more carbs than usual and I know that trest could have this effect but I bumped the Formasurge to 50 mg as well.

Otherwise things feeling good. The strength is a bit up so probably we getting some CNS stimulation here.
Havn´t done any PR-lifts but did Clean n Jerk with bar for singles on 245 lbs and the felt lighter than usual.
Same with the Deadlifts. Singles on 485 lbs and even the last single felt pretty easy.
Bw has increased with 4,5 lbs.
 
Day 9:

Have increased the Dtrest dosage to 50 mg ED and also increased the Formestane dosage to 75 mg ED. It looks like that dosage ration keeps the bloat at bay. A bit surprised that I need to go up to a higher formestane than trestolone dosage for this. We´ll se what happens when The1 comes into play, if the ration changes anything then.

Otherwise nothing new. Libido is rising about an hour after application, muscle is fuller and recovery between sets is shorter. Good mood and energy.

Have been running and was a bit worried about that trest should affect the running negative, but that hasn´t been a issue yet.
Have noticed a slight increase in pump, especially in the chest area. For me, this isn´t a plus though I´m not into "pumping muscles" but this hasn´t been a issue either.

Another notice is that my joints feels pretty good. I started to use a joint formula with cissus, glucosamine and chondroitin in when cycle started but this product have never ever started to work this fast before, so maybe the trestolone has some effect on lubrication on the joints?
 
Trest is known for aromatizing quite a bit. It is likely increased estrogen causing the joint lube. Also, subbed.
 
You are welcome! ��

Yes, I was aware about trestolones aromatazing properties (I belived...) but obviously it aromatizing more than I expected.
This is no problem and this is one of the reasons why I started really low and increased into the dosage.
I expected to have a 50/50 relationship between forma and trest but I apperantly need a higher ratio towards forma.
I think that I could increase it to 100 mg forma against 50 mg trest but as Dma said: I don't want to dry out completly. Estro has some really nice effects on mood, libido and joints and as I mentioned earlier, I'm pretty sensitive to low estro so right now this feels good.

On monday we will bring in The1.
 
Swolljaboi said:
As long as the effects are all positive let it ride. Soon as your nips get tingly start bathing in that forma.
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I hear ya!
I have some old stuff in the nips, nothing major but I feel them. This far nothing as started to tingle, but I have those babies under observation..

I got Adex and Nolva on hand if things go out of control but I think Forma will take care of most issues *fingers crossed*
 
Day 13:
Started The1 today. Will go by 50 mg ed for a while and see if there is any need for higher dosage. Probably I could go to 75 mg directly, I liked that dosage for D-plex but I´m little concerned about the pumps it will bring.
I already feel a high increase in pumps from Dermatrest and Alphahard so I don´t want this to go out of control so it affect things.
I know this maybe sounds weird for the hardcore gymrats who would kill for some nice pumps during the day, but I´m no bodybuilder so I don´t give a rats*ss for aesthetic or pumps in this case. I just want to be faster and stronger for prolonged time and too much pump just mess things up for me.

Swimming today and I did think that the pumps started to bug me a bit after a while, nothing so I couldn´t continue but still.
No intervals today and I think I have more positive effects during intervals than during the LSD work so I did not expect so much progress during this type of work .
Otherwise.
Increased bodytemperature for sure. Especially after eating carbs. I have pretty high temperature normally but this is a lot more.
The libido is somewhat "normalized" or maybe I just got use to this increased state.
 
Day 15.
Have been feeling kind of ill last days. Not ill as really bad but kind of feverish, tired, hard time sleeping even if I'm tired, higher pulse than normal.
It actually started as I started taking The1, but I never experienced this using Dplex. But I had a sore throat and some headaches during sunday night so it could just be coincidence. I hope things will solve.

But I do experience some kind of a small "rush" I while after taking The1 so I definately get some kind of stimulanting effect from it. Right now, not in a good way but we'll see.

Trainingwise, not much to report. Some small strenght increases but not too much.
The recovery is kind of good. Not need much rest before I could go back to work.
Get pretty winded though, but this could be because a ev. illness.
 
Dma378 said:
Interesting. Hope it picks up and you get feeling better. This stack should be rockin'
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Thank you, actually I feel much better today.
I did my "special cold treatment" yesterday night and woke up pretty fresh. 2 pieces of raw garlic, 1 teaspoon of raw honey, 5 g of vit c and 30 g of glutamine and then a icecold shower before bed.

The1 has already to start doing some things. I have already lost some water and the definition is up. I feeling some more density in the muscles and veins has started to show on the upper back, this usually takes a while.

My appetite is kind of suppressed, I´m not especially hungry anytime of the day. I eat and everything is fine but I usually tend to be very hungry most time of the day.

Also increased my taurine intake to 2 g in the morning and evening and 3 g pre and post workout and I think this have helped a bit with some inconvenient pumps in lower back and forearms.
 
Great workout today.
Good energy and drive! High rep kettlebell clean and jerk made my shoulders explode. The pump was a bit annoying but I was strong during all lifts so it was ok.
The recovery between sets was nothing than great.

Got some shrinkage of the boys, nothing major, they are still hard but smaller.
Had some problems with my first batch of hcg so I'm a bit late in with that but got new stuff arriving soon so I hope that will take care of the little problem(s)
 
Offday today so just a small update.
My lump under my right nipple has increased a bit in size (balls shrinking, breasts growing, everything is upsidedown how it should be ;)).
No big thing, just a bit, it doesn't hurt or so.. Yet.
But I decreased the Dtrest dosage to 37,5 mg again and increase The1 to 75 mg Ed. We'll see if what happens with that ratio.

Another notice. Libido is... weird. It goes from pretty high to pretty low in just a few hours. Has probably something to do with changes in estrogen levels.
No really concern, just a notice.
 
Good to know. By all rights The 1 and Trest should keep libido normal at least. Don't know anything about the Andro
 
Dma378 said:
Good to know. By all rights The 1 and Trest should keep libido normal at least. Don't know anything about the Andro
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Libido would be higher I imagine. I was accosting my girlfriend constantly when I was running THE1.
 
All three of the products suppose to have a increase on the libido and it sure has. But it fluctuating a lot. And I think it´s harder to finish off during the act.

Started up the HCG today. Started off with 1000iu though I was late in with it. Will shoot 500 iu next week and then go for 250 iu e4d the rest of the cycle.

Thinking about to maybe increase The1 dosage to 100 mg... not sure though I don´t want to go crazy with the methyls.
I have a rule about never go over 50 mg ed with orals. But honestly thats pretty hard to follow when you deal with PH´s.
Do anyone know how big difference it is between different methylPh´s in act of harshness for the liver and cholesterol? Or is all we know just broscience and we go with "ah, mild compounds like h-drol etc is easier on the body than m1t so you can easily go 100 mg+ with that..."
 
I think things has starten to work. Strength is coming! Did some bench today. I´m a really weak benchpresser, it is almost embarrassing. 220 lbs is more or less what I can manage any day of the week. Ok, it has never been a goal for me but I have realized that I need to fill this gap.
So I did a benchmark today to see what we are to date and 245 lbs was not flying up but I didn´t have to grind it. Lost contact with the bench for a short while during the lift so I need to back off a little bit but I think this was a improvement.

Deads. 485 for easy doubles. Thank you.

Farmers walks 2x105 lbs for 300 m with a short mid rest.
 
Short distance running today.
5k on 20,5 min flat. Not good, but not really bad either though I havn't done so much fast tracks lately. And it was some nasty hills during this track. But I need to come down to 19 min on the same distance.

Libido has dropped but the lump under the right nipple has shrinked as well so maybe the estro level had dropped a bit too low.
 
Did catch a nasty stomach bug or something like that during the hollidays. Not fun at all. But I think I´m back on track, just a few pounds lighter...

I still think that my levels fluctuates a bit during the day so I will try to apply the Dermatrest twice daily instead and see if that makes any difference. Will do 2x30 ml.

I have also increased my Alphahard dosage to 9 tabs a day (3x3). I preferably don´t want to increase the methyldosage so I choose to up the Ahard instead of The1.

Will have 3 hard weeks in front of me in front of the competition so now it´s important to keep things together and stay healthy.
 
Midcycle update.

Overall this cycle has treated me well. I have been a bit too complicated in this cycle with the dosage but I´m done playing around and now I will go to the bitter end with this.

I haven´t felt so many side effects more than a fluctuation in libido, some small increase in acne, bloat when eat carbs, higher bodytemperature and some strange feeling of being a bit "hyper".. Sometimes it has felt like everything in the body going on overspeed.
I also have started to get some small digestion problem when I eat fat... I use to get this problem running methyls and thats probably during the extra stress on the liver and this was expected.
Some small problems with insomnia now and then and even if this not by fact is a side effect of the cycle I do think the hormones has something to do with it.
Appetite slightly decreased.
Sometimes I feel a bit slow in the head... I use to be pretty quick-witted but during this weeks I have felt slow.
But none of the above is anything crazy.

And for the funny part.
* Strength increases is more than expected. I can feel burned out and empty but I can still increase the working weights.
* Recovery is great. Going fast to recover between sets and even after really heavy workouts I´m good to go the day after.
* Mood and energy is overall good. The days with the insomnia is of course a bit unbalanced but it is no biggie at this very moment.
* Muscle hardness is up.

It feels like things have, as people like to say, "kicked in", I can feel things working. Let´s see what the upcoming weeks will give.
 
New PR frontsquat and bench. Havn't done any attempts for PR in deads yet but it will be there.
Will not pull 3xBW this cycle unfortunately but I think I will get it during next one.

Dosing Dermatrest 2x daily was a good idea. Feels like the levels is more stabile. But I think that I still want a real testbase in my cycles.
I understand why people like trest for "test" base but for me, test will never be replaced.
I get very bloated of trest, even just a moderate amount of carbs and now I use just a small trest dose.

Lump under the right nipple is more or less gone, at least back to what it was before the cycle.
 
Dragoninho said:
New PR frontsquat and bench. Havn't done any attempts for PR in deads yet but it will be there.
Will not pull 3xBW this cycle unfortunately but I think I will get it during next one.

Dosing Dermatrest 2x daily was a good idea. Feels like the levels is more stabile. But I think that I still want a real testbase in my cycles.
I understand why people like trest for "test" base but for me, test will never be replaced.
I get very bloated of trest, even just a moderate amount of carbs and now I use just a small trest dose.

Lump under the right nipple is more or less gone, at least back to what it was before the cycle.
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yeah twice a day is the way to go!!
 
100mg on THE 1 is where it's at.
 
EBF_2356 said:
100mg on THE 1 is where it's at.
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I know that many people find the sweetspot at 100 mg for The1. And what I can remember I liked D-plex at that dosage as well.
But I want to keep the methyls at the lower end and I think the cycles content of Alphahard makes up for the a bit lower dosage of The1.
Maybe I would get even better effect with the higher dosage but right now things looks to turn out pretty well without any bigger sides so it´s not the time to become greedy...
 
Dragoninho said:
I know that many people find the sweetspot at 100 mg for The1. And what I can remember I liked D-plex at that dosage as well.
But I want to keep the methyls at the lower end and I think the cycles content of Alphahard makes up for the a bit lower dosage of The1.
Maybe I would get even better effect with the higher dosage but right now things looks to turn out pretty well without any bigger sides so it´s not the time to become greedy...
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That's up to you and sounds fine by my. Enjoy
 
Dragoninho said:
I know that many people find the sweetspot at 100 mg for The1. And what I can remember I liked D-plex at that dosage as well. But I want to keep the methyls at the lower end and I think the cycles content of Alphahard makes up for the a bit lower dosage of The1. Maybe I would get even better effect with the higher dosage but right now things looks to turn out pretty well without any bigger sides so it´s not the time to become greedy...
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From what u feel comfortable with.. You can always increase as u go
 
I just have two weeks to go before starting bridging into PCT so I will give The1 a shot at the 100 mg... damn you guys, this one is on you.

This far, strength increases for each single session. This is quite impressive though I don´t train for maximal strength increases in this period.

I´ve gained around 8 pounds and there is just lean mass and water.
It´s a bit up and down depending on the carb intake. As soon as I eat more carbs than usually the weight goes up with a pound or so. Have never been sensitive to carbs before but I think I can blame Dtrest for this. No big issue but it´s really visibly.

Last sessions was running intervalls. I don´t think I get any advantage in the running from this cycle. For longer distances there is a slight negative effect, but that could be a side effect from the increased weight and not necessarily from the compounds themselves.
 
My cardio always suffers on cycle. The only thing I ever took that didn't hurt my cardio endurance was Ostar1ne.
 
I´ve actually being able to keep my cardio on cycles, not all of them but some of them. Small dose T-prop and anavar has been good in this matter.
And I agree on Ostarine (and S4 actually), they were pretty good for the cardio.
Don´t remember how it was on D-plex though, I choose it this time cause from what I can remember it didn´t affect my cardio.

And, it hasn´t affected it much, I´m still able to do ok times for up to 10-15 K, but I will not PR in this events during this cycle.
 
Sorry for the lack of updates the latest weeks. Got in to some serious trouble but I´m back on track again.

The cycle is over and I´ve started the PCT.
Overall the cycle did what it suppose to do, I got stronger, I increased muscle, I recovered better from workouts and without any deeper side effects during cycle.
Fast shifting up and down in libido and energy levels and very prone to hold water is the biggest side effects I experienced, and of course shrinking of the boys.

Now it´s maybe not so interesting anymore with comments on the products (because of the ban) and there is not much new under the sun but this is some things that easy come in mind after this cycle:
Alphahard: Not a bad product, but low dosed. I wouldn´t run it under 9 tabs a day again even in a stack. Would be interesting to see what 12 tabs a day would do.
Dermatrest: Potent as ****!! Already on 50 mg ED I could definitely feel and see things going on, and the effects comes quickly. A bit tricky to keep the levels balanced but 2 dosing a day made a big difference.
The1:Descent product! Strength and hardness with good mood. Of course, methylated which put a lot of stress on the body which I started to feel around w 4-5. I ramped this dosage up from 50 mg and hoped to get away with 50-75 mg. But honestly, at 100 mg things started to happen really fast so 100 mg is at least a sweet spot for me.

I´m happy with the combination of the cycle and I would definitely try it again with some small changes. I would like to try to have "a real" test base instead of dermatrest so the base is for ex. 4-AD, Alphahard and Dermatrest and then just use The1 as a finisher the last 4 weeks. But that will probably never happen so keep dreaming.
 
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