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ironhands said:
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Come and sit on the couch ironhands, before your being gives up on all sanity you need to explain something to us. Can you list the criteria required when assuming someone is natty? And before you do we will omit some obvious failings first.

1 person claims they are natty (doesn't mean they are natty)

2 person doesn't look like a mass monster with zero bodyfat (doesn't mean they are natty)

3 persons trainer/friend/associate claims they are natty (doesn't mean they are natty)

4 person claims to have never touched a steroid (doesn't mean they don't use hgh clen, sarms, prohormones, peptides and doesn't mean they don't always get someone else to do injections for them, they wouldn't be lying they have never touched a steroid, doesn't mean they are natty)

Mike ohearn is a great example of this, I realise you have omitted him at the moment based on his abuse of non effective herbal supplements but whenever he is asked if he is natural his answer is never "yes I'm 100% natural" it's always "when I was 16 I weighed 260 lbs" (so? Arnie took steroids in his teens, doesn't answer the question) then "people are always wanting to say its steroids, they think steroids is the answer, I'm flattered they think I'm on steroids because it's a compliment to all the hard work I put in to look the way I do" (still not answering the question) then the classic "do you think I would risk long term health just to boost my muscle mass with copious amounts of steroids when people can gey great results without them?" still doesn't answer the question. These are all things he has said in interviews, he isn't lying here it's reversal of questions and switching the focus but it still does not answer the question.

5 person has never talked about using steroids. (this means you can include 90% of ifbb pros in this thread. Doesn't mean they are natural. Paul dillet, Lee labrada, serge nubret, Mike menzer, Marcus rule etc. You could say "but you can tell these guys are not natural just by looking at them" but then that highlights the flaw in your entire thread, see point 2)

Its great that you believe steroids are not a necessity. They are very risky and in most cases you cannot maintain the results when off. You are right, you don't need steroids to get in great shape. The problem is posting pics of people you can't prove are natty is sending the wrong message, not the right one.

Let's try a little harder shal we and become honest, genuine people, we can do it together. I believe in you ironhands you will get there.
 
Wobmarvel said:
Come and sit on the couch ironhands, before your being gives up on all sanity you need to explain something to us. Can you list the criteria required when assuming someone is natty? And before you do we will omit some obvious failings first.

1 person claims they are natty (doesn't mean they are natty)

2 person doesn't look like a mass monster with zero bodyfat (doesn't mean they are natty)

3 persons trainer/friend/associate claims they are natty (doesn't mean they are natty)

4 person claims to have never touched a steroid (doesn't mean they don't use hgh clen, sarms, prohormones, peptides and doesn't mean they don't always get someone else to do injections for them, they wouldn't be lying they have never touched a steroid, doesn't mean they are natty)

Mike ohearn is a great example of this, I realise you have omitted him at the moment based on his abuse of non effective herbal supplements but whenever he is asked if he is natural his answer is never "yes I'm 100% natural" it's always "when I was 16 I weighed 260 lbs" (so? Arnie took steroids in his teens, doesn't answer the question) then "people are always wanting to say its steroids, they think steroids is the answer, I'm flattered they think I'm on steroids because it's a compliment to all the hard work I put in to look the way I do" (still not answering the question) then the classic "do you think I would risk long term health just to boost my muscle mass with copious amounts of steroids when people can gey great results without them?" still doesn't answer the question. These are all things he has said in interviews, he isn't lying here it's reversal of questions and switching the focus but it still does not answer the question.

5 person has never talked about using steroids. (this means you can include 90% of ifbb pros in this thread. Doesn't mean they are natural. Paul dillet, Lee labrada, serge nubret, Mike menzer, Marcus rule etc. You could say "but you can tell these guys are not natural just by looking at them" but then that highlights the flaw in your entire thread, see point 2)

Its great that you believe steroids are not a necessity. They are very risky and in most cases you cannot maintain the results when off. You are right, you don't need steroids to get in great shape. The problem is posting pics of people you can't prove are natty is sending the wrong message, not the right one.

Let's try a little harder shal we and become honest, genuine people, we can do it together. I believe in you ironhands you will get there.
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it's 'impossible'' to ''prove'' who is natty and who isn't. but i go by what they say. if they say they are natty i believe it
 
ironhands said:
it's 'impossible'' to ''prove'' who is natty and who isn't. but i go by what they say. if they say they are natty i believe it
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Okay at least we know. That's a lot of trust you have in people's word but that's for you to decide. Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post.

Have a great Xmas!
 
Wobmarvel said:
Okay at least we know. That's a lot of trust you have in people's word but that's for you to decide. Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post.

Have a great Xmas!
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yw, you too. only someone truly ''crooked'' and ''corrupt'' would flat out ''lie'' and claim to be natty when he knows damn well he's on test booster or prohormones
 
ironhands said:
yw, you too. only someone truly ''crooked'' and ''corrupt'' would flat out ''lie'' and claim to be natty when he knows damn well he's on test booster or prohormones
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That is true but a lot are. If they are sponsored by supplement companies they will be told that regardless what they do behind closed doors they must not admit to taking peds.
 
Young dorian yates was natty (if you look closely you can tell that's also the one on the left). A champion would be the champion with or without the drugs according to dorian. Invalid Link Removed
 
Ronnie Coleman was natural here (if we use the "if they claim natural we must believe them" rule) Invalid Link Removed
 
Well at least now we know what his criteria is. I guess no one ever commits a crime either because most convicts say they didn’t do it. It’s great he has such faith in humanity but must make life really challenging to believe everything he hears.
 
People have a very twisted view of what's achievable. Most people don't have 6 pack, that's for skinny guys or athletes with perfect diets. You don't improve with age, eating a little different or working out harder isn't gonna turn you in to a monster. You can look better than the average but the average doesn't even work out. I've been working out forever.. Diets? Tried them all, workouts? done em all.. You know what your body can achieve naturally and it's not even close to any professional bodybuilder. You need gear to be like these guys and if you don't believe me.. Look at the natural bodybuilders and compare. I would without sounding like a narcissistic dick have no problem competing with these. It's not because of genetics or diets cause these guys eat and workout with perfection.. It's because I've used gear and they haven't.

Talking about natural bodybuilders, I'm extremly impressed and sceptic to if many are natty because they look amazing yet Miles away from anyone like flex, Arnold etc
 
at the end of the day, i am natty, i'm 100% natty and i don't take testosterone booster, prohormones or steroids, and i know what i look like
 
ironhands said:
at the end of the day, i am natty, i'm 100% natty and i don't take testosterone booster, prohormones or steroids, and i know what i look like
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Yeah but none of us know what you look like, so why dont you show us all what a complete natty can achieve
 
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