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michael75

michael75

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Hi guys,hope you can help me.Ive done huge amounts of research and am still confused.

I`m doing a sdrol/phera stack,will tamoxifen be enough for PCT? I don`t want to use Clomid because of the sides,it`s been suggested to incorperate an ATD and to run it inversely.It`s also been suggested that these all in one OTC products are enough.

There are so many views,so many products...Whats the best protocol to use? It seems the more i read the less i know,so many conflicting opinions.

I just want to know exactly what i need to get everything back to normal after my cycle and i want it simple,to me it seems a lot go totally over the top with PCT and use a lot of products that do the same thing.

What can you recommend from your experience that is a tried and tested true method for getting your hormonal status back on track after using steroids?
 
Nolva and Test Booster, and maybe a cortisol blocker.

Also, is this your first cycle? If so, seems kinda harsh to be runnin a sdrol cycle first time out.
 
I`ve run a few cycles and have tried different PCT regimens e.g I ran the AMS Mass stack,i got excellent gains from it but using their Arom-x for PCT was crap,i lost nearly all my gains.

The best PCT i`ve had is using Tamoxifen at 40/20 then switching to Inhibit-e (ATD) and AX Mass-Fx for the next three weeks from a high dosed Havoc cyce.
 
michael75 said:
I`ve run a few cycles and have tried different PCT regimens e.g I ran the AMS Mass stack,i got excellent gains from it but using their Arom-x for PCT was crap,i lost nearly all my gains.

The best PCT i`ve had is using Tamoxifen at 40/20 then switching to Inhibit-e (ATD) and AX Mass-Fx for the next three weeks from a high dosed Havoc cyce.
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well here's the thing. there's two reasons why you're getting mixed reviews, one....some people only repeate what they hear without understanding what they're talking about and two (and more importantly) different things work better for some and not as well for others. you don't want to take clomid...because of the sides..right? well you don't even know what clomid will do to you, it might be the best thing for you when doing PCT or the worst. i personally have taken nolva dozens of times and now am a fan of clomid for various reasons. so i highly suggest you pick one oral and run it at a low dose for 5 to 6 weeks, 4 weeks is too short. with proper support suups you should be fine, i say s/b because i'm not a doctor and will not be one anytime soon. based on what you say above i'd do this.....

Nolva 30/30/20/10
any AI (I like 6-oxo but ATD will do the same thing just might have libidio problems) start running your AI at a high dose in week 4 and decreasing every week.
liv52 before cycle, during and after or any other all in one supp Anabolic Innovations makes some DAHM GOOD products
 
alright this sounds good, see I was confused too because people say don't use an AI during pct. But still people use it anyways. I thought it was smart to use it around the 3rd week with a test booster. I'm using Torem 90/60/60/30. Now my question is which AI since there is alot, between these AI what would be strong to use; Formex, Formestane, 6 OXO, Nolvedex Xt, Inhibit-E, or PCS?
 
hadijd said:
alright this sounds good, see I was confused too because people say don't use an AI during pct. But still people use it anyways. I thought it was smart to use it around the 3rd week with a test booster. I'm using Torem 90/60/60/30. Now my question is which AI since there is alot, between these AI what would be strong to use; Formex, Formestane, 6 OXO, Nolvedex Xt, Inhibit-E, or PCS?
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any would be fine. nove, inhib contain ATD though and some report a loss of libido like a mentioned. i'm a big fan of form or 6oxo, but choose one see how it works for you, and stick with what works.
 
It makes no sense to use an AI for a non-aromatizing cycle! You will be using a SERM during PCT, so even if--and it's a big "if"--your body upregulated either aromatase enzyme and/or estrogen receptor density in response to the low estrogen environment during your cycle, you're still covered. If you want to use an AI AFTER your cycle and PCT, as a stand alone, fine.

S-Drol/M-Drol may agonize the estrogen receptor in a similar manner to Anadrol (to which it is related); in this case, if you're sensitive to this effect, you'll need a SERM (Nolva) while on cycle--an AI will be of no benefit.


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crowbar46 said:
It makes no sense to use an AI for a non-aromatizing cycle! You will be using a SERM during PCT, so even if--and it's a big "if"--your body upregulated either aromatase enzyme and/or estrogen receptor density in response to the low estrogen environment during your cycle, you're still covered. If you want to use an AI AFTER your cycle and PCT, as a stand alone, fine.

S-Drol/M-Drol may agonize the estrogen receptor in a similar manner to Anadrol (to which it is related); in this case, if you're sensitive to this effect, you'll need a SERM (Nolva) while on cycle--an AI will be of no benefit.


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easy killer, no one said to run either an AI or a SERM while on. like you stated, there would be no reason for that. the SERM is (as you know) used to restart the HPTA which (normally) becomes "shut down" during cycles, especially during a SD (MDrol) cycle, normally anyway. and the reason i run an AI when my SERM is almost done is for two reasons....one, if i have any estro roaming around due to my test being so low i want it un-control and two, it's cheap as hell and doesn't hurt. OTC AI =$25.00 gyno surgery =$5000.00 you do the math
 
lennoxchi said:
easy killer, no one said to run either an AI or a SERM while on. like you stated, there would be no reason for that. the SERM is (as you know) used to restart the HPTA which (normally) becomes "shut down" during cycles, especially during a SD (MDrol) cycle, normally anyway. and the reason i run an AI when my SERM is almost done is for two reasons....one, if i have any estro roaming around due to my test being so low i want it un-control and two, it's cheap as hell and doesn't hurt. OTC AI =$25.00 gyno surgery =$5000.00 you do the math
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Hmm, different body make ups and different chemistry. I have never had to use an AI for aromatizing or non aromatizing cycles. I've only used serms with great success. Now, I have used an AI after the 6 week period of pct. Normally, I have used it around week 6 which is the last week of PCT. I always run PCT 6 weeks.

Interesting that some have used AIs successfully without any rebound issues. How long are you on an AI over the course of a year. Do you just use it during a PCT or at various times also?
 
hardknock said:
Hmm, different body make ups and different chemistry. I have never had to use an AI for aromatizing or non aromatizing cycles. I've only used serms with great success. Now, I have used an AI after the 6 week period of pct. Normally, I have used it around week 6 which is the last week of PCT. I always run PCT 6 weeks.

Interesting that some have used AIs successfully without any rebound issues. How long are you on an AI over the course of a year. Do you just use it during a PCT or at various times also?
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just for PCT man. the other times in the year i try and keep any other thing hormonal out of my body. to clean things up a bit, sort of speaking
 
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