Cycle when you have low Testosterone

lucifer92

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How do you cycle when you have low T ? In normal occasions after your cycle you start PCT so your levels can get back to normal but since your levels werent normal in the first place, what do you do?
 
lucifer92 said:
How do you cycle when you have low T ? In normal occasions after your cycle you start PCT so your levels can get back to normal but since your levels werent normal in the first place, what do you do?
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What are your levels, bro?
Medina is right...some people choose to Blast and Cruise, some seek TRT, and some are extra careful running cycles, trying to keep their natural hormones functioning.
 
Renew1 said:
What are your levels, bro?
Medina is right...some people choose to Blast and Cruise, some seek TRT, and some are extra careful running cycles, trying to keep their natural hormones functioning.
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Last time i checked i was at 383ng/dl. 21 years old, workout since 14, never done drugs or aas.
 
Three options, IMHO:
1) See an endocrinologist (personally I think, waste of time and money)
2) Try to get natural test up, maybe by using low dose clomid for awhile and maybe some HCG, now and then. You could use some support stuff like zinc -or natural test boosters with it too. After that take time off and have a lab test to see what the new test levels are.

3) TRT, cruising and blasting if you wish. I would consider this option only if you are older and have already kids.
 
lucifer92 said:
Last time i checked i was at 383ng/dl. 21 years old, workout since 14, never done drugs or aas.
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That is low, especially for your age.
Basically, the 3 scenarios that I mentioned above.
In the first two, you are basically deciding to provide the hormones your body needs externally, from here on out.
In the last one, you're trying to maintain your body's ability to produce it's own.
 
lucifer92 said:
Last time i checked i was at 383ng/dl. 21 years old, workout since 14, never done drugs or aas.
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Like HG wrote...you can use things like Clomid to try to up your levels yourself, and there are some natural enhancers that can up your levels a little, if used regularly.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Three options, IMHO:
1) See an endocrinologist (personally I think, waste of time and money)
2) Try to get natural test up, maybe by using low dose clomid for awhile and maybe some HCG, now and then. You could use some support stuff like zinc -or natural test boosters with it too. After that take time off and have a lab test to see what the new test levels are.

3) TRT, cruising and blasting if you wish. I would consider this option only if you are older and have already kids.
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1) why are endos useless?

2) how long give or take should this take?

3) i dont want to pass down my genes so theres that :P
 
Renew1 said:
That is low, especially for your age.
Basically, the 3 scenarios that I mentioned above.
In the first two, you are basically deciding to provide the hormones your body needs externally, from here on out.
In the last one, you're trying to maintain your body's ability to produce it's own.
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Tough luck if your bodys production is for **** heh?
 
lucifer92 said:
1) why are endos useless?

2) how long give or take should this take?

3) i dont want to pass down my genes so theres that :P
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1. Because they do not consider it a problem when your test levels are that of a 8 year old girl (from personal experience, may vary)
2. I would probably do 8-10 weeks of clomid at 20-25mg/d. Together with 6.25mg exemestane twice per week. After that wait 2-3 weeks and get tested.
3. Yes, but are you willing to pin forever? You are too young for this, period. If you don't get a prescription for TRT, you can't travel with gear and you rely on underground gear always....think about it.
 
lucifer92 said:
Tough luck if your bodys production is for **** heh?
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At least you have options. 100 years ago you'd be stuck with what you've got, no matter what.

Another thing to remember, is that the range given is only an estimate/recommendation. Some people could live with levels lower than yours their whole lives and never even have an issue. And some people need levels on the very upper edge of the spectrum to even feel "normal"
 
hairygrandpa said:
1. Because they do not consider it a problem when your test levels are that of a 8 year old girl (from personal experience, may vary)
2. I would probably do 8-10 weeks of clomid at 20-25mg/d. Together with 6.25mg exemestane twice per week. After that wait 2 weeks and get tested.
3. Yes, but are you willing to pin forever? You are too young for this, period. If you don't get a prescription for TRT, you can't travel with gear and you rely on underground gear always....think about it.
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^^^That's good advice bro^^^
 
hairygrandpa said:
1. Because they do not consider it a problem when your test levels are that of a 8 year old girl (from personal experience, may vary)
2. I would probably do 8-10 weeks of clomid at 20-25mg/d. Together with 6.25mg exemestane twice per week. After that wait 2 weeks and get tested.
3. Yes, but are you willing to pin forever? You are too young for this, period. If you don't get a prescription for TRT, you can't travel with gear and you rely on underground gear always....think about it.
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How long could it take to feel any different? Because i feel like ****, no sex drive, lack of motivation no drive in life in general. Foggy memory, ****ty mood and the more i think about it the worse i get.

I know im too young to pin forever, forever is loong time
 
Renew1 said:
At least you have options. 100 years ago you'd be stuck with what you've got, no matter what.

Another thing to remember, is that the range given is only an estimate/recommendation. Some people could live with levels lower than yours their whole lives and never even have an issue. And some people need levels on the very upper edge of the spectrum to even feel "normal"
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The thing is i feel like dirt
 
lucifer92 said:
How long could it take to feel any different? Because i feel like ****, no sex drive, lack of motivation no drive in life in general. Foggy memory, ****ty mood and the more i think about it the worse i get.

I know im too young to pin forever, forever is loong time
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On clomid? Give it 14 days, IF you don't get emotional sides from it (happens), like crying when neighbors dog dies. Toremifene would be the second option, after clomid, at 120mg for some weeks, tapering it down to 60mg afterwards. Torem can have sides to, like peripheral edema (foot swelling), happened to a friend. Others than that, a smooth ride. I would not use stims while trying to get your nuts working, as most of them are vasoconstrictors, may cause "stim dick" and hindering blood flow to testes. If anything, low dose cialis could be beneficial as a pde5 inhibitor, thinking of 10mg eod, keeps blood flowing to your nuts and muscles (also great pump in the gym).
 
hairygrandpa said:
On clomid? Give it 14 days, IF you don't get emotional sides from it (happens), like crying when neighbors dog dies. Toremifene would be the second option, after clomid, at 120mg for some weeks, tapering it down to 60mg afterwards. Torem can have sides to, like peripheral edema (foot swelling), happened to a friend. Others than that, a smooth ride. I would not use stims while trying to get your nuts working, as most of them are vasoconstrictors, may cause "stim dick" and hindering blood flow to testes. If anything, low dose cialis could be beneficial as a pde5 inhibitor, thinking of 10mg eod, keeps blood flowing to your nuts and muscles (also great pump in the gym).
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So there isnt a way that i wont be an emotional wreck?
Does it also raise your e2? Why does it make you emotional?
 
Ah, important, do NOT cycle AAS, before you had success in bringing test up.
 
lucifer92 said:
So there isnt a way that i wont be an emotional wreck?
Does it also raise your e2? Why does it make you emotional?
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If you are already an emotional wreck, see a shrink. Man up a bit and try to get your nuts going. Clomid CAN give emotional sides in SOME users. I tolerate 200mg/d of this stuff and eat life kittens in front of kids.
The exemestane lowers e2 a bit -clomid raises test ---> test converts partly to estrogen.
 
hairygrandpa said:
If you are already an emotional wreck, see a shrink. Man up a bit and try to get your nuts going. Clomid CAN give emotional sides in SOME users. I tolerate 200mg/d of this stuff and eat life kittens in front of kids.
The exemestane lowers e2 a bit -clomid raises test ---> test converts partly to estrogen.
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Also, why clomid and not arimidex ?
 
lucifer92 said:
Also, why clomid and not arimidex ?
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Damn. You don't know the difference between a Aromatase Inhibitor and a SERM. That is sad, considering you already ran a cycle?.

Oh sh1t....

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Edit: You did not run a cycle, right... anyway facepalm, because its way to much info to pass on.
 
Get comprehensive bloodwork done if you haven’t already. Shbg, cortisol, lh, fsh, t3, t4, tsh, prolactin, estradiol, literally everything. See if anything else is low/high because that could be a potential cause to your low test. How often do you train? What are your macros? Bodyfat? There’s a lot of factors that could cause your low test.
 
lucifer92 said:
Also, why clomid and not arimidex ?
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Non scientific - short as possible -explanation:
Clomid stimulates the hypothalamic–pituitary–thyroid axis, making your nuts work harder. Arimidex = lowering estrogen by binding to aromatase enzyme.

Different meds for different uses.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Damn. You don't know the difference between a Aromatase Inhibitor and a SERM. That is sad, considering you already ran a cycle?.

Oh sh1t....

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Edit: You did not run a cycle, right... anyway facepalm, because its way to much info to pass on.
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Or maybe english isnt my first language and i can get lost between their brand names and their chem names
 
AnabolicGuru said:
Get comprehensive bloodwork done if you haven’t already. Shbg, cortisol, lh, fsh, t3, t4, tsh, prolactin, estradiol, literally everything. See if anything else is low/high because that could be a potential cause to your low test. How often do you train? What are your macros? Bodyfat? There’s a lot of factors that could cause your low test.
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Yeah i have done those. When i took the blood tests i trained usually 5 days a week.
Cant tell for sure about bf, i had a 3pack if this helps.
Macros were at maintance or a little on the cutting side
 
lucifer92 said:
Or maybe english isnt my first language and i can get lost between their brand names and their chem names
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It isn't my language either. You could just pick the advised chems in my posts and google them, together with words like PCT -or HPTA or even "nuts".
Thing is, if you don't know what we are talking about, there is too much info you are missing.

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lucifer92 said:
You know, the side of me that wants to see results was really thinkink something like this "do a test-e cycle and then run pct" it probably wouldnt end good though
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Yeah, you DEFINITELY don't want to do that until you've chosen the path you're going to take.
If you run a cycle first, you've basically chosen the blast and cruise option.
 
lucifer92 said:
Or maybe english isnt my first language and i can get lost between their brand names and their chem names
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All of us have been beginners before...my first anabolic was a plant sterol bought out of the back of a bodybuilding magazine MANY years ago.
LOL!!

But take good advantage of the resources that you have ...the guys on here (as a whole) have a LOT of knowledge, and asking questions, seaching this site, and the internet can have massive benefits.
 
lucifer92 said:
Yeah i have done those. When i took the blood tests i trained usually 5 days a week.
Cant tell for sure about bf, i had a 3pack if this helps.
Macros were at maintance or a little on the cutting side
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Most of us are no medical doctors (I sure am not) -but some of us are roid users and fiddle with hormonal stuff, so you are not far off asuming we may could help.
We don't know for how long you had low test -and "low test" is a stretchable term. The symptoms you are talking about may -or not be related to your test levels. There are people who live a normal life with your levels and feel good. You said that you are eager to see progress, that is another issue, we all feel that way. The clomid protocol could help with that too, if your expectations are not "over the top".

Research it -or maybe ask the same question elsewhere to form an opinion. Good luck!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Most of us are no medical doctors (I sure am not) -but some of us are roid users and fiddle with hormonal stuff, so you are not far off asuming we may could help.
We don't know for how long you had low test -and "low test" is a stretchable term. The symptoms you are talking about may -or not be related to your test levels. There are people who live a normal life with your levels and feel good. You said that you are eager to see progress, that is another issue, we all feel that way. The clomid protocol could help with that too, if your expectations are not "over the top".

Research it -or maybe ask the same question elsewhere to form an opinion. Good luck!
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Could you define the over the top expectations?
 
Renew1 said:
All of us have been beginners before...my first anabolic was a plant sterol bought out of the back of a bodybuilding magazine MANY years ago.
LOL!!

But take good advantage of the resources that you have ...the guys on here (as a whole) have a LOT of knowledge, and asking questions, seaching this site, and the internet can have massive benefits.
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Yeah i know, thats why i try and ask as many questions as possible around here. which can sometimes get irretating
 
lucifer92 said:
Could you define the over the top expectations?
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Huge muscle gains, like on cycle. If everything goes as planned, you should feel better over time as test levels rise. Don't forget exemestane at suggested dosage.
 
lucifer92 said:
Yeah i know, thats why i try and ask as many questions as possible around here. which can sometimes get irretating
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Use all resources, most of your questions were answered here on AM a zillion of times already. For us its like playing a broken record, not very pleasant.
Maybe we could need a section for all the terms we are throwing around daily, explaining SERM's, SARM's, PH's,PED's, Aromatase.....and so on. Sadly I'm no admin.
 
Have the same issue as you bro, 23yrs old and test levels of 220ng/dl! Never taken AAS or any PED. Decided not to do TRT as I want kids one day. Started taking a natural test booster containing tribulus terrestris and my levels jumped from 220 > 400ng/dl!! People say natty test boosters are a load of crap but the one I use works. First time I've had morning wood in over 2 years man, definitely something to look into
 
dohey1995 said:
Have the same issue as you bro, 23yrs old and test levels of 220ng/dl! Never taken AAS or any PED. Decided not to do TRT as I want kids one day. Started taking a natural test booster containing tribulus terrestris and my levels jumped from 220 > 400ng/dl!! People say natty test boosters are a load of crap but the one I use works. First time I've had morning wood in over 2 years man, definitely something to look into
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No one said test boosters don’t work - that’s why we use them in pct or even by themselves in between cycles. Just that the level that it raises will not increase muscle mass but does help with sleep,mood and libido. Which leads to better gains
 
Blast and cruise ftw.
If your hpta is perma frozen and trt is on the table anyways may as well stockpile some pharm test and blast and cruise. 200 cruise 500+ blast.
12on 8 off
 
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