Considering D PLEX cycle. Researched well and hoping for input.

SkItZoId

SkItZoId

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Ok its been awhile since I last posted on here.

Basically I'm thinking of running a DPlex cycle solo. I'm aware its a clone of "The One". I have read some logs on this compound and read up on the particular compound. It sounds pretty good, lean gains, fairly good bulker with low ish sides. Its a DHT derivitive and seems quite cost effective with 120 caps in the bottle.

Now my history is this- I havent run anything in 5 years, with my last cycle being SD. I resonded well to SD gaining some 15lbs. I ballsed my PCT only using 6 oxo. It wasnt enough and I have learned alot over the years about PCT.

I am 32 years old
180 lbs
12-14% bf
6ft

I have a history of gyno that I have written about before in here. I had it operated on and have a small lump left which has remained the size it is since the op. While I am concerned about this flaring up again I am aware that with DHT the likelyhood of gyno is far less than other compounds. However I'm fully aware that any manipulation of the hormones can cause gyno and no steroids are a safe bet with regards to this. I have read that some people have experienced a reduction in gyno while taking "The One/DPLEX". I'm not convinced on the validity of these claims and I'm particularly interested in the input from experienced users who say it reduced there lump wether it was on cycle and wether it stayed reduced after the cycle and even months/years after the cycle. While I am not using this product for gyno reduction, I'm just very interested. Also just as a matter of interest too, I am willing to share the fact that I suffered testicular cancer nearly 10 years ago. I had one removed(Ouchy!!) and recieved chemotherapy for 4 months. I am all clear now and would appreicate some reserve on being lectured around my health. What I'm wondering is wether or not recovery from cycles is harder due to having one testical(Just thoughts and opinions really) also wether people think it increases risk of gyno. Personally I think it may. I live in the UK so TRT isnt something that goes on here. However I feel my test levels are fine, I'm able to gain muscle well and my sex drive is not an issue, though I'm also aware that these arn't the direct indicators of normal test levels.

My training is 3 days a week at the moment as I have work demands, I can up this. I mainly concerntrate on heavy compounds split through the week.

Monday- Chest, tris and shoulders

(3-4 sets on each of up to 10 reps)

Bench press
Incline BP
Weighted dips
Shoulder press
Mill press
Cable cross overs
Tri pull downs
close grip BP
sit ups/Cable sit ups

Wednesday-Legs

Squats
dead lifts
lunges
hack squat
Leg raises
Ham curls
Calves
Sit ups/ab pull downs

Friday- Arms and back
Pull ups (knuckles facing me)
Rows
lat pull downs
cable pulls(horizontal)
Shrug
Bicept curls
Close grip pull downs(knuckles facing out)
Sit ups and cable ab work.




My Diets quite clean, I wont go into massive detail unless people really want to know. Basically, I get all the protien I need, mainly from food sources but I am willing to use powders on a cycle. I do have a sat cheat day lol, but genrally Im good in the diet department. Carbs in check, fats etc. I eat all my green as my mother taught me.


Now as far as a cycle would be concerned this is what I would consider.

75/75/100/100

So basically a five weeker. Alongside this I would have pre loaded on hawthorn berry and milk thistle. I believe with a decent diet these will be the only support supps I may need. For example, tomatoes are good for the prostate, I know Saw P is in some support sups, but I have read it may hinder gains on DHT compunds(Any thoughts??)I would keep an eye on my BP and if things stll got a bit high I would probably drop a quarter of an asprin for awhile(any thoughts on using asprin on cycle?)

PCT would be a straight Nolva useage. Now depending on how I feel the cycle effects me will determine the amount of nolva I would use. but for now lets say 20/10/10/10/10 (Do you think week 5 would be needed???) . Also after the first or second week into PCT I will use a a testbooster that may(But prehapes a debateable subject) help boost my test levels somewhere near normal. I will also use creatine to help maintain some of my gains. I have a box of plasmajet hanging around I could use too, but I want to keep things simple. During all this PCT I will be continuing with the Hawthorn and milkthistle. I have read about people using a cortisol supressor, and I'm wondering about the worth of such supps. Maybe I will get some sort of Cortisol supress, thats an open option at this point.

Anyway thats me done. I would enjoy to read some peoples thoughts on this.

Cheers!!
 
Well its complicated lol.

They are a class C. So they are illegal to buy or sell. Just not Illegal to have. However the cops here will take them off you if they find them. Also in british law if you inject a drug it becomes a class A. This is rarely inforced by the police here as they have little knowlege about steroids.

I don't really move in those circles that sell steroids. I have considered it, but my morals(I know I know) are such that I'm aware that many people here who do sell steroids deal in other drugs. I am against drugs per-se and don't wish to line the pockets of dealers who used the money to fund other aspects of crime that I am against. A great deal of drug money from the UK funds sex trafficing, terrorism and other drug crimes. I'm in the forces so its drummed into us to be aginst these things. Prior to the army I worked as a drug counciller for under 18's who had a wide spectrum of drug issues. So legal DS use is more of a personal choice if you like.
 
That's perfectly acceptable. However something like anavar would probably work well due to its mild sides. However, The One us not nearly as toxic or known for rebound gyno as superdrol, so go ahead and try. I would stop taking it for so much as a nipple itch with your history, though.
 
Yeah I agree.

While I don't blame the SD for my Gyno, I know it wouldn't of happened if I hadn't taken it. At the time though I wasn't online and didnt get to research to the degree I do now. I blame my ill thought out PCT. Prior to that I had sucess with 1-Test without PCT. Just lucky on that one I guess lol.

I have read that any fluctuations in hormones due to steroids can cause some itchy nips and maybe some puffyness, but this isn't always the onset of gyno, rather its the rise in hormones etc. However, I do agree, If it was me that got itchy of puffy I would give it a few days on a AI(formestane maybe) or even a serm, if that didn't migate the symptoms I would bail.

At the begining of the year a friend of mine had some anavar(About 120 tabs) he was going to give me for £20. I was going to stack it with some HDrol another friend gave me. I ended up selling the Hdrol after reading up on it. Various threads claiming flare ups of gyno. also the 120 caps of anavar dint work out enough for a solo run, so I left it altogether.
 
I don't know if I would recommend more than one compound given the first post. I think epistane has some AI qualities though. You could use that instead, OP.
 
jbryand101b said:
run it 120mg all 4 weeks. have you looked at any other compounds to go with it?
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so a shorter cycle would be ok? By what Ive read the gains come quite early.

To be honest, seen as its been 5 years since my last cycle, I was considering just the solo run. If it treated me well then I would look onto a stack in the future. What sort of compounds would compliment it? Maybe a non methyl? I've read Dplex is relitively mild on the liver compared to other orals, so maybe stacking another methyl would be ok?

When it comes to non methyls I dont fancy the idea of things like LMG because of the prolactin issues and such.
 
epistane doesn't have any more ai qualities than any other androgenic compound.

If you're going to run the dplex solo, i'd say to go for 6 weeks. keep some topical formestane on hand to use at full dose if you start to feel funny.

the thing will be to keep androgen levels higher then estrogen levels, a more androgenic compound like this, or stanodrol will be perfect for that, as well as having an ai on hand and to use in pct.
 
ninjachimp said:
I don't know if I would recommend more than one compound given the first post. I think epistane has some AI qualities though. You could use that instead, OP.
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Last year I thought about epi. I even bought a bottle to look at to help influence me lol. Again after reading up and getting some input here I sold it on. I saw some nasty gyno issues surrounding it. It was often punted as a compund that could reduce gyno and I saw tonnes and tonnes of threads of people using it for that reason. I felt the feedback was mixed. One particular thread put me off it in the end, here in AM. While I think it looks ok, once Ive been put off something thats it!
 
jbryand101b said:
epistane doesn't have any more ai qualities than any other androgenic compound.

If you're going to run the dplex solo, i'd say to go for 6 weeks. keep some topical formestane on hand to use at full dose if you start to feel funny.

the thing will be to keep androgen levels higher then estrogen levels, a more androgenic compound like this, or stanodrol will be perfect for that, as well as having an ai on hand and to use in pct.
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Yeah Im thinking picking up a couple of bottles of formestane might be an idea. If I dont need it during cycle, Can I start ramping it up around the second week of PCT then continue it for two weeks after PCT ramping it down?
 
yea, i just started using topical formestane in my pct, I used it after 2 weeks of clomid, and man it was great. I only used it for two weeks at one serving per day post shower, and feel great.

I would def rec. it for pct, easy to apply, and works.
 
jbryand101b said:
yea, i just started using topical formestane in my pct, I used it after 2 weeks of clomid, and man it was great. I only used it for two weeks at one serving per day post shower, and feel great.

I would def rec. it for pct, easy to apply, and works.
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You went for just the one bottle is that?

Cool. I can pick it up fairly cheap. Wont do any harm to have an AI on hand.

with a 4 week Dplex cycle at 120, do I ne to re evaluate my PCT and look at a higer dose of nolva in the first 2 weeks? I say that but I'll most likely play it by ear, I dont want to take a shed load of nolva if I don't have to.
 
na, i dont think you need to, when I ran the one i bridged it into a cycle of epistane/pro dienolone (tren) for another 4 weeks, and just used nolva @ 20mg e/d along with 2nd gear, and was fine, so i think you will be okay.

yea, no need to go crazy with ai dosing, you want to control your estrogen not destroy it.
 
jbryand101b said:
na, i dont think you need to, when I ran the one i bridged it into a cycle of epistane/pro dienolone (tren) for another 4 weeks, and just used nolva @ 20mg e/d along with 2nd gear, and was fine, so i think you will be okay.

yea, no need to go crazy with ai dosing, you want to control your estrogen not destroy it.
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I read a thread where some dude used 2nd gear. He gave it a 9/10. I only read about it the other day so I'm not clued up on it yet.

Thanks for the help, its definately bringing some good stuff to my attention. I definately prefere a 4 week cycle if I can get good results. And formestane was something I was definately considering getting on board.

What do you think of the use of asprin to migate any blood presure issues? I'm not talking about long term use, hopefully hawthorn berry will deal with that.
 
run the d plex 6wks. Its not going to put much muscle on you but the recomping effect will be good. Ive never seen log or reveiw with guys reporting tons of strength.

id do

75/75/100/100/100/100

Light AI too
 
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