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creatine dosage and effects questions

calidood

calidood

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HeyI've made the Prohormone mistake several times. The last couple cycles went well. But now I wanna go natural for a bit and see what I can accomplish. I guess sometimes you have to make your own mistakes and hit a few bumps before you listen hard. I haven't been on a PH cycle in about 9 months. So I'm hoping anything that would hinder natural progress is long gone. I'm starting on creatine now. Just plain old creatine monohydrate. Nothing fancy at all. On my fifth day of 20 gram loading right now. I was wondering a couple of things:

1. How long do most people recommend staying on creatine? I've heard about three months mostly. But I've heard of people being on it pretty much all the time too. What do you guys think?

2. How well do people keep their results? I always hear people say "He's on creatine. As soon as he quits taking it, all that size will be lost." But on here, it seems like people say creatine is the best way for a beginner to go. But if you're going to lose all that size, then what's the point?

Help me out here guys! Thanks.
 
Anyone got anything for me? I'm sure someone knows a thing or two about creatine. Come on! At least some info on what to expect after I stop taking it. I know it seems lazy that I just ask instead of search. But I doubt that anyone has asked this specific question. I looked around for a while. But as you probably know...typing in "creatine" opens about a billion threads.
 
Yeah I knew I could find stuff on the cycling of it. I just wanted to put that in there. But I never really have read anything about people explaining the amount of mass that you can retain when you go off of it. That was the more important question.
 
creatine mono for beginners is great
after that it suks a lot of d.

as far as mass lost..... what mass? with creatine? its not a fuxin steroid.

u wont lose any MUSCLE mass, ull lose water weight, which will make u look a hell of a lot smaller.
u will lose strength, but thats false strength due to the weight gain creatine gave u.

beginners need it for a psychological boost, and it can give the illusion that they are getting somehwere.

studies and tests blah blah blah, look at the people they are using for **** sakes.

p'c
 
Jesus dude. Relax. I never said MUSCLE mass. I just said mass. Anything is mass. Fat is mass, muscle is mass, bone is mass. This is the exact reason I was asking. Because I don't see why people keeep telling beginners they need to be taking creatine instead of prohormones or anything like that if they know that the mass will be lost. Not to say I believe beginners should be taking PHs. I'm just saying, why would people continue recommending creatine, if right when you stop you will just lose all of the mass and strength? I don't know if you ever actually used it or if you're just saying that because you heard that from someone. I would like real experience and to know why people recommend it so much to beginners.

iLovebeinripd said:
creatine mono for beginners is great
after that it suks a lot of d.

as far as mass lost..... what mass? with creatine? its not a fuxin steroid.

u wont lose any MUSCLE mass, ull lose water weight, which will make u look a hell of a lot smaller.
u will lose strength, but thats false strength due to the weight gain creatine gave u.

beginners need it for a psychological boost, and it can give the illusion that they are getting somehwere.

studies and tests blah blah blah, look at the people they are using for **** sakes.

p'c
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Google Scholar Creatine +Lean Body Mass. Lots of hits. It's been shown in many double blind studies to increase LBM, strength, volume. I.e.

Effects of creatine supplementation on body composition, strength, and sprint performance.

Basic Sciences
Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise. 30(1):73-82, January 1998.
KREIDER, RICHARD B.; FERREIRA, MARIA; WILSON, MICHAEL; GRINDSTAFF, PAMELA; PLISK, STEVEN; REINARDY, JEFF; CANTLER, EDWARD; ALMADA, A. L.

Abstract:
Purpose: To determine the effects of 28 d of creatine supplementation during training on body composition, strength, sprint performance, and hematological profiles.

Methods: In a double-blind and randomized manner, 25 NCAA division IA football players were matched-paired and assigned to supplement their diet for 28 d during resistance/agility training (8 h[middle dot]wk-1) with a Phosphagen HP (Experimental and Applied Sciences, Golden, CO) placebo (P) containing 99 g[middle dot]d-1 of glucose, 3 g[middle dot]d-1 of taurine, 1.1 g[middle dot]d-1 of disodium phosphate, and 1.2 g[middle dot]d-1 of potassium phosphate (P) or Phosphagen HP containing the P with 15.75 g[middle dot]d-1 of HPCE pure creatine monohydrate (HP). Before and after supplementation, fasting blood samples were obtained; total body weight, total body water, and body composition were determined; subjects performed a maximal repetition test on the isotonic bench press, squat, and power clean; and subjects performed a cycle ergometer sprint test (12 x 6-s sprints with 30-s rest recovery).

Results: Hematological parameters remained within normal clinical limits for active individuals with no side effects reported. Total body weight significantly increased (P < 0.05) in the HP group (P 0.85 +/- 2.2; HP 2.42 +/- 1.4 kg) while no differences were observed in the percentage of total body water. DEXA scanned body mass (P 0.77 +/- 1.8; HP 2.22+/- 1.5 kg) and fat/bone-free mass (P 1.33 +/- 1.1; HP 2.43 +/- 1.4 kg) were significantly increased in the HP group. Gains in bench press lifting volume (P -5 +/- 134; HP 225 +/- 246 kg), the sum of bench press, squat, and power clean lifting volume (P 1,105 +/- 429; HP 1,558+/- 645 kg), and total work performed during the first five 6-s sprints was significantly greater in the HP group.

Conclusion: The addition of creatine to the glucose/taurine/electrolyte supplement promoted greater gains in fat/bone-free mass, isotonic lifting volume, and sprint performance during intense resistance/agility training.

(C) Williams & Wilkins 1998. All Rights Reserved.
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ok, i admit, im being a ****.
but your being annoyingly specific.

let me break it down for you in non scientific terms.

I believe creatine is good the first time you use it.
I increased my strength very fast, and as you know its apart of the hypertrophy equation....u know, the volume x tension ****.

after i got higher on the str levels though (545 lb squat at 200 at around 18 years of age)
it did absolutely nothing but bloat me up, in fact it wasnt a plateua, im increasnig to this day, but it just did nothing, idk it made me feel sluggish n fat if nething, and my diet is on par.

in my oppinion thouhg, it was just a psychological boost, nothing more, nothing less
i mean i would reccomend it to a beginner cuz he would think he was getting somewhere super fast just by the added weight gain n extra strength so it would motivate him to keep going n work harder.

then again, who knows why....i used it, worked for a lil while, stopped working, used it again, still didnt work, and again still dint work..so im not using it again..plain n simple
 
yea but for every test that says its ok, theres another test thats says it deosnt do ****, and then u have the whole caffne deal
 
iLovebeinripd said:
yea but for every test that says its ok, theres another test thats says it deosnt do ****, and then u have the whole caffne deal
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Wrong. For every test showing it works, there's 100 more showing it works. There are maybe 5 showing it doesn't, and I'm being generous, against literally hundreds PROVING it does.

You're saying you started taking creatine when you started working out, admittedly gained a f*ckton of weight and strength, then because YOU plateaued, it's creatines fault? :lol:

Psychology plays no part in the equation. Physiology does. Oh, and learn to write, jeebus.
 
Not really, as I went on for over two years straight, off for two months, and back on for a couple years. :lol: I went from 173-195 over that time, and I'm a hard gainer. Very hard gainer.

Of course I don't attribute it to the creatine; it was from the combination of lifting heavy, eating heavy, and yes, taking creatine. I just know how I feel when I'm off as opposed to when I'm on; I know the science (or rather, I'm aware of the science). It's a no brainer. Creatine has no downside, and significant upsides.

Take it.
 
So i was searching the boards for how i should dose my creatine differently. I got a bunch of nutraplanet stuff last year (citrulline, beta alanine, aakg, and creatine mono) and that stuff really worked well for something all natural and no side effects (damaging at least anyways) but yeah I was small, like 6'2 160, and creatine and hard work and dieting got me to 175-180, all lean mass because i'm blessed with great genetics. My bench went from 145-195, would've went alot more if i hadn't taken a 3 month break but i'm back up there now.

I'm actually taking creatine ethyl ester now and wondering if i should still dose it the same at monohydrate??

p.s. i'm in the end years of my teenage years
 
calidood said:
HeyI've made the Prohormone mistake several times. The last couple cycles went well. But now I wanna go natural for a bit and see what I can accomplish. I guess sometimes you have to make your own mistakes and hit a few bumps before you listen hard. I haven't been on a PH cycle in about 9 months. So I'm hoping anything that would hinder natural progress is long gone. I'm starting on creatine now. Just plain old creatine monohydrate. Nothing fancy at all. On my fifth day of 20 gram loading right now. I was wondering a couple of things:

1. How long do most people recommend staying on creatine? I've heard about three months mostly. But I've heard of people being on it pretty much all the time too. What do you guys think?

2. How well do people keep their results? I always hear people say "He's on creatine. As soon as he quits taking it, all that size will be lost." But on here, it seems like people say creatine is the best way for a beginner to go. But if you're going to lose all that size, then what's the point?

Help me out here guys! Thanks.
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1. I haven't been off it in a while- I notice that I recover must faster on it than off

2. As far as results- you will hold on to a finite amount of creatine in the muscle cell- any type of weight training or explosive exercise will draw on this finite amount- in terms of "losing" anything from going off creatine in reference to body composition- it makes me a little fuller through increased IM water retention- but the reason I take it relates back to no. 1- it helps me recover faster from training....
 
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