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ub6ib91

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I am going to be running slin along with test (750mg) & Deca (400mg) & dbol in my upcoming cycle. At least, those are my plans. I have a few months until i start this cycle, and if i dont feel ready for it, or i dont understand everything i need to, i will drop the slin. Yes, i am a competitive bodybuilder, and my goals are not to just be big, i want to make it as far as i can.
7:40AM: 1 scoop of whiteflood, noxplode (Something like that to get me going in the morning)
8:00AM: Lift
8:45AM: Inject Slin (Day 1: 2IU, Day 2: 3IU, and so on, going to stay at 8IU for 4 weeks)
*I dont want to go to 10IU on my first run
8:47AM: PWO Shake 60gm protein/10gm creatine/80-100gm dextrose
9:30AM: 6oz boneless skinless Chicken breast, no marinade (Just plain) no ketchup etc. (Avoiding fats and all)
2oz wheat pasta or 1/2 cup brown rice
8oz skim milk
10:55AM: 1 Scoop Whey Protein/1 Cup Oatmeal/8oz skim milk

*Okay, i was having trouble getting my meals exactly in at 2.5 hours past etc, because i have classes and all. I tried my best. If not getting it exact will kill me, they slin is outa the question, but i doubt that. I will do the absolute best i can, i can promise that.

*I wasnt sure what kind of carbs i was soppose to be taking in during the meals, low or hi gi carbs, but im assuming low gi. Hi gi's are left for the gatorade, glucose tabs, etc.


***From the time i inject, to 4 hours later, i am taking a gatorate bottle, scooping an extra 80gm of dextrose in it, and will be sipping on it throughout. Every 10 minutes for the first two hours.. im going to be popping a glucose tab.


Does it seem like i have any clue what im doing? I have been doing a ton of research, any suggestions? Should i run it the 1st 4 weeks of my cycle, or the last 4 weeks?

Anything else? Thanks a lot guys!
 
i think the glucose tabs and sipping on gatorade are overkill but to each his own. I think you are being a lil too cautious. Other than that sounds okay
 
wel its my first time, and i dont think it could be to harmful being overly caution but thats why i came here.. to look for advice!

Thanks for your imput tho. Much appreciated.
 
Definitely better to be overly cautious than dead! What i would do would be to carry around a granola/fruit bar for when i needed(if i needed it) signs of going hypo are lightheadedness, irritability, sweating, hunger, restlessness. Those are the ones i notice.

-Soma
 
Look I understand how everyone buys into insulin being the most dangerous thing in BB and all. However if you can do simple I mean simple arithmatic you will not have a problem. Really it is not that hard. I like that the guy does not want to screw up his body and kill himself but the truth is, you are probably going to just get fat with all the extra carbs you are consuming. Unless you are on AAS or taking GH, hell even low to moderate doses of t3 may aliveate this.

I first used insulin when I was 17, it worked pretty well mass wise but also made me a big fat bastard. I now find that in conjuction with IGF,pegMGF and AAS to be a great combo.

Again if you can follow, 10g of Carbs per IU you will be okay. Also you need to have a meal that has Lots of protein and Low GI Carbs at the halfway point of your slin ( I use humalog so that would be at about 1 hour after injection to make it simple).

Again I have used this alot and have even tried to see how low I can go on the recomend carbs to IU ratio (Again, do as I say not as I do), I have also tried to see if I took in HUGE doses of slin would I get a better effect. So far my conclusion is 12 IU PWO with 100g Hi GI carbs and 60g protein. And then about an hour later another 60-80g Low GI Carbs and 60g protein (from meat not whey) and next to no fat.

While slin is pretty good for bulking you have a tendency to get fat as hell if you suck down carbs the whole time. Now I am not saying not to take in carbs but understand (to the original poster) that the extra 80g of dextrose in gatorade and glucose tabs are not to be your food source but your oh S**t source if you go HYPO.
 
northern said:
Look I understand how everyone buys into insulin being the most dangerous thing in BB and all. However if you can do simple I mean simple arithmatic you will not have a problem. Really it is not that hard. I like that the guy does not want to screw up his body and kill himself but the truth is, you are probably going to just get fat with all the extra carbs you are consuming. Unless you are on anabolic steroids or taking GH, hell even low to moderate doses of t3 may aliveate this.

I first used insulin when I was 17, it worked pretty well mass wise but also made me a big fat bastard. I now find that in conjuction with IGF,pegMGF and AAS to be a great combo.

Again if you can follow, 10g of Carbs per IU you will be okay. Also you need to have a meal that has Lots of protein and Low GI Carbs at the halfway point of your slin ( I use humalog so that would be at about 1 hour after injection to make it simple).

Again I have used this alot and have even tried to see how low I can go on the recomend carbs to IU ratio (Again, do as I say not as I do), I have also tried to see if I took in HUGE doses of slin would I get a better effect. So far my conclusion is 12 IU PWO with 100g Hi GI carbs and 60g protein. And then about an hour later another 60-80g Low GI Carbs and 60g protein (from meat not whey) and next to no fat.

While slin is pretty good for bulking you have a tendency to get fat as hell if you suck down carbs the whole time. Now I am not saying not to take in carbs but understand (to the original poster) that the extra 80g of dextrose in gatorade and glucose tabs are not to be your food source but your oh S**t source if you go HYPO.
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Well would you mind helping me out a bit set up my diet. I am going to be using Test & Deca along with this. I dont really want to run T3 with it, im trying to gain muscle but if its a must, i will. I would like to make advances on it. This is what i got so far,

PWO: 10IU Slin with 100gm Dextrose/60gm Protein/10gm Creatine

45 Mins to an Hour Later: I want Low GI carbs? and high protein

2 hours after injection: Another low carb high protein?

When do i take in high GI carbs to prevent hypo then, just when i need them?
 
You should not need to take the high gi carbs if you take the stuff pwo. Also what slin are you using humalog or humulin r
 
northern said:
You should not need to take the high gi carbs if you take the stuff pwo. Also what slin are you using humalog or humulin r
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Humulin R.

So your saying, the only fast carbs i need are immediatly post workout obviously unless i feel hypo.

So the first meal 45 mins after injection, i want slow carbs with high protein?

Also for the meal 2 hours after injection i want slow carbs with high protein as well?

Basically, just keep fast carbs on hand incase i need them, am i correct?
 
You got it bro. I have only ever gone hypo when I did not follow the meal protocol after the PWO shake. Like did not have the meal 45 mins after but say 1 hour and 15 mins after etc.

Also, as you gain experience you will notice you can cut down the high glycemic carbs in you pwo shake. Dont do it yet, but I have had less fat gain when I lowered the amount of High GI carbs of course this was after I learned my limit with slin so to speak.

Good Luck
 
northern said:
You got it bro. I have only ever gone hypo when I did not follow the meal protocol after the PWO shake. Like did not have the meal 45 mins after but say 1 hour and 15 mins after etc.

Also, as you gain experience you will notice you can cut down the high glycemic carbs in you pwo shake. Dont do it yet, but I have had less fat gain when I lowered the amount of High GI carbs of course this was after I learned my limit with slin so to speak.

Good Luck
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Last questions here..

To start off, i just want to say thank you very much for all ur supporting help. It's greatly appreciated! I am aware of dropping carbs pwo but not until i figure out how my body reacts will i even attempt to do that.

For those two meals, they say moderate carb & high protein. How many carbs is a moderate carb meal consist of about. How my low gi carbs should be taken in on these meals. Same for protein, whats a good high amount i should be looking at.


Also, if i lift in the morning, an hour after breakfast, what should my breakfast consist of. Will 2 cups oatmeal, 1 scoop protein, 1 cup skim milk be enough/okay?

Thanks a lot and looking forward to a response, because that will be all!
 
Here is the idea with fat. You want very little or no fat one hour before insulin and also one hour before starting wo. You also want no fat for 2 hours after insulin injection (this is for humalog) for humulin r I would guess 3 or 4 hours. Basically you dont want any fat until the insulin has cleared your body or is at least almost on its way out. For me that is 2 hours after inject I generally wait 3 hours for my humalog to be "gone" and for when I can add fat back in to diet.


For carbs and protein here is what I do:

PWO 12 IU Slin (On non IGF-1 days)
100g Carbs Hi Glycemic (I have cut it as low as 60g, found 80g to be sweat spot but use 100g when I am lean). + 60g Whey Isolate.

45 mins in: (Your meal should be kiciking in right as the slin peaks. For me that is around t +1:00h for you it should be t+2:00h)

again 60g protein i.e. chicken, tuna, turkey, or whey/casein no red meat too much fat. + 60-80g Low Gly carbs i.e. sweet potatoes, quinoa, wheat bread of sorts, etc.

1.75 hours in:(About halfway through its course, i know they say humalog last only 2 hours but really it kicks around for 3+

easily. That is not to say it can kill you 3 hours later but it hangs around in tiny quanities for a good while).
another 60g protein + 40-60g Low Gly carbs. Same setup lean meats + stuff like yams/swert potatoes, quinoa, wheat etc.

For you as yours will peak at different times might try this,

Instead of first meal at 45 mins in move it to say 75 - 105 mins in. You want the nutrients to be entering the blood stream as the insulin reaches its peak for me that is at the t+1:00 for Humulin-R it should be at t+2:00, you should check that to be sure, I have never used humulin before only humalog.

Then second mean to be at 180 (3 hours) - 210 (3hours 30 mins). These are times after the injection not from when you "feel it".

You may possibly get a tad hypo i.e. tired doing this at higher dosages 10iu and up, or lower depending on your bodies raction that is why you keep higlycemic carbs around. Dont suck them down like water but keep them on hand and if you get any!!!! mental "fogginess" drink some down i.e, like 30g sugar.

Try that and tell me how you feel (also make sure you do it at the dosage you plan to run the slin for).

Also dont run slin on consecutive days. It tends to make you fatter and work not quite as well. EOD to E3d works very well in the gains vs. fat gain you get. I did gain "more" weight doing it ED and also Multiple times a day but I think that I gained way more fat that way.

Becareful again cause you can get fat as HELLL with slin, its a tricky girl to work with. I personally like it and hate it. You definately have to use it with anabolic steroids which you are but you also need to asses how you handle it and drop your carbs accordingly so that you dont get fat. Now not all your carbs just those pesky Hi Glyceic bastards at the begining. If you want try 8g per IU. That should easily keep you from going hypo while keeping you a bit leaner.

If you dont want to try it I totally understand as this is your first run.

Let me know If I answered your q. I got off on a tanget and now cant remember what I was supposed to answer.
 
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northern said:
Here is the idea with fat. You want very little or no fat one hour before insulin and also one hour before starting wo. You also want no fat for 2 hours after insulin injection (this is for humalog) for humulin r I would guess 3 or 4 hours. Basically you dont want any fat until the insulin has cleared your body or is at least almost on its way out. For me that is 2 hours after inject I generally wait 3 hours for my humalog to be "gone" and for when I can add fat back in to diet.


For carbs and protein here is what I do:

PWO 12 IU Slin (On non IGF-1 days)
100g Carbs Hi Glycemic (I have cut it as low as 60g, found 80g to be sweat spot but use 100g when I am lean). + 60g Whey Isolate.

45 mins in: (Your meal should be kiciking in right as the slin peaks. For me that is around t +1:00h for you it should be t+2:00h)

again 60g protein i.e. chicken, tuna, turkey, or whey/casein no red meat too much fat. + 60-80g Low Gly carbs i.e. sweet potatoes, quinoa, wheat bread of sorts, etc.

1.75 hours in:(About halfway through its course, i know they say humalog last only 2 hours but really it kicks around for 3+

easily. That is not to say it can kill you 3 hours later but it hangs around in tiny quanities for a good while).
another 60g protein + 40-60g Low Gly carbs. Same setup lean meats + stuff like yams/swert potatoes, quinoa, wheat etc.

For you as yours will peak at different times might try this,

Instead of first meal at 45 mins in move it to say 75 - 105 mins in. You want the nutrients to be entering the blood stream as the insulin reaches its peak for me that is at the t+1:00 for Humulin-R it should be at t+2:00, you should check that to be sure, I have never used humulin before only humalog.

Then second mean to be at 180 (3 hours) - 210 (3hours 30 mins). These are times after the injection not from when you "feel it".

You may possibly get a tad hypo i.e. tired doing this at higher dosages 10iu and up, or lower depending on your bodies raction that is why you keep higlycemic carbs around. Dont suck them down like water but keep them on hand and if you get any!!!! mental "fogginess" drink some down i.e, like 30g sugar.

Try that and tell me how you feel (also make sure you do it at the dosage you plan to run the slin for).

Also dont run slin on consecutive days. It tends to make you fatter and work not quite as well. EOD to E3d works very well in the gains vs. fat gain you get. I did gain "more" weight doing it ED and also Multiple times a day but I think that I gained way more fat that way.

Becareful again cause you can get fat as HELLL with slin, its a tricky girl to work with. I personally like it and hate it. You definately have to use it with anabolic steroids which you are but you also need to asses how you handle it and drop your carbs accordingly so that you dont get fat. Now not all your carbs just those pesky Hi Glyceic bastards at the begining. If you want try 8g per IU. That should easily keep you from going hypo while keeping you a bit leaner.

If you dont want to try it I totally understand as this is your first run.

Let me know If I answered your q. I got off on a tanget and now cant remember what I was supposed to answer.
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Wow! I appreciate all that!

Just had the questions about breakfast. What would a good breakfast be about 1 hour prior to lifting (This will be my first meal).

Also, so your saying, instead of taking a meal 45 mins after injection, since im using Humulin R, i should wait about 75 mins?
 
right on with the 75 minutes. The idea is you want to have your food in your stomach so that as the insulin begins to peak you have glucose and amino acids in the blood so that they can shuttled into the muscles for repair/regrowth.

Tired right now, I will post up a breakfast that I would eat. Again, depends on what works for you but I will give you an example if I was in your position.
 
I find if I have a hefty serving of Oats before training, and slightly after pinning Slin, I never feel the hypo onset at all.

The one time I didn't use Oats, I went hypo, and had to slam sugarcane ginger ale in a supermarket. It's a strange feeling, it feels like you're punch drunk.

Northern summed up a fool proof protocol.. I just find that the simple act of eating 2 cups of Oats 45 minutes before training, 10iu Humalog pwo, 80g WMS or Dextrose immediately after , 10 minutes after that 50g Protein, and then 30 minutes after 2 cups of Oats alleviates any chance of me going hypo. No exact science for me, just feel. Roughly an hour after that i will eat a moderete/large meal usually consisting of salmon, brown rice, and yams.
 
Sorry forgot to post up a diet for you but yeah I always Have 2 servings Oats in the morning (I think that is 1 cup). Throw in egg whites for protein or some very lean protein hell even tuna is fine if you can stomach it in the morning.

But what Ubi. said was exactly what I would go for.
 
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