Continue halodrol cycle?

Number 10 said:
Cheers. To be honest, I remember when I first started doing cycles. I was told I was too lightweight to play the sport I wanted, so aimed for 28lbs in 8 weeks. Didn't care what it looked like, and achieved it. I looked really puffy and swollen, but I was happy because I'd put it on and was "bigger". What happened? First training of the new season I prolapsed 2 discs in my lower back because I was too heavy and my body couldn't cope with the rapid change in my physique.

Nowadays, I never aim to "bulk", but aim for a goal on lifting or a physique goal. But thinking back to when I first started, I can totally understand the OP's mindset.

I'd bet very few people when they first started got it perfect, although saying that the OP probably shouldn't be cycling if he's no real experience first. That said, he's going to cycle irrespective, so he'll have to learn as he goes.

More importantly, if he's taking halo, and it converts to Turinabol (which I'm sure it does), then he has absolutely no hope of 20lbs in 6 weeks surely? For me T'bol wasn't a "mass gainer", but gave a mild strength Increase which was probably placebo and made me look a bit harder?! It's surely nothing on some of the wetter compounds out there for all out mass (my experience with oral PH's ended with M1T and Phera).
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And yeah apparently halo sorta converts to tbol, but more then anything it is anabolic on its own. It resembles tbol more then anything. That being said I shoulda added test shots to my cycle. Even a TRT amount woulda made the cycle better bc halo reduces free bound test
 
Natty22 said:
And yeah apparently halo sorta converts to tbol, but more then anything it is anabolic on its own. It resembles tbol more then anything. That being said I shoulda added test shots to my cycle. Even a TRT amount woulda made the cycle better bc halo reduces free bound test
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You sure about this? I thought it had to undergo the conversion to T'bol first before it became active.

Either way, my point is you could have chosen a better PH as a mass gainer if you weren't stacking. Something wetter - hopefully someone can chime in here but isn't M1-4ADD or whatever it's called a prohormone to D'Bol? Surely a much better choice as a pure mass gainer than something that converts to T'bol. Someone who knows PH's better would be your man here...Jbry?
 
Number 10 said:
You sure about this? I thought it had to undergo the conversion to T'bol first before it became active.

Either way, my point is you could have chosen a better PH as a mass gainer if you weren't stacking. Something wetter - hopefully someone can chime in here but isn't M1-4ADD or whatever it's called a prohormone to D'Bol? Surely a much better choice as a pure mass gainer than something that converts to T'bol. Someone who knows PH's better would be your man here...Jbry?
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Yeah,
M 1,4ADD (Wet)
Dzine (Dry)
MSten (Dry)
MLMG (Wet)

All of those dosed correctly are good for 8-15lbs.

There are still a few places selling SD/MLMG stacks. That would blow you up if it didn't kill u first, lol.
 
Number 10 said:
Hold on a second, isn't halo a precursor to Turinabol?
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Not sure about this^^ but I just finished a run or halo x , not sure if it's the same as OPs halodrol but I had a great run with it . Gained like 17 lb in 6 weeks. My first run. Good results but I sure as he'll was eating a lot better than OP. Eat dirty sometimes if you have to. You need that food to get bigger.
 
skinnybones said:
Not sure about this^^ but I just finished a run or halo x , not sure if it's the same as OPs halodrol but I had a great run with it . Gained like 17 lb in 6 weeks. My first run. Good results but I sure as he'll was eating a lot better than OP. Eat dirty sometimes if you have to. You need that food to get bigger.
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At 5% conversion 150mg is giving 15mg T'bol. I was running up to 60mg per day (equivalent of 600mg halodrol) and still didn't see enormous weight gain. Maybe I'm a bad responder to it, although mine wasn't a true "bulk".
 
Rarchib said:
Yeah I didn't explicitly say that. I meant if the OP was having a tough time bulking already and he tried to get in 4lb of meat a day it would probably be difficult for him to also get a proper carb intake. I just thought he was going to focus too much of his efforts on protein intake. Either way, it's more of a long term concern. As I said before, if the OP can eat 4lbs of meat a day and still get in a sufficient amount of carbs, he is fine.
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Ketoacidosis takes awhile.to build up either way.
 
Number 10 said:
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At 5% conversion 150mg is giving 15mg T'bol. I was running up to 60mg per day (equivalent of 600mg halodrol) and still didn't see enormous weight gain. Maybe I'm a bad responder to it, although mine wasn't a true "bulk".
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Do you think that body size & age might have something to do with the gains? I'm 6feet 41 years old, ran halo at 75/75/100/100/100/100
Kept my cals at 2700-3000. Went from 184 to 201
Solid.
Hey OP, give it a few weeks. Just keep eating & working out.
 
Number 10 said:
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At 5% conversion 150mg is giving 15mg T'bol. I was running up to 60mg per day (equivalent of 600mg halodrol) and still didn't see enormous weight gain. Maybe I'm a bad responder to it, although mine wasn't a true "bulk".
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But Halodrol is active all by itself. This is apparent because taking 75mg/day of the stuff is way stronger than 3.75mg (5%) of Tbol. Way stronger.

My strength jumped 20lbs on every lift and I saw about 10lbs of gains which to this day are still here (6 months later). Not to mention it was dry gains too.
 
skinnybones said:
Do you think that body size & age might have something to do with the gains? I'm 6feet 41 years old, ran halo at 75/75/100/100/100/100 Kept my cals at 2700-3000. Went from 184 to 201 Solid. Hey OP, give it a few weeks. Just keep eating & working out.
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Maybe? Although I'm 10+ years younger, and 2 inches taller. Body weight is roughly the same, so I'd expect to have put more on. Like I said though, mine wasn't a true bulk.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to say others hadn't got decent gains off it, my point was that there are better bulking compounds out there than halo if the OP is going for raw size.

Did you keep all your gains? 17lbs in 6 weeks is a lot, especially if it was solid with no fat. Surely a proportion of that was water?
 
skinnybones said:
Do you think that body size & age might have something to do with the gains? I'm 6feet 41 years old, ran halo at 75/75/100/100/100/100
Kept my cals at 2700-3000. Went from 184 to 201
Solid.
Hey OP, give it a few weeks. Just keep eating & working out.
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Nope, I dont think the androgen history makes much difference. My previous cycles (over 6 years) included:

Tren-X
Tren-X/Epi
SD/Tren-X/Halo
Phera + AAS
etc,etc

And recently the H-drol + TRT. Put on 10lbs of mass and kept all of it. Very little sides. Libido was a little low towards the end but everything else was decent. I had to watch my estrogen levels though because my TRT dose was converting to estrogen more rapidly than without the Halo.
 
fueledpassion said:
But Halodrol is active all by itself. This is apparent because taking 75mg/day of the stuff is way stronger than 3.75mg (5%) of Tbol. Way stronger. My strength jumped 20lbs on every lift and I saw about 10lbs of gains which to this day are still here (6 months later). Not to mention it was dry gains too.
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I can't argue with you here, that's your experience and I respect that. I'm sure you're right, I'm by no means an expert on PH's, that's just what I'd always believed to be true from what I'd read (halo + conversion = T'bol).

I gave my experience of T'bol because that's something I have used. Would definitely agree with the strength, which I thought was weird as it doesn't have a high andro rating (read somewhere it was close to 0).

My post was actually meant to mean (and obviously this hasn't come across well) that halo is not the best choice of PH for a pure bulk. There are better options out there than this. I'm not saying it doesn't work for people, it was just my opinion.

Out of interest, how much weight did you gain and how long did you run it for? And did you run it solo?
 
Sorry to guys I'm not bagging on anyone at all. Only throwing out what I know about as well only to help OP have a good run:)
I to am on TRT but doctors make it so underdosed I'm all ways compensating for it.
I hope I keep my gains. I ran mine solo .... But I'm only on my 5th day of pct.... Holding at 197lb
 
skinnybones said:
Sorry to guys I'm not bagging on anyone at all. Only throwing out what I know about as well only to help OP have a good run:) I to am on TRT but doctors make it so underdosed I'm all ways compensating for it. I hope I keep my gains. I ran mine solo .... But I'm only on my 5th day of pct.... Holding at 197lb
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Didn't think you were bagging anyone (although as a Brit I have no idea what that even means)!

No worries mate, cheers for the answers. And agreed, all of this is to help the OP, hopefully he'll get the sorts of results he's looking for and if not he'll come back and try and figure out where he went wrong.

Good luck with PCT, let me know how it ends up?
 
Number 10 said:
I can't argue with you here, that's your experience and I respect that. I'm sure you're right, I'm by no means an expert on PH's, that's just what I'd always believed to be true from what I'd read (halo + conversion = T'bol).

I gave my experience of T'bol because that's something I have used. Would definitely agree with the strength, which I thought was weird as it doesn't have a high andro rating (read somewhere it was close to 0).

My post was actually meant to mean (and obviously this hasn't come across well) that halo is not the best choice of PH for a pure bulk. There are better options out there than this. I'm not saying it doesn't work for people, it was just my opinion.

Out of interest, how much weight did you gain and how long did you run it for? And did you run it solo?
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Duly noted. At the time I weighed 157lbs and went to 167lbs. In case u were wondering, I'm short. All of the weight came on in week 4ish through week 6. But I was trying to cut the first three weeks so I dunno...

And no, I ran it with 140mg Test (TRT). It is important to note that I wasnt experiencing any weight gain at all prior to the Halo. I think it is also important to note that not everyone experiences similar results with these compounds. For instance, the most Epi ever did for me was 4lbs and that was after tapering up to 60mg/day. Everyone else seems to pack in 15lbs with this stuff! A bit disappointing.
 
fueledpassion said:
Duly noted. At the time I weighed 157lbs and went to 167lbs. In case u were wondering, I'm short. All of the weight came on in week 4ish through week 6. But I was trying to cut the first three weeks so I dunno... And no, I ran it with 140mg Test (TRT). It is important to note that I wasnt experiencing any weight gain at all prior to the Halo.
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Good stuff and fair enough. I'm possibly wrong, was just giving my experience with T'bol and thoughts on halo to the OP - those are decent enough gains if kept.

I'm definitely not an expert, but when I researched T'bol it was supposed to have a really strong synergistic effect with test, something to do with it binding and leaving more free test. If you want I can try and find the info I read somewhere.

Maybe halo is having the same effect, and could be why both of you have gained really well whilst doing halo and TRT, it's possibly making your test more potent by leaving more of it free?! Then again, could be totally wrong about it. It's been a while since I looked into T'bol and I don't hold onto detailed information amazingly well!

Good luck with your goals.
 
fueledpassion said:
I think it is also important to note that not everyone experiences similar results with these compounds. For instance, the most Epi ever did for me was 4lbs and that was after tapering up to 60mg/day. Everyone else seems to pack in 15lbs with this stuff! A bit disappointing.
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Just seen your edit, and I totally agree. I did say earlier that it could just be that I didn't respond well to T'bol, and that I wasn't doing a true "bulk" which could be why I didn't see the weight gain reported by others.

I respond brilliantly to topical dienelone - so much so that I've just ordered 8 bottles to run with my test prop. Literally cannot wait for it to arrive!! You should give it a run if you haven't already, I'd definitely recommend that.
 
Number 10 said:
Just seen your edit, and I totally agree. I did say early that I could just be that I didn't respond well to T'bol, and that I wasn't doing a true "bulk" which could be why I didn't see the weight gain reported by others.

I responded brilliantly to topical dienelone - so much so that I've just ordered 8 bottles to run with my test prop. Literally cannot wait for it to arrive!! You should give it a run if you haven't already, I'd definitely recommend that.
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I've tried it. I like the pro-dien better though. But since I'm married now, I stay away from 19-nor's as much as possible.

The theory on h-drol and test is a good one I think because there is no good reason why the Halo should have outperformed SD or Stenzine, which it did for me.
 
fueledpassion said:
I've tried it. I like the pro-dien better though. But since I'm married now, I stay away from 19-nor's as much as possible. The theory on h-drol and test is a good one I think because there is no good reason why the Halo should have outperformed SD or Stenzine, which it did for me.
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I'll bear that in mind, I haven't tried pro-dien. Might look into that for a future cycle. Cheers.
 
If 4lb of meat stops you eating carbs then eat less meat
Why is this so ****ing difficult?
 
Number 10 said:
What's made the difference? Did you change your diet at all? What week are you in now?
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Yes past two days more meat...last night and this morning had the leftovers. It was basically ground beef and potatoes...oh and had fast food my lunch break..dirty bulkin is what I needa do

3 more days till I finish week 4
 
5lb of actual muscle in 4 weeks would be pretty good
5lb of water, not so much
 
EatMoar said:
Agreed bud but he said he shot up 5lbs in a day, therefore its all water/glycogen retention due to him finally eating :O
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oh right, missed that part lol
 
No this week I am 5 lbs heavier...so far id say Ive gained 8-10 lbs...so theres hope I could be 185+
in 2 more weeks. If I keep same body fat and maintain gains ill be happy
 
Idk how much is water weight, but I do know ppl are saying I am bugger and I have gotten a tad leaner (was already fairly lean)
 
yeah just keep it up
 
I mean I basically have two more weeks...and this is the week i really saw improvements so hopefully ilI can get another 5 lbs.
 
Natty22 said:
Ahh nice combo bet that stano gave u aggression Sides?...feel run down or like u were lacking test or did stano help that
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Halo/Stano stack was my first run. One of my favorite stacks. I don't think I gained a ton of weight, but I did get stronger and really cut. The Stano will have you throwing weights around the gym. This was my summer stack to really cut up and look vascular, will definitely enhance beach and pool parties.
 
Once you start getting great progess, it is hard to pull back the dosages and what not.

You will find your balance of gear though. It just takes time. You will find what you can take safely, look the way you want, and workout the way you want. It really isn't that bad.
 
boosydoosy1 said:
Once you start getting great progess, it is hard to pull back the dosages and what not.

You will find your balance of gear though. It just takes time. You will find what you can take safely, look the way you want, and workout the way you want. It really isn't that bad.
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I mean I really like how mild halo is...knock on wood

No shrinkage, headaches, back pumps or anything bad yet..maybe lethargy, but idk if thats bc I need my stims ha
 
boosydoosy1 said:
Once you start getting great progess, it is hard to pull back the dosages and what not.

You will find your balance of gear though. It just takes time. You will find what you can take safely, look the way you want, and workout the way you want. It really isn't that bad.
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Man thats legit though! I wanna do that or run halo with test injections my next cycle. I feel like id be superman with test injections
 
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