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Cuffs' EctoTropin-6 Log

Cuffs

Cuffs

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Well, I received a surprise in the mail on Friday. IBE sent me one Ectotropin-6 kit to test out. I had no idea they picked me as one of the testers. Anyways, I'm currently on a cutting cycle, about a month in. I'm keeping a log in the Cycles Section of this board for those who haven't seen. Since I received this kit, I'll keep a log in here as well as a log over at IBE's forum.

I plan on beginning the product either this Tuesday, or next Monday.

A huge THANKS to IBE for this opportunity! :thumbsup:
 
I'm thinkin' of gettin' afew kits, how do you plan to run it, brother? I really liked the injectable antagonist, used it 5on/2off..
 
I'm going to research it a bit more these next couple of days before hitting it on Monday. I'm thinking of running it like you laid out, 5 on 2 off. At least, that's what the directions read on the box.
 
Cuffs,

Congrats! I am still waiting for my test kit to arrive. I will start a log as well. My perspective will be different as I am a chronic pain patient.
 
07/13/05:

Began cycling this product today. Going to do the 5 on 2 off recommendation. Took first dose this morning. Taste was not a problem.

Beginning weight is 226lbs. I will take some measurements tonight and post them up. I'm currently on a cutting cycle with a thread in the Cycle section. That thread has been dormant for a while due to personal reasons. However, I'm going to get it going as well. Invalid Link Removed for those who wish to follow it as well.
 
07/14/05:

Took my second dose this morning. Weight today was 224.5lbs.

Last night I trained chest and triceps. I didn't expect to see anything from the EctoTropin for at least a week. Well, last night as I was lifting, my shoulders became so pumped it was painful. I don't know if I can attribute this to the EctoTropin, but th1is is the first time during this cycle this has happened. I read a few others logs at the site posted by IBE and other people are noticing pumps as well. Just not so quickly.
 
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i'll be watching, goodluck, tell me if it somehow regrows hair!
 
07/15/05:

Took third dose today. Weight was 223.5lbs. I have to miss my workout today due to a schedule change and overtime today at work. Will train legs and biceps tomorrow and see if I experience the pumps again.
 
CEDeoudes59 said:
i'll be watching, goodluck, tell me if it somehow regrows hair!
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CED...I'll send you the hair I crop from my body each week. Maybe that will help... :D
 
One thing you might notice, when eating you get fuller faster.. I got that from the sub-q product..
 
bigpetefox said:
One thing you might notice, when eating you get fuller faster.. I got that from the sub-q product..
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Dude, that is right on the money. That happened to me the last two days. I couldn't finish half my meals. I'm amazed at how quickly I'm seeing things happen.

Now, last night I suffered from night sweats very badly. I woke up drenched in sweat and had to change the sheets. The sweat rolling down my legs is what woke me up. This was more than likely due to another compound I'm currently using for the next two weeks.
 
Okay, just got back from the gym. Trained legs, biceps, and through in some weighted ab work. Had some good pumps once again. This time in each body part. Especially with my abs and biceps. I think there may be something to this EctoTropin-6 and muscle pumps. When I got home, I fixed up something to eat and could only eat half of what was in front of me. I had to force the meat down for the protein value.
 
Cuffs said:
Dude, that is right on the money. That happened to me the last two days. I couldn't finish half my meals. I'm amazed at how quickly I'm seeing things happen.

Now, last night I suffered from night sweats very badly. I woke up drenched in sweat and had to change the sheets. The sweat rolling down my legs is what woke me up. This was more than likely due to another compound I'm currently using for the next two weeks.
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From what I've read, the antagonist (Ectotropin) blocks secretion of ghrelin in the stomach.. This action can cause your brain to think you're full, hence you stop eating.. That's my take on it at least.. ;)
 
I beleive it is cell-mediated and for oral use only. I've been using it for the past 3 days, and am already feeling the effects. Pumps, and getting full faster and staying full longer. This stuff is legit. I can already tell. I'm excited..
 
Really glad to see some positive feedback in regards to the "cell-mediated" technology...though I would love for that full explaination of it...
 
mass_builder said:
PA claims that GHRPs have highier bioavilabilit via injection. If feedback comes positive im gonna try pinning it.
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Yes this is quite true, but I'll say this if you are comparing straight up pinning GHRPs to eating it raw. Not including IBE's delivery here.

For pinning vs straight up, it comes out to being an effective dose for pinning being around 100-200mcg/day for a 200+lb person, versus 20-40mg/day for the same person if ingested.
 
07/20/05:

Weight today was 223lbs. I began my second week of EctoTropin-6 this morning.

Workouts have been good as well as pumps. Appetite is very suppressed. I could only eat two meals yesterday, and only about 3/4 of what I had on the plate. And I had to force the last 1/4 of what I ate.
 
Max32 said:
maybe we have finally found something that can counteract the binging of EQ....
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Hmmmm, that would be interesting to see. Maybe IBE should look into finding a tester for this, if they already haven't.
 
Cuffs said:
Hmmmm, that would be interesting to see. Maybe IBE should look into finding a tester for this, if they already haven't.
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I think I know someone who would be a good candidate right now.....:lol:
 
07/21/05:

Weight today is the same. Last nights workout went very well, good pumps. I woke up this morning lightly sweating. I had the air conditioning and two fans going at the time. This may be from another compound I'm using, but I read where another tester experienced this as well. Last night I was having some minor cramping in my quads, hams, and calfs. My muscles throughout my body feel tighter, and I'm seeing more definition, especially in my chest and abs. Stomach is looking flatter as well. I just wish these genetic love-handles would go away. :D
 
07/22/05:

I'm feeling somewhat pumped throughout the day. When I wake up in the morning, I'm starving. I do my dose of Ecto and tough it out. I almost feel kind of queazy for about an hour. Then, when I do eat for the first time, I can only eat a little bit and I'm full. Now, early last night I ate some pizza for the first time in I don't know how long. I ate more than I should have, then felt full, almost gorged, all the way until I woke up in the morning.
 
07/28/05:

Weight is at 225lbs, up a couple, but waist is down. My weight is staying around the same, but I'm losing fat and gaining LBM, which is a good thing.

Last night I trained chest and tricpes. My delts got so pumped halfway through my chest routine that it was painful. So, I shortened my routine and went on to triceps. Same thing, except even my biceps were pumped. It was very strange. The pumps were as extreme, or even more, from when I did a cycle of M1T back in the day.

I have an appetite right now, but when I eat, I still can only eat small amounts, then I'm to the point where I feel stuffed.
 
Damn good stuff!!! Great log, very interested! Will be starting Oratropin-1 myself next Wed!
 
Hi cuffs, a few questions...
good log BTW.
do you dose it once per day in the morning? how is appetite supression at evenings? how is sleep (REM and non-REM)

thanks!
 
judge-mental said:
Hi cuffs, a few questions...
good log BTW.
do you dose it once per day in the morning? how is appetite supression at evenings? how is sleep (REM and non-REM)

thanks!
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I dose it upon waking in the morning and don't eat for 1.5 hours. I'm doing the 5 day on, 2 day off method. Appetite is suppressed throught the day, and night as well. Even during the 2 days off, just not as much.

Sleep is so-so, but I'm taking other things as well, which is probably causing my lack of sleep and light night sweats. I'm sleeping about 6 broken hours a night. However, I wake up refreshed and I'm not tired during the day. I have to get up to piss about every 2-3 hours at night, and have night sweats about 2-3 hours before having to get up. Others who are doing this solo would be better to comment on this issue.
 
This log is great. Would you happen to have any skinfold/circumference measurements or poundage increases in lifts (since you said your gaining LBM).

Another quick question, your gaining LBM, can this be attributed to ecto or possibly to "something else"?
 
Enigma76 said:
Sleep should be improved with elevated GH. I would attribute your lack of sleep to your "other compounds", especially if you have used them before and expect it.

This log is great. Would you happen to have any skinfold/circumference measurements or poundage increases in lifts (since you said your gaining LBM).

Another quick question, your gaining LBM, can this be attributed to ecto or possibly to "something else"?
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I would attribute the loss in sleep to the other compounds as well. I included it in my posts just in case others were experiencing the same thing while using it solo.

I didn't take any skin fold measurements as my calipers developed legs and walked off. :blink:

I'm not an ecto by any means. I'm more of a meso/endo mix. I think I can attribute the LBM and increased strength to the other compounds as well as the ecto. My strength right now is just below, or right at, when I was bulking a few months ago, and was almost 20lbs heavier.

Since I'm not running this solo, it is hard for me to judge the etco on its own. I'm not sure if I'm the only tester using the types of compounds I'm using with the etco, but it was explained to IBE before they sent it out to me.
 
thanks for the answers
@enigma: the supression of ghrelin should lower GHRH --> less non-REM sleep.
why would he have elevated GH?
 
I screwed up, upon further research. Ecto antagonizes the GHS receptor, competitively binding with ghrelin. I was mistaking its GH releasing action with GHS agonists.


As an aside, in another thread I mentioned that these secretagogues have cardiac effects; upon further digging, specific ones (hexarelin and possibly GHRP-6) promote cardiac health by strengthening cardiac output. They are being evaluated for use in treating dilated cardiomyopathy.

@Cuffs: could you possibly make a guess as to how much LBM/strength is attributible to the ectotropin? 25%? 50? I dont know what else you are on but am interested in this information.


EDIT: I should note that the GHS family bind to their own set of receptors that are independant of the GHRH/GH/IGF-1 axis. Ghrelin binds to these receptors. Also, most of this information is new and is undergoing revision constantly; as of about 2 years ago when I was researching these more, the specific receptors that GHS bound to was unknown. GHS receptors have a high density in cardiac muscle and a moderate density in the hypothalymus.
 
Enigma76 said:
@Cuffs: could you possibly make a guess as to how much LBM/strength is attributible to the ectotropin? 25%? 50? I dont know what else you are on but am interested in this information.
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Due to the other compounds I am taking, I could'nt even give an educated guess. Mainly because the other compounds I am using, I am using for the first time.
 
08/03/05:

Weight today is 222lbs. Things are still the same and I'm seeing results every couple of days. I'm looking much leaner in the midsection, seeing more veins through my chest, arms and shoulders, and muscles are looking harder. Pumps are still amazing.

One thing I have noticed is my finger nails growing much faster. Don't know if this is a result of EctoTropin or not, but thought I'd mention it.
 
Cuffs said:
08/03/05:
One thing I have noticed is my finger nails growing much faster. Don't know if this is a result of EctoTropin or not, but thought I'd mention it.
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I just read your thread for the first time today Cuffs, a lot of similarities in our experiences with Ecto. I tried not to read others' logs before so they wouldn't influence what I perceived was happening with me. Anyway, I went on another job interview today, I put this job hunt to rest as I accepted a position and sign all the paperwork tomorrow. As I was getting ready, I looked at my fingernails and thought they had grown quickly over the past few days. Usually I need to chop them back every 10 days or so, they don't grow real quick. This is like only 6 days since I cut them last, and I was looking a bit Dracula-like.:twisted: OK, not that bad, but you get the idea.
I also noticed that my hair is growing quickly, I just had a cut about two weeks ago and I need another already. I usually go at least a month between cuts. I don't know if the Ecto is affecting this, if hair and nails work through the same mechanism for growth, or if I'm only noticing it because you mentioned it! :blink:
I'm on my last dose tonight and will be posting a recap of all stats on Friday. How are you for dosing?
 
08/04/05:

Weight today was 220.5lbs. My upper abs are becoming more and more noticeable. My tan is kicking ass too. :thumbsup:

The drop in weight may also be a result of the current stress I'm going through with my home life. I haven't slept in two nights, and feel a kind of anxiety all day and night. The emotion of love can fucking suck!

Anyways...I hear you on the hair growth joecski. My head and body hair has been growing like mad. I just cropped down the other day. However, my melon still needs a cut. It's out of control. I think I have like 4-6 days left or so. I missed two days, but did a split to make up for it. So, I think It's like one week or four days left. No dosing this Sat and Sun.

I too have been avoiding the other threads so they don't influence me. I believe it makes for a more honest log.
 
I had some pretty abnormal hair growth on the injectable, and I'm never hairy.. When I did shows, I only had to shave my stomach and maybe my quads and that was it.. After the anti-ghrelin I became a Fox for real.. :)
 
08/05/05:

Weight today is 217.5lbs. I wasn't going to post today, but thought I should since the 3lb. drop in one day. More than likely it is a combo of my cycle and personal stress.
 
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