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Forewarning: No bloods (my state does not have anon bloods
I took LGD + MK667 (massgh) at 4/8/8 for the LGD and 10/20/20 for the MK667 and got through about 3.5 weeks of the cycle before I decided to cut it short and PCT with DAA 3g and Torem 60/30. I also took 25mg arimistane just in case to prevent possible estro sides.
I noticed great strength and weight gain on-cycle after about a week and a half. The MK shot my appetite through the roof - I was literally insatiable the entire time. I definitely felt the bloat and held on to a ton of water, as well as improved sleep. I noticed no sides from the LGD aside from maybe one or two minor pimples, which is not altogether uncommon in one's mid-twenties.
It wasn't until the third week that I noticed pretty severe lethargy, so much so that I found it difficult to get up and go to work or do much of anything other than sit on the couch, eat, play games, and lift once a day. Around this time, I also noticed a drop in libido (which had been even higher than normal during weeks 1-2), weak boners, and about 15-20% smaller nuts. I gained about 6 pounds and put 15-30 pounds on all of my main lifts. I seem to have kept this strength and weight for the most part, and I feel fine after the mini-pct. It's been about a month since I finished the cycle, and I'd like to try it again in about a week.
I have no concerns about the legitimacy of the LGD as I haven't heard anything negative about OL UK and my experience coheres with that of others who have logged legit LGD - I just suspect that I've always been plagued with fairly low test (impossible to say without bloods, obviously) and the mild suppression from the LGD brought it to a noticeable level. This is just a theory based on my experience.
I've read plenty and I'm fully aware that some people run LGD for 8 weeks with no PCT (or even longer), feel great, and have no sides. I'd rather be safe than sorry and have torem on hand and arimistane. Also because it's relevant, training = westside and diet = 3k-4k cals/day on cycle.
With all of that said, my question is this: how can I mitigate the suppression effects that I noticed from this first cycle so that I can do a longer 6-8 week cycle next time? I'm aware that I could run a test base to achieve this, but I won't pin. I'm considering running transdermal trest, but I'm wary of its effectiveness considering it's methylated and requires liver care, an AI, heavier PCT, ect. I'm not opposed to it, I just want to make the best-informed decision. I've read that 4-andro/dermacrine are ineffective. I also have a bunch of osta on hand that I haven't tried - I assume it's going to have a lesser suppressive effect but also lesser efficacy. I can run ECY stack to combat the lethargy and libido, but that'll negatively affect my appetite and thusly gains.
Thanks in advance for the replies.
tl;dr felt lethargy and weak boners on LGD/MK667, cut first cycle short because of it. Want to run longer 6-8 week cycle with strong boners, won't pin test or take ED drugs...what do?
I took LGD + MK667 (massgh) at 4/8/8 for the LGD and 10/20/20 for the MK667 and got through about 3.5 weeks of the cycle before I decided to cut it short and PCT with DAA 3g and Torem 60/30. I also took 25mg arimistane just in case to prevent possible estro sides.
I noticed great strength and weight gain on-cycle after about a week and a half. The MK shot my appetite through the roof - I was literally insatiable the entire time. I definitely felt the bloat and held on to a ton of water, as well as improved sleep. I noticed no sides from the LGD aside from maybe one or two minor pimples, which is not altogether uncommon in one's mid-twenties.
It wasn't until the third week that I noticed pretty severe lethargy, so much so that I found it difficult to get up and go to work or do much of anything other than sit on the couch, eat, play games, and lift once a day. Around this time, I also noticed a drop in libido (which had been even higher than normal during weeks 1-2), weak boners, and about 15-20% smaller nuts. I gained about 6 pounds and put 15-30 pounds on all of my main lifts. I seem to have kept this strength and weight for the most part, and I feel fine after the mini-pct. It's been about a month since I finished the cycle, and I'd like to try it again in about a week.
I have no concerns about the legitimacy of the LGD as I haven't heard anything negative about OL UK and my experience coheres with that of others who have logged legit LGD - I just suspect that I've always been plagued with fairly low test (impossible to say without bloods, obviously) and the mild suppression from the LGD brought it to a noticeable level. This is just a theory based on my experience.
I've read plenty and I'm fully aware that some people run LGD for 8 weeks with no PCT (or even longer), feel great, and have no sides. I'd rather be safe than sorry and have torem on hand and arimistane. Also because it's relevant, training = westside and diet = 3k-4k cals/day on cycle.
With all of that said, my question is this: how can I mitigate the suppression effects that I noticed from this first cycle so that I can do a longer 6-8 week cycle next time? I'm aware that I could run a test base to achieve this, but I won't pin. I'm considering running transdermal trest, but I'm wary of its effectiveness considering it's methylated and requires liver care, an AI, heavier PCT, ect. I'm not opposed to it, I just want to make the best-informed decision. I've read that 4-andro/dermacrine are ineffective. I also have a bunch of osta on hand that I haven't tried - I assume it's going to have a lesser suppressive effect but also lesser efficacy. I can run ECY stack to combat the lethargy and libido, but that'll negatively affect my appetite and thusly gains.
Thanks in advance for the replies.
tl;dr felt lethargy and weak boners on LGD/MK667, cut first cycle short because of it. Want to run longer 6-8 week cycle with strong boners, won't pin test or take ED drugs...what do?