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Dedicated to natural bodybuilders

ironhands said:
if mike took test booster, then no he ain't natty and he's removed from this thread now. and why do i look up to great bodybuilders like arnold? why not? i discovered bodybuilding thanks to them. i don't believe if someone takes steroids they are the ''devil'' or something like that, i just admire true natty bodybuilder and powerlifters more, people like jeff willet, skip lacour, paul anderson, etc
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All digs at ironhands aside I would like to say that I have total and utter respect for this statement. I would add however that a lot of the "natty" athletes on here probably have taken natural test boosters if not actual gear since you can do that and still pass natty tests for competition. Just my opinion though of course.
 
But see that’s the point. Most of these people you are posting aren’t natural. You are either really naive or trolling us I just don’t know which one it is. I’m glad you admire them but admire them for what they are. Not one in a million could possible develop physics like that natural.
 
From Skip's own words on another board he use to post on:

Preparation for the Northern Colorado (April 6th 2002)*
18 weeks of contest prep*
Starting weight: 241*
Approximate contest weight: 195*

Starting gear use:*
Sustanon @ 250mg./week*
Anavar @ 30mg. ED*
 
DemntedCowboy said:
From Skip's own words on another board he use to post on:

Preparation for the Northern Colorado (April 6th 2002)*
18 weeks of contest prep*
Starting weight: 241*
Approximate contest weight: 195*

Starting gear use:*
Sustanon @ 250mg./week*
Anavar @ 30mg. ED*
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i don't believe this.
 
i already talked to mike about this whole natty issue, he confessed to me he took ''testosterone booster'', but he insisted that this is not ''steroids'', that this is natural supplement, herbal stuff like tribulus, etc. i told him that i still ''respect'' him for motivating me for so many years, but that i ''refuse'' to take such supplements. he said ''thank you for the support'' i said ''yw bro''
 
So you never answered my question. How do you determine who is natural, and don’t tell me you talked to them on YouTube.
 
ironhands said:
i don't believe this.
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This is what he said:

THIS MONTH’S SUPPLEMENT SPOTLIGHT:

MY FEELINGS ABOUT PRO-HORMONES

** * The question if whether hormone boosters, or pro-hormones, are considered "drug-free" or "natural" in regards to the status of bodybuilders is far and away the #1 inquiry that I receive. I assume that his question is being asked so much is because of baseball’s homerun king Mark Mc Guire's recent success and the controversy over pro-hormones that the media has been playing up lately.

** * The controversy of their use certainly can’t be caused by the bodybuilding and fitness magazines, as the all of them heavily promote and advertise these products. Heck, the September 1998 issue of Natural Muscle had ads from 14 different supplement companies and two editorials on the subject of pro-hormones. Again, that was "Natural" Muscle magazine!!!

** * Natural bodybuilders everywhere are asking themselves the same questions. "Am I still considered a natural bodybuilder if I use these supplements?" Many of these drug-free lifters are even starting to feel guilty and are shamefully hiding the fact that they use or have used pro-hormones.

** * Personally, I think this is a ridiculous reaction to this "controversy.".

** * My philosophy on "drug-free" or "natural" in regards to supplementing your bodybuilding diet would be defined as any supplement that is NOT determined illegal by the bodybuilding organization that you compete in, or is NOT determined illegal by city, state, or federal laws is considered "drug-free" "natural."

** * So relax! If you have used pro-hormones in the past or use them now, you are not doing anything wrong in my humble opinion. When you stop and think about it, how "natural" is creatine, vanadyl sulfate, or Vitamin C for that matter? Would natural be considered just eating regular food?

** * These are questions you need to answer for yourself. But, as I stated before, if it’s not banned or considered illegal, natural bodybuilders can use pro-hormones and still be considered drug-free.

** * As far as I know, hormone products are not currently banned by any bodybuilding organization. *The World Natural Bodybuilding Federation (WNBF), however, will be banning these products beginning January 1st, 1999. And, pro-hormones are already banned by the International Olympic Committee (IOC), the NCAA, and the NFL. I also believe they are banned by some powerlifting organizations.

** * I certainly don’t think you should take pro-hormones illegally if you belong to any of these organizations—no question about it in my book!

** * You should also be warned that Norandrostenedione shows up as the steroid Nanedrolone (the generic name for Deca) on urine drug tests. This past year, a lot of drug-free bodybuilders and powerlifters have been busted due to their use of legal pro-hormones.

** * As for myself, I don't use pro-hormones anymore because they are considered illegal by the International Olympic Committee. The IFBB follows the rules of the IOC for the World Amateur Championships and the Pan American Games. And, I don't think I'll ever use them again because my final goals as a competitive bodybuilder are to participate in the World Amateur Championships, Pan American Games, and the Olympics (if bodybuilding ever gets included while I am young enough to compete!), which all follow the rules of the IOC.

** * But, that’s me and my particular circumstances.

** * If you decide to use pro-hormones, you may suffer grief sometime in the future from militant drug-free bodybuilders. I can see it now: All the self-righteous natural bodybuilders of the future will want to "shame" you if you've used these supplements if they ever become illegal.

** * Years from now, they will want to say that your gains came, not from years of hard work, but from the pro-hormones that you've taken in the past. Oh well….this is just one more way the bodybuilding community can divide itself even further. I sure hope none of you will participate in that nonsense!

** * As far as their effectiveness is concerned, I'm really not sure to be honest. Jeff Everson, a person whose opinion I respect, feels that these products are not even close to steroid-like effectiveness. He says they are about 1/500th the effectiveness of steroids. Paul Delia, president of AST Sports Science, says that figure is way too low.

** **One thing is certain: These are by far the fastest-selling bodybuilding supplements currently being sold! If you do not compete in an organization that bans these supplements or don't have any moral reservations, you may wish to try them and judge pro-hormones for yourself.
 
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