Creatine and testicular cancer.. fact or fiction?

knockout189

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A past trainer of mine made me shy away from creatine. He strongly advised me to NOT use creatine because he said, "There's conclusive evidence that creatine causes testicular cancer...why would you use it if you know you’re putting your nuts on the line?"

I have done some research and I can’t find any info that links creatine with testicular cancer, but I’m still hesitant to use it because I like putting those bad boys to work :naughty:! Does anyone have any information about this?? I figured AM would give me the right answer. I know that creatine is a staple supplement for many and I feel like I would benefit by adding it in on my list- if I can keep my nuts too that is!
 
Fiction

Creatine is something that your body produces naturally to help anaerobically regenerate ATP from ADP. Its present in every cell in your body and if that were the case the cancer wouldn't be localized to the testes.

If the creatine was manufactured improperly and adulterated with a cancer causing substance, that would be another story altogether.
 
Your past trainer is an idiot.

Haha yes that's what I thought. His response to "creatine is naturally occurring in your body" was that the naturally occurring amount is minuscule when compared to the vast quantity that the creatine supplements introduce. His theory seemed flawed, and I'm now happily assured that it was! Thanks guys.

Can someone give me a quick recommendation for a quality creatine? Being
turned away from it in the past I never put much research into which type or brand is the best.
 
I've had pretty good results with the DiCreatine Malate from Nutraplanet.

I'd say away from any CEE, so far studies seem to indicate that it has poorer absorption in comparison to regular monohydrate
 
testosterone is produced naturally but adding more of that isn't good for u. granted it's not the same thing but maybe that's where he's coming from?
 
testosterone is produced naturally but adding more of that isn't good for u. granted it's not the same thing but maybe that's where he's coming from?

Maybe, that's actually a really good point. Too much of anything is not good. I'm sure artifically introducing creatine can have some type of negative affect on the human body, but I was just affirming the fact that one of those effects isn't testicular cancer- because that would suck! When it comes down to it, I'm not willing to trade in my balls for a pair of buldging bis..:nutkick: lol. But from what I'm hearing we don't have to worry about that.
 
Maybe, that's actually a really good point. Too much of anything is not good. I'm sure artifically introducing creatine can have some type of negative affect on the human body, but I was just affirming the fact that one of those effects isn't testicular cancer- because that would suck! When it comes down to it, I'm not willing to trade in my balls for a pair of buldging bis..:nutkick: lol. But from what I'm hearing we don't have to worry about that.

no definitely not. i was just trying to figure out why he would think that. try neovar recomp or cre-02. probably the best 2 creatines out in my opinion
 
FICTION.......

If creatine causes testicular cancer then all of us on here are going to get it and just about every one you know.....and that is gonna be fun to explain to your former trainer when you tell him a lot of women you know came down with testicular cancer, too.

Creatine is a substance that occurs naturally in vertebrates and is part of the energy supply to muscle. It is sold as a supplement because it was found that by adding extrogenous sources at higher amounts than our bodies can make naturally, it improved performance.

Oh, and your former trainer is a dumb ass.

rock on!
Rike
 
It's important to keep in mind the most trainers are completely ignorant on this subject. They are not required to understand supplements (not that they should have too) and anything information they have is usually hearsay or from advertisments. I find most trainers in general are lacking in knowledge on most fitness subjects other than exercise form. When you find a really good trainer, and they are out there, they are a gem.
 
It's important to keep in mind the most trainers are completely ignorant on this subject. They are not required to understand supplements (not that they should have too) and anything information they have is usually hearsay or from advertisments. I find most trainers in general are lacking in knowledge on most fitness subjects other than exercise form. When you find a really good trainer, and they are out there, they are a gem.

doctors are the worst. every bodybuilding supplement to them is poison and will make u die in 5 years
 
hey i got a question too, i'm 16 and is that a good age to take creatine?
many people even around my age i know is taking it or has taken it.

like sumone said here before, our body naturally makes it and if u add more, can i cause imbalance or anything? since im still going through puberty?

i mean should i wait till i get older to take creatine?
 
hey i got a question too, i'm 16 and is that a good age to take creatine?
many people even around my age i know is taking it or has taken it.

like sumone said here before, our body naturally makes it and if u add more, can i cause imbalance or anything? since im still going through puberty?

i mean should i wait till i get older to take creatine?

it won't effect u at all. at 16 ur diet and training aren't down so there's really no point. creatine won't work with a bad diet and not enough water intake. not saying thats u but many 16 year olds are into nothing but benching and curling
 
it won't effect u at all. at 16 ur diet and training aren't down so there's really no point. creatine won't work with a bad diet and not enough water intake. not saying thats u but many 16 year olds are into nothing but benching and curling


what u mean by "at 16 ur diet and training aren't down so there's really no point."
so theres no point in using creatine?
 
what u mean by "at 16 ur diet and training aren't down so there's really no point."
so theres no point in using creatine?

most 16year olds eat like crap and don't drink enough water and creatine or any other supplement won't work under those conditions. that's why they are called dietary supplements. i'm not saying urs isn't good because i have no idea. most posts i see from people that age say i eat all the time and i can't gain weight is creatine good for me. and there answer is no because if u can't gain without it ur not going to gain with it
 
...not gonna debate about it but i've met more than a fair share of peeps who coincide some sexual/libido problems with heavy creatine use. Not all, but some.
 
...not gonna debate about it but i've met more than a fair share of peeps who coincide some sexual/libido problems with heavy creatine use. Not all, but some.

explain heavy creatine use. u use too much ur gonna be on the toilet peeing out ur @ss every 20 minutes
 
:lol: creatine and nut cancer. What a douche.

creatine has nothing to do with libido. Zip. Those affected by 'heavy creatine use' were using other substances along with it. I guarantee pure monohydrate wasn't the only thing they were doing.
 
Comparing creatine (a tripeptide) to testosterone (a hormone) is ludicrous. First of all, creatine is in almost every source of animal flesh we consume (it's stored in striated muscle tissue). Second, while there have been many studies on creatine, most look into it's effects on athletic performance or impact on hydration/renal activity.
 
It's important to keep in mind the most trainers are completely ignorant on this subject. They are not required to understand supplements (not that they should have too) and anything information they have is usually hearsay or from advertisments. I find most trainers in general are lacking in knowledge on most fitness subjects other than exercise form. When you find a really good trainer, and they are out there, they are a gem.

Maybe he's one of the dummies that thinks creatine is a steroid. Ask him to explain how it causes cancer.
 
Comparing creatine (a tripeptide) to testosterone (a hormone) is ludicrous. First of all, creatine is in almost every source of animal flesh we consume (it's stored in striated muscle tissue). Second, while there have been many studies on creatine, most look into it's effects on athletic performance or impact on hydration/renal activity.

Most studies do check renal markers, among other things.
 
After some digging for a credible source about this I found that the French are the ones claiming that creatine has the potential to cause cancer, however the US denounced these claims.

"A 2001 report by the Food Safety Agency of France (AFSSA) raised questions about creatine supplements possibly putting users at greater risk for cancer, particularly if such supplements are taken for long periods of time. However, the European Commission and the Council for Responsible Nutrition in the United States both determined that AFSSA's claims are unsubstantiated and not based on any scientific evidence of a connection between creatine and cancer. All 3 organizations do agree, though, that risks of long-term use of creatine are not known at this time."
 
Creatine has been around for years...if this was so, it would have been known already, for so many of us out there would have grown more lumps in are sacks…the right number is four right? Besides, no disrespect to the profession but many personal trainers out there are complete morons’ that think that since they got a certificate off line for 250 dollars by passing a 10 question true & false test demes them a wealth of knowledge. However there is strong evidence suggesting a correlation between a vasectomy and testicular cancer. I will think twice before my Quadra balls cut.
 
After some digging for a credible source about this I found that the French are the ones claiming that creatine has the potential to cause cancer, however the US denounced these claims.

"A 2001 report by the Food Safety Agency of France (AFSSA) raised questions about creatine supplements possibly putting users at greater risk for cancer, particularly if such supplements are taken for long periods of time. However, the European Commission and the Council for Responsible Nutrition in the United States both determined that AFSSA's claims are unsubstantiated and not based on any scientific evidence of a connection between creatine and cancer. All 3 organizations do agree, though, that risks of long-term use of creatine are not known at this time."

Creatine is found in a lot of different meats. In theory, we're all long term studies in creatine supplementation. And their is tons of empirical evidence on creatine. I doubt creatine has any carcinogenic properties.
 
Creatine is found in a lot of different meats. In theory, we're all long term studies in creatine supplementation. And their is tons of empirical evidence on creatine. I doubt creatine has any carcinogenic properties.

I would have to agree with you that creatine probably does not have any carcinogenic properties because I don't think it would even be a debate at this point in time. However the argument for the fact that it might is that the amount of creatine acquired from consuming meats is small and insignificant when compared to the large amount that creatine supplements deliver, thus the amount of creatine consumed from meats is too little to have any substantial effect.
 
It's very hard to believe that a supposed "trainer" would ever make up such absolute BS. I guess our NIH (National Institute of Health" is purposely trying to kill off the thousands of guys they are testing in a multi-year program at 50 some Hospitals, Centers and Universities with 10 gms of Creatine a day. This is third stage testing to verify Creatine's role as the best natural cure for neuro-degenerative diseases like Parkinson's.
 
ya gotta love people's reasoning skills. ya just gotta. this definitely isn't going to stop my intentions of doing a CM+BA stack though LOL
 
Burn the meat that the creatine is in, now THAT'S carcinogenic.

Even heterocyclic amines can be reduced by 90% by microwaving the meat for a few minutes before cooking it or using fresh spices.

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Hey Im taking this amplified creatine 189 in pill form that i got from GNC and im starting to run out. I just had a couple of questions... Which is better pill or powder form?... and what is a good and low priced creatine that i can stock up on because **** paying fifty bucks at GNC for one bottle! THOSE GNC BASTARDS!
 
Hey Im taking this amplified creatine 189 in pill form that i got from GNC and im starting to run out. I just had a couple of questions... Which is better pill or powder form?... and what is a good and low priced creatine that i can stock up on because **** paying fifty bucks at GNC for one bottle! THOSE GNC BASTARDS!

Pills will cost you more. Convenience factor.

If you're looking for something cheap, just get a creatine monohydrate, and order it online. You'll pay a much better price here than you will at GNC.
 
If you're looking for something cheap, just get a creatine monohydrate, and order it online. You'll pay a much better price here than you will at GNC.
you could also go with the Prolab creatine monohydrate. I believe they sell them in pairs of 300g bottles so you're getting 600g for around 20 some odd dollars. Cost effective and Creapure quality. do some shopping around and see what works best for you.
 
Kre-alkalyn is great too. I've used this as well as other people and we all had decent results. The nice thing here is that you don't have to load at all, less bloating, and smaller doses.
 
Kre-alkalyn is great too. I've used this as well as other people and we all had decent results. The nice thing here is that you don't have to load at all, less bloating, and smaller doses.
i thought creatines like Kre-Alk and ethyl ester were debunked and actually proven to be inferior to regular ol' CM?

i think i need to go back to that thread and review it. it's been quite some time now but i hear more from folks about research showing Kre-Alk, CEE and other "super-forms" of creatine being less effective than CM. forgive me if I'm wrong. it happens :)
 
You may be right. I've used both, and had success with both. However that's not to say that in you or in anyone in particular that one may be more effective than the other. The best way is to try suggestions, and see what works for you. CM may very well be more effective in the general population, I just go by what works for me. To each their own I suppose. :)
 
thought creatines like Kre-Alk and ethyl ester were debunked and actually proven to be inferior to regular ol' CM?

i think i need to go back to that thread and review it. it's been quite some time now but i hear more from folks about research showing Kre-Alk, CEE and other "super-forms" of creatine being less effective than CM. forgive me if I'm wrong. it happens

I haven't seen anything about Kre-Alkyn but I've seen a couple of research studies that have shown CEE to have an inferior absorption rate to CM.

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Research debunking CEE & Kre-Alkalyn. Enjoy.

Friday, June 15, 2007
Inside Supplements: CEE & Kre-Alkalyn Debunked!

Presented by Dr. Mark Tallon at the recent ISSN Conference:

Creatine ethyl ester rapidly degrades to creatinine in stomach acid

Child R1 and Tallon

MJ21Department of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. 2University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, [email protected]

Creatine ethyl ester (CEE) is a commercially available synthetic creatine that is now widely used in dietary supplements. It comprises of creatine with an ethyl group attached and this molecular configuration is reported to provide several advantages over creatine monohydrate (CM). The Medical Research Institute (CA, USA) claim that the CEE in their product (CE2) provides greater solubility in lipids, leading to improved absorption. Similarly San (San Corporation, CA, USA) claim that the CEE in their product (San CM2 Alpha) avoids the breakdown of creatine to creatinine in stomach acids. Ultimately it is claimed that CEE products provide greater absorption and efficacy than CM. To date, none of these claims have been evaluated by an independent, or university laboratory and no comparative data are available on CEE and CM.

This study assessed the availability of creatine from three commercial creatine products during degradation in acidic conditions similar to those that occur in the stomach. They comprised of two products containing CEE (San CM2 Alpha and CE2) and commercially available CM (CreapureÒ). An independent laboratory, using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP), performed the analysis. Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37± 1oC and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes. Creatine availability was assessed by immediately assaying for free creatine, CEE and the creatine breakdown product creatinine, using HPLC (UV).

After 30 minutes incubation only 73% of the initial CEE present was available from CE2, while the amount of CEE available from San CM2 Alpha was even lower at only 62%. In contrast, more than 99% of the creatine remained available from the CM product. These reductions in CEE availability were accompanied by substantial creatinine formation, without the appearance of free creatine. After 120minutes incubation 72% of the CEE was available from CE2 with only 11% available from San CM2 Alpha, while more than 99% of the creatine remained available from CM.

CEE is claimed to provide several advantages over CM because of increased solubility and stability. In practice, the addition of the ethyl group to creatine actually reduces acid stability and accelerates its breakdown to creatinine. This substantially reduces creatine availability in its esterified form and as a consequence creatines such as San CM2 and CE2 are inferior to CM as a source of free creatine.

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Kre-alkalyn® supplementation has no beneficial effect on creatine-to-creatinine conversion rates.

Tallon MJ1 and Child R21

University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, 2Department of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. [email protected]

All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp. (Billings, MT, USA) claim that Kre-alkalyn® (KA) a “Buffered” creatine, is 100% stable in stomach acid and does not convert to creatinine. In contrast, they also claim that creatine monohydrate (CM) is highly pH labile with more than 90% of the creatine converting to the degradation product creatinine in stomach acids. To date, no independent or university laboratory has evaluated the stability of KA in stomach acids, assessed its possible conversion to creatinine, or made direct comparisons of acid stability with CM.

This study examined whether KA supplementation reduced the rate of creatine conversion to creatinine, relative to commercially available CM (CreapureÒ). Creatine products were analyzed by an independent commercial laboratory using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP). Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37± 1oC and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes and immediately analyzed by HPLC (UV) for creatine and creatinine.

In contrast to the claims of All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp., the rate of creatinine formation from CM was found to be less than 1% of the initial dose, demonstrating that CM is extremely stable under acidic conditions that replicate those of the stomach. This study also showed that KA supplementation actually resulted in 35% greater conversion of creatine to creatinine than CM. In conclusion the conversion of creatine to creatinine is not a limitation in the delivery of creatine from CM and KA is less stable than CM in the acid conditions of the stomach.

The effects of creatine ethyl ester supplementation combined with heavy resistance training on body composition, muscle performance, and serum and muscle creatine levels

This study examined how a seven-week supplementation regimen combined with resistance training affected body composition, muscle mass, muscle strength and power, serum and muscle creatine levels, and serum creatinine levels in 30 non-resistance-trained males. In a double-blind manner, participants were randomly assigned to a maltodextrose placebo (PLA), creatine monohydrate (CRT), or creatine ethyl ester (CEE) group. The supplements were orally ingested at a dose of 0.30 g/kg fat-free body mass (approximately 20 g/day) for five days followed by ingestion at 0.075 g/kg fat free mass (approximately 5 g/day) for 42 days. Results showed significantly higher serum creatine concentrations in PLA (p = 0.007) and CRT (p = 0.005) compared to CEE. Serum creatinine was greater in CEE compared to the PLA (p = 0.001) and CRT (p = 0.001) and increased at days 6, 27, and 48. Total muscle creatine content was significantly higher in CRT (p = 0.026) and CEE (p = 0.041) compared to PLA, with no differences between CRT and CEE. Significant changes over time were observed for body composition, body water, muscle strength and power variables, but no significant differences were observed between groups. In conclusion, when compared to creatine monohydrate, creatine ethyl ester was not as effective at increasing serum and muscle creatine levels or in improving body composition, muscle mass, strength, and power. Therefore, the improvements in these variables can most likely be attributed to the training protocol itself, rather than the supplementation regimen.
 
Perfect! Interestingly, or tellingly, several board sponsors used to have CEE or Kre products, and have now switched to alternate forms of creatine.
 
Perfect! Interestingly, or tellingly, several board sponsors used to have CEE or Kre products, and have now switched to alternate forms of creatine.
I guess that can serve as a lesson to us (the consumer) and them (the companies): going with the latest, hottest and newest until all the information is in! Many ingredients/supplements have very little, if any, conclusive research done on them. Go with what's been proven to work and let the rest be the guinea pigs. Time tells all.
 
I guess that can serve as a lesson to us (the consumer) and them (the companies): going with the latest, hottest and newest until all the information is in! Many ingredients/supplements have very little, if any, conclusive research done on them. Go with what's been proven to work and let the rest be the guinea pigs. Time tells all.

Yeah. It has to be different for everyone tho, because my buddy is taking kre-aklyn and he has taken regular CM as well and he said he has had the most success withe the kre. So who knows...
 
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