I appreciate the suggestions, I don't really want anything that affects estrogen because I'm not prone to high estrogen and even one or two caps of original erase is too much for me everyday to the point that my estrogen is crushed. When I tried erase pro eventually my estrogen got so low that I had 0 sex drive and even my lifting motivation went down. Anytime I have run the erase it was with daa so you would expect that my estrogen would get high because of the extra test but it doesn't seem like it really does. I do enjoy the affects of erase at the 1 cap a day dose but my joints do fatigue eventually even from that. I run 4 caps of Achilles, 4 super cissus, and fish oil for my joints.