Could you safely pulse like this indefinitely?

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Yo, long time user, first time poster on this particular forum. The origination of pulsing seems to have come from here, so I figured this would be the place to ask. I have a crapton on Powerlab Nutrition products: 10 bottles Primabol and 6 bottles of Epitest, so I wanted to see what guys may think.

Workout day -

-10mg Powerlab Nutrition Primabol (Superdrol clone-methylated in a different position from original--makes it substantially weaker) - 1 Pill
-Powerlab Nutrition Epitest (Epistane + Halotest) - 1 Pill

Split the pills into 2 doses, 1/2 a pill of each in the morning, 1/2 a pill of each afternoon = Total of 1 pill per each on workout days.

Take on workout days only, about 4 to 5 days a week. Then after 3 weeks or so take a prolonged break of 5 days with nolvadex.

Liv52 and Powerlab Nutrition Liver supp taking throughout. Per week, you'd only be taking 8-10 pills. Ie... about 3-4 days worth.

My reasoning behind this idea is that at these dosages I can completely maintain all my muscle (while also cutting fat for this summer) and I don't seem to get any side effects with the proper ancillaries.

My biggest concern, of course, is my liver. I already ran two 3 week cycles (regular ones) since mid december and haven't gotten any blood tests. Feel great, though, of course. :yup:

Anyone tried anything like this?
 
no... dont do that

pulsing is stupid... look for pulse bloodwork
 
There are varied reports, but pulsing works wonders with me. My biggest question is whether or not the low dosages and off time allow the liver to stay in tip top shape.
 
There are varied reports, but pulsing works wonders with me. My biggest question is whether or not the low dosages and off time allow the liver to stay in tip top shape.



theres no way to know for sure...

but your liver isnt guna be in "tip top shape" if your putting superdrol in it... not ever...

did u ever get bloodwork before during and after a pulse?
 
No, not a good idea. Run a pulse for 6-8 weeks max.

I did a pulse, got bloodwork (posted on here), and it shut me down. I was doing Epi at 30-60mg three times a week for 6 weeks.

Also, since you're running cycles, you should get regular bloodwork, before cycles and after PCT to make sure you're recovered (lipid, liver, HPTA, etc.).
 
Yo, long time user, first time poster on this particular forum. The origination of pulsing seems to have come from here, so I figured this would be the place to ask. I have a crapton on Powerlab Nutrition products: 10 bottles Primabol and 6 bottles of Epitest, so I wanted to see what guys may think.

Workout day -

-10mg Powerlab Nutrition Primabol (Superdrol clone-methylated in a different position from original--makes it substantially weaker) - 1 Pill
-Powerlab Nutrition Epitest (Epistane + Halotest) - 1 Pill

Split the pills into 2 doses, 1/2 a pill of each in the morning, 1/2 a pill of each afternoon = Total of 1 pill per each on workout days.

Take on workout days only, about 4 to 5 days a week. Then after 3 weeks or so take a prolonged break of 5 days with nolvadex.

Liv52 and Powerlab Nutrition Liver supp taking throughout. Per week, you'd only be taking 8-10 pills. Ie... about 3-4 days worth.

My reasoning behind this idea is that at these dosages I can completely maintain all my muscle (while also cutting fat for this summer) and I don't seem to get any side effects with the proper ancillaries.

My biggest concern, of course, is my liver. I already ran two 3 week cycles (regular ones) since mid december and haven't gotten any blood tests. Feel great, though, of course. :yup:

Anyone tried anything like this?

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Dr. D's guide, "How to Pulse Orals"

There are a lot of guy's that are just going to bash your post because they do not believe in pulsing.

No, not a good idea. Run a pulse for 6-8 weeks max.

I'd say if you want to pulse as you have reasons for, stick with your 3 week or try 4 week. The longer you extend 6-8 weeks max, the more posible problems you could have.


The general rule is. Time OFF = Time ON + PCT.
When doing a pulse to make it really save multilply by 2.

Time OFF = ((Time ON + PCT) * 2)

Your 3 week pulse cycle + 5 day PCT.
12 ON days + 5 PCT= 17.
((12 Time ON + 5 PCT) * 2) = 34 Days.
I'd say a month off is close enough.

Once again, lot of guy's that are just going to bash your post.
But if you want to pulse, more powerr to you, don't want to run a straight cycle, it's not there body, your in control.
 
No, not a good idea. Run a pulse for 6-8 weeks max.

I did a pulse, got bloodwork (posted on here), and it shut me down. I was doing Epi at 30-60mg three times a week for 6 weeks.

Also, since you're running cycles, you should get regular bloodwork, before cycles and after PCT to make sure you're recovered (lipid, liver, HPTA, etc.).


omg wtf and you were shutdown?


/sarcasm
 
The OFF time I gave you above was based on a (3 Week Pulse, Pulsing 4 times a week).
You should not be ON 5 days a week, if your going to pulse, it is getting too close to a straight cycle.

You need to read the thread Dr. D's guide, "How to Pulse Orals" to understand the theory and all the post that come with it will take weeks to read and get a true understanding.

A lot of guys have been asking me to clarify the theory behind this cycling technique, so here's a basic explanation.


What is "pulse" cycling? Pulsing is a method of dosing that is intentionally designed to avoid potential long-term side effects such as HPTA suppression and liver stress. This technique was originally developed in an effort to prevent the usual HPAA suppression experienced during long-term corticosteroid therapy in children. With pulse therapy, it was observed that the serious long-term side effects of chronic oral treatment were often prevented, and the short-term side effects like acne and mineral retention were typically much milder. This can also allow for higher doses to be used since the dosing is less frequent. Starting with this template, if one normally takes a product at 30 mg/day, that equals a total intake of 210 mg/week. While pulsing, one might typically take 40 mg of that same product on work out days only, 3 times per week. That calculates to 120 mg/week total, which is 90 mg less than usual. This provides the needed benefits of the product at arguably the most crucial metabolic times, which are just before and just after a work out. This offers a means of possibly attenuating the endocrine suppression that one might otherwise encounter on a standard cycle. In many cases, a conventional post cycle therapy should not be required after a typical 4 week pulse. However, while pulses of 6-8 weeks are permissible, a conventional post cycle therapy may still be prudent for some individuals. Idiosyncrasy seems to play a big role in regard to tolerance of duration, so general predictions obviously become tricky as duration increases.

Theoretically, if one doses every day in perfectly spaced intervals, one should achieve 100% effects, 100% short-term sides, and 100% long-term sides. If one doses every other day like the pulse protocol, one might better anticipate 60% effects, 75% short-term sides but only about 40% of the long-term sides. This means that if one would have gained 10 pounds on a standard 1 month cycle, one might instead only gain about 6 pounds per month pulsing. Since the time on is roughly only half when pulsing, the total length of the cycle can be doubled to basically 2 months. Using the same calculation, the net result would be a gain of 12 pounds over 2 months, instead of the 10 pound gain expected from the 1 month standard cycle. That means a greater net gain of 2 pounds per cycle, and perhaps a more permanent gain due to the slower rate of acquisition and longer time of reinforcement! For this reason, pulsing can be very economical on the body as well as the wallet, and offer a desirable alternative for conservative veterans just looking to stay in shape, or potential new comers exploring additional safety measures.

There are three common types of pulse:
1) EOD dosing (3-4 times per week)
2) 2 days on / 2 days off
3) 2 weeks on / 2 weeks off (2 wks is the longest viable on time consideration, no longer)

Depending on one's workout schedule, one of these options may offer optimal pulsing efficiency. On average, effective doses may typically be around 1.5x the normal daily dose of a standard cycle, and these doses are taken very close to one other. It's not essential that the last dose be administered before 6 pm, but the earlier the better for reducing suppression potential. Half the total dose can be taken pre work out, and the other half taken post work out. If an odd numbered dose is used, the greater of the 2 doses might best be taken pre work out. However, when pulsing non-methylated or fast acting supplements, the greater dose would instead be best utilized post work out based on half-life considerations. Individuals who are extremely sensitive to shutdown may even prefer to take the entire dose pre work out. When pulsing, dosing at least 3 day per week but not more than 4 day per week should foster optimal results.

There are a few miscellaneous nutrition considerations that would be wise to keep in mind. Having a quality, high carb/calorie post work out meal (or shake) is important to proper recovery, and ingesting sufficient protein especially on the off days doesn't hurt either. A cortisol antagonist like low dose DHEA (25-50 mg) may be helpful for slow healers or hard gainers. Some studies show that cortisol peaks in the morning and again in the mid afternoon, which might therefore be the ideal times for an anti-cort. An herbal or AI based test-boosting supplement used nightly (or at least on one's off nights) might prove very effective as additional insurance to discourage the possibility of suppression. SERMs with long half-lives probably require extra consideration and caution. One may observe that testicular volume and/or testosterone levels reset slightly above previous baseline at the end of 2 consecutive off days, or at the end of the cycle itself. This phenomenon is called 'bounce' back. This seemingly paradoxical bounce appears to reflect the body's short-term homeostasis effort, and acts somewhat like a built-in pct with this method. It's also good to remember that the smaller number of dose exposures likely means faster liver clearance of your supplement. Liver ancillaries (like healthy oils and anti-oxidants) are not contraindicated, but Milk Thistle in high doses could act counter productive to gains. Therefore, if you elect to use liver protectants, reserving them for off days only might be good middle ground. As always, I suggest that one only consider using legal, commercially available nutritional supplements, and always consult a physician prior to use of any supplement. Cycle safe!


Example of a 3x/wk pulse M,W,F:

Week-Dose(mg)
1 (10,20,30)
2 30
3 30-40
4 30-40
5 30-50
6 30-50
7 30-60
8 30-60

Example of a 4x/wk pulse Sat, Sun, Wed, Thur:

Week-Dose(mg)
1 (10,20,30,30)
2 30
3 30-40
4 30-40
5 30-50
6 30-50
 
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