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RobInKuwait said:
I feel so weak seeing how much everybody else deadlifts, at 6'4 and 254lbs, 365X4 is my best and that was about 6 months ago:sad:. I have bad luck with deads (or maybe bad form) as I always seem to hurt myself, and nothing is worse than lower back injuries:frustrate . I also do them like Bean does, on a platform so I get that full ROM.
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I agree about taking more time between dead days to rest, or alternating light/heavy, but also I suspect your right to think about your form as the issue. Your height can also work against you. You obviously have a longer distance to move the weight, though that can be offset with your advantageous leverage. Depends on your personal measurements (arm length, leg length, etc.)

But you can certainly work on form with higher rep sets: butt down, weight back, focusing on pulling the weight back instead of up... deads are tough. Just give yourself good reps - you'll find your gains.

Are you also doing rack pulls and good morning and other support movements?
 
ZackMurphy said:
I agree about taking more time between dead days to rest, or alternating light/heavy, but also I suspect your right to think about your form as the issue. Your height can also work against you. You obviously have a longer distance to move the weight, though that can be offset with your advantageous leverage. Depends on your personal measurements (arm length, leg length, etc.)

But you can certainly work on form with higher rep sets: butt down, weight back, focusing on pulling the weight back instead of up... deads are tough. Just give yourself good reps - you'll find your gains.

Are you also doing rack pulls and good morning and other support movements?
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I'm just coming off an injury to my lower back (from deads....imagine that:think:). Basically, I was cranking out the last rep of my second set of 8 reps at a heavy weight and my lower back slipped a little bit. That night I couldn't move. Not the first time this has happened to me.

I think like you and grant said, if I alternate between heavy and light deads that may be the way to go. I'm also toying with the idea of alternating between one week deadlifts, one week squats. About the supporting movements, no I'm not doing any outside of the leg work and lower back work that I normally do (aka hamstring curls, occasionally back extensions).
 
RobInKuwait said:
I'm just coming off an injury to my lower back (from deads....imagine that:think:). Basically, I was cranking out the last rep of my second set of 8 reps at a heavy weight and my lower back slipped a little bit. That night I couldn't move. Not the first time this has happened to me.

I think like you and grant said, if I alternate between heavy and light deads that may be the way to go. I'm also toying with the idea of alternating between one week deadlifts, one week squats. About the supporting movements, no I'm not doing any outside of the leg work and lower back work that I normally do (aka hamstring curls, occasionally back extensions).
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Man, actual injuries can be devastating. Just got over a fairly minor lumbar injury myself, and it floored me for a week, then impacted my workouts for another month. Glad you're on the road back.

All the more reason, as you suggest, to keep reps higher and weight light, and to vary your low-back impact movements as much as possible. Deads, SLDLs, squats, good mornings, hyperextensions, power shrugs, rack pulls, anything you can think of to work on each little bit of the basic movement.

Depends what your goals are, of course. If you want to get big, then one could make a case for NOT doing deads - at least not very heavy. Just work on progressive resistance, and you're set. But if you want to inc. your strength numbers, then variety will be your key to safety and gains.

Back injuries. The worst.
 
I don't do deadlifts more than once a month man. You don't need to do deads often. I do a lot of heavy back work, lots of squat work, and *presto* my deadlift goes up. I do some light pull work for singles maybe once a week just to practice form, and I also like to do stiff legged deadlifts on a platform with light weight (say 225-245ish) for upwards of 30-35 reps every once in a rare while. It sucks ass - but it's probably good for me :D

None of the guys I train with does deads often, we're all pulling in the low 700s or high 600s, heck we even have a chick who weighs 130 who pulls like 380.
 
update on deadlifts,
I pr'd yesterday,
I was with this young guy who i rarely WO with, i pulled 520 at 220bw,with a belt, and some slipknot
I was good for 540, i decided to save it for the next heavy dead session in about three weeks or so,
Oh i was stoked!
 
congrats on a new PR kelsey

got one myself last week, my old best single was 505 about 11 weeks ago, got 585 last week.... 1-test does a body good!
 
Here is an example that I alternate every week (1 week heavy, next week light, repeat.... the weight numbers are from my last 2 workouts) I work my back (and bis and a little shoulder work) every monday and my chest (and tris) every thursday. Im taking a break from squats for a while

Pullups (wide grip)

11
7
5

Deadlifts
135x10
185x7
225x5
275x5
300x2

Next week
Pullups (wide grip):
12

8
6
2

Deadlifts
80 x 10(warmup)
95x 10 (warmup)
225x11
225x7
225x6
225x7
225x5
 
DAMN we got some jacked bros on our board.

With only a couple of exceptions I have never seen anyone even go to 315 on dead lifts.


Except of course me ;)
 
DAMN we got some jacked bros on our board.

With only a couple of exceptions I have never seen anyone even go to 315 on dead lifts.
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I hardly see anyone deadlifting or doing heavy squats at my gym...
 
I have 2 squatters at my gym, I spoted a big guy doing 310x2 once.

There is a female wjho does box squats, and a wierd guy that uses 300+ for quarter squats. Its funny to watch!.

I have still yet to see anyone doing Deads/SLDL
 
meathead1987 said:
I have 2 squatters at my gym, I spoted a big guy doing 310x2 once.

There is a female wjho does box squats, and a wierd guy that uses 300+ for quarter squats. Its funny to watch!.

I have still yet to see anyone doing Deads/SLDL
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Fearsome!
 
5/11--235-- squat 550 ,410 bench,deadlift 575 -- 51 years old.have pulled 800 out of the racks top of kneecap.
 
BigVrunga said:
I hardly see anyone deadlifting or doing heavy squats at my gym...
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wow if your ever in Paducah Kentucky just stop by energy fitness(gay name, I know..LOL) but i promise you will see some strong bro's in there, we have a lot of competitve body builders, and a couple of power lifters, the funny thing is no one give's a **** about "how much you bench" it always..."well how much can you squat and deadlift?" not to say there aren't some damn good benchers in there, its just it's all about sqatting and deadlifting in there! I just wish the owners of the gym weren't such uppidy assholes!
 
b-boy said:
wow if your ever in Paducah Kentucky just stop by energy fitness(gay name, I know..LOL) but i promise you will see some strong bro's in there, we have a lot of competitve body builders, and a couple of power lifters, the funny thing is no one give's a **** about "how much you bench" it always..."well how much can you squat and deadlift?" not to say there aren't some damn good benchers in there, its just it's all about sqatting and deadlifting in there! I just wish the owners of the gym weren't such uppidy assholes!
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I'll have to visit next time I go to see family.

My DL just went up to 350x5 since I started using straps, oh wait 395 if you count the bar.

At my gym there is a bunch of guys that do the 1/4 squat and there is only one other person I've seen doing deads and he does them every freakin day. He's pretty strong at em but that is all I've seen him do.
 
that's very "pavelesque"

deads don't have a significant eccentric movement, so you can easily do them every day

when i was doing solely olympic lifting training, we did pulls every day (and squats) and pulls are basically speed deadlifts, kind of

it's not an optimal plan for hypertrophy, but it's very "grease the groove" and it works to get your deadlifting weight up
 
Heck yea but he's strong at em. He'll do rack deads one day then full deads the next, non-lockout deads, I think I saw him doing singles one day. Dude must weigh about 180 but I've seen him do over 400 for reps.
 
jjjd said:
that's very "pavelesque"

deads don't have a significant eccentric movement, so you can easily do them every day

when i was doing solely olympic lifting training, we did pulls every day (and squats) and pulls are basically speed deadlifts, kind of

it's not an optimal plan for hypertrophy, but it's very "grease the groove" and it works to get your deadlifting weight up
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i couldn't disagree more, deads put a TREMENDOUS stress on your CNS, you need time to recover from them, not to mention the back is a huge muscle that needs time to recover
 
well you can disagree all you like. i know enough people who do deads every day/workout (louie simmons notwithstanding) and continually make progress.

doing deads every day is not the problem. you just have to adjust your loading parameters to take into account the greater frequency

but you are using a bber paradigm "the back is a huge muscle that needs time to recover".

people who do deads every day are using a suboptimal routine for hypetrophy (obviously), and are not working under the muscle group paradigm (generally) but under the movement paradigm.

all muscles need time to recover, but recovery is not linear, and as the bulgarians et al clearly prove, muscles can be worked out before they are "fully recovered" as a bber would think

i also suggest you look at a korte routine, where lifters work the bench, squat and deadlift every day they workout. it's very effective

the proof is in the results
 
well i'll take a look at the "korte routine" as you suggest, it just goes against most everything i've read and learned from the likes of DC and ironaddict, but i always like to learn
 
fair enough. from what i see (and to paraphrase "not that there's anything wrong with it"), this forum has a very bber oriented viewpoint. i doubt you will find many, if ANY bbers who deadlift (or squat) every session, whereas i know plenty of strength athletes who workout in that manner.

and of course what is optimal for strength is often suboptimal for hypertrophy and vice versa.

strength athletes generally find (especially with more neurologically complex movements - like the snatch) that greater frequency brings greater results.

that's why the bulgarians, poles, etc. squat every day (sometimes multiple times per day) and ditto for the clean and jerk, etc.

these people are also not interested (in fact, try to avoid) sarcoplasmic hypetrophy

and of course, the body has amazing capability to adjust. i would not suggest stampeding towards such a frequency heavy protocol, but the body adjusts to these protocols

when i first started OLing, the idea of squatting every day filled me with dread.

you get used to it
 
OK but would there be a reason for a strength athlete to do only deads. Im not saying this guy never does anything else but I've never seen him do anything else. He might come in later and do squats or something but I dont think so. The guy is as skinny as a rail so for a powerlifting perspective that might be good to keep the wieght class down. Back to my original question though is there a reason to do only deads?
 
there are a lot of reasons for a strength athlete to do only deads. if he wants to get a bigger deadlift.

i don't know if he's deemphasizing other lifts, or he just wants to be king of the deadlift. who knows?

but the obvious reason to do only deads, is if deads are the only exercise you are interested in getting stronger in. obviously, if you are a pler, you need to be strong in three lifts. so, it wouldn't make sense for apl'er. it would make sense for a deadlift specialist
 
dude you are wrong about Louie doing deads everyday.i have bought equipment from louie,have all his training tapes and have talked to him several times.they do lifts that will aid in the deadlift but they don`t deadlift everyday,humanly impossible.they focous on box squats,rack pulls,pulling off blocks,many different types of good mornings,speed pulls with chains and bands,many different types of lat work.actually they do very little deadlifting it self from the floor.
 
i did not say louie did deads every day. louie recommend doing deads very INFREQUENTLY. that was my point

that's why i said LOUIE SIMMONS NOTWITHSTANDING

if i meant to say he agreed with me, i would say

LOUIE SIMMONS INCLUDED

i am very familiar with westside training principles. louie recommends NOT doing deadlifts frequently. that was my point
 
jjjd said:
i did not say louie did deads every day. louie recommend doing deads very INFREQUENTLY. that was my point

that's why i said LOUIE SIMMONS NOTWITHSTANDING

if i meant to say he agreed with me, i would say

LOUIE SIMMONS INCLUDED

i am very familiar with westside training principles. louie recommends NOT doing deadlifts frequently. that was my point
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sorry bro,i overlooked the not withstanding.
 
it's ok. my posts can be hard to read sometimes.

it's part of my charm. you gotta WORK for those nuggets
 
exnihilo said:
Heh. When I see people on this board discussing strength it makes me all warm inside ^^
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yeah bro i ihave been in powerlifting most of the years i have been training.i competed for 9 years drug free,haven`t done much competing the last couple years as my joints and recovery time won`t let me but i still enjoy it.trying to get my lifts up as i have put on body weight and have to move up a class.
 
I'm 43, 5'7", 190#. I DL with a trap bar. Love it. After several warm-up sets, I can usually hit 4 sets of 5-6 @ 385#, no belt, no straps, no gloves. I'd do more, but the bar I have is only rated to 400#, according to the place I got it.

I'm planning to get a stronger trap bar.
 
I'm a small dude...5"7, 145 lbs., 8% BF, 31 years old...just managed 315 deadlift 1xrep with good form the other week......no belt but definitely needed straps...it's not impressive weight by any stretch but the funny thing was what happened when I was doing it...these bigger guys (then again, who isn't when you're my size...HAHAAA) next to me were doing squats and stopped what they were doing to watch me...probably thinking, "Look at this little Asian dude about to break his back!!!" LOL!!! Did the rep and one of the guys comes up to me and asks if I'm on gear...I said, "Yeah bro...I'm on a cycle of kimchee"...guy was like, "Oh yeah?!? Right on, I'm gonna look that up." Walked away laughing...:icon_lol:
 
I feel ashamed to post my numbers since they are not too great. I neglected squats and deadlifts for so long but have finally realized how awesome they are.

Anyway, I am 5'7" and weigh about 183 right now. Wednesday I did 305 lbs for 1 rep my last set.

My squat needs work though but it's hard due to my reconstructed left knee(2 years ago). I don't have pain but it took a lot out of me.
 
I'm 210lbs.

currently periodizing with higher reps on all my lifts, so my deads look like this.

315x12
385x 8
405 x6
455 x 2-3

The most I've ever tried was 495 and it was like a 3-4 second fight, so I never tried more.

Cool thread though
 
I'm 5'-6 1/2" 160lbs. Max deadlift ever was 405lbs for 1 rep (was using wrist straps and waist belt) . . .
Typically for reps I use 315 or 335 . . . usually in the 6-8 rep range
 
5'10", 181 pounder....
Checked out my log on another forum, and found some of my prs.

Deadlift: 455x1, 415x5
Bench: 295x1, 275x3, 225x8x3sets
Squat: 365x2 =[
1 arm clean and jerk: 122x1, 102x3
Front squat: 275x1
Zercher Squat: 315
Tires: 700lbs-80', 350lbs-10flips in 24seconds
 
I just started deadlifting from the floor 2 months ago and hit 455 for a perfect triple w/o a belt. Goal is to do 600 by august.
 
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