Debating on coming off Trt
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hairygrandpa
Legend
Could work! It converts to DHT.
hanslifts
Member
Awesome! Thanks for the feedback. I’ve been wanting to add it to my TRT regiment as I start a cut for an upcoming powerlifting meet.
My current regimen is as follows:
160mg Test Cyp once per week (Trying to get it prescribed so I can split dose twice a week)
.25mg Arimidex E3D
2 pumps Dermacrine daily
I was wondering if the Androhard would allow me to go in a slight deficit and still keep strength.
kl1234
Member
Kisaj, have you used proviron before? If so, could you compare? As I age- I find it harder to get myself to purchase “gray market products”. So if this is a winner- I may pick some up. Thx
kenpoengineer
Well-known member
That’s quite a high dose of arimidex. Have you had estradiol bloodwork done? I wouldn’t expect you to have to use more than 0.25 mg arimidex every 4 days.
hanslifts
Member
Yep! I implemented HCG in the fall and hated it... water retention, puffy nipples, felt gross. So I mistakenly and idiotically upped my Arimidex to .5mg three times a week. That crashed me pretty good, so I pulled off all Arimidex for 6 weeks and tested at 36.
And my mistake, I wrote EOD in my post above when it is in fact E3D. But back to your question, .25mg E3D is what worked for me before we implemented HCG, and I tested at 32. I feel good again, like I did before, so I think I’m fine and we will see when I get another retest in a few weeks.
kisaj
Legend
It absolutely will. I’ve dropped maintenance calories by 1000- sitting around 3000 and strength is absolutely not impacted and cardio is actually improved. We do a lot of backcountry snowboarding and requires tons of hiking, so I work in 30-45 min HIIT at the end of weight training and have not experienced any issues with fatigue.
kisaj
Legend
I have not so I couldn’t compare. All I know is that Androhard is some pretty great stuff for DHT benefits.
kisaj
Legend
I have not so I couldn’t compare. All I know is that Androhard is some pretty great stuff for DHT benefits.
bruno.camilo
Member
Ye, i am working in Brazil and here there is only underground proviron like in Usa.
hanslifts
Member
trn450
Member
The big problem with TRT is many people use it inappropriately. I'll never understand how people without hypogonadism think the taking replacement levels of testosterone will somehow improve them. :/ It's nonsensical. And, then they risk of requiring it forever as there is not guarantee they can restart the HPGA.
Is it safe? In my estimation, yes when appropriately dosed. At worst, the literature suggests there "might" be an increased risk of cardiovascular disease. I'm a fan of the 2015 VA study which looked at 80,000+ vets. Separated into groups of (1) untreated, (2) inadequately treated, and (3) adequately treated there was a step wise improvement in outcomes with treatment. To be fair, however, the VA had a study in 2013 that showed a a possible increase in risk, but this is a debatable conclusion. Before they "adjusted" data the TRT group had a lower risk than the non-TRT group. After they adjusted data for many naturally associated medical conditions they found that there was a slight elevation in the risk of cardiovascular disease related event.
Having said all that, in the event where there is so much controversy over whether or not there is benefit or risk, you get the impression that the total impact is relatively small. And, in that context, I personally advocate doing what provides the best quality of life.
Is it safe? In my estimation, yes when appropriately dosed. At worst, the literature suggests there "might" be an increased risk of cardiovascular disease. I'm a fan of the 2015 VA study which looked at 80,000+ vets. Separated into groups of (1) untreated, (2) inadequately treated, and (3) adequately treated there was a step wise improvement in outcomes with treatment. To be fair, however, the VA had a study in 2013 that showed a a possible increase in risk, but this is a debatable conclusion. Before they "adjusted" data the TRT group had a lower risk than the non-TRT group. After they adjusted data for many naturally associated medical conditions they found that there was a slight elevation in the risk of cardiovascular disease related event.
Having said all that, in the event where there is so much controversy over whether or not there is benefit or risk, you get the impression that the total impact is relatively small. And, in that context, I personally advocate doing what provides the best quality of life.
2kvette
Active member
I’d be willing to bet p-values were hacked; and they probably had to reach quite the level of power to detect even a small risk.
trn450
Member
Perhaps. I may be biased, but it surely sounds fishy. And, this is one of those instances where I wish I was more well trained in statistics. I plan on digging through the study in more detail one day. lol
Destroying
Member
Is that new? I thought gear wAs readily available at the pharmacy in your country.
bruno.camilo
Member
Legal testosterone requires medical prescription here. Only underground gear all around Brazil is accessible.
Destroying
Member
Your wife is flat out wrong. You have your kids already? And primary???? TRT is male anti aging level 1. Without it you’ll start to fall apart, especially if you are primary.
bruno.camilo
Member
perfect post. Is like when u are dating a girl or married for like 10 years, and met a new girl. Same feeling, a good feeling of anxiety, lol.