Compound Planning

Mr.Perfection

Mr.Perfection

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Yo, guys. So, I'm thinking of running a cutting cycle with these compounds. It's a little "different" from normal cycles, but just bare with me:
8week Length
Test Enanthate (450mg a week x 4weeks/300mg a week x 4 weeks - I have 10mlx300mg, that's why)
Tren Enanthate (same as test, just 10mlx200mg)
Superdrol (15/15/30 first three weeks then the same on week 8,9,10 while I wait for the esters to clear)
Winstrol (10mg a day, 5 days a week - I'm after its SHBG lowering effects)
GW-501516 (10mg a day, 6 days a week)

PCT Will be 4 weeks, but seeing as I'm using tren (very harsh shutdown) I'll keep going, and doing bloods untill everything is fine and dandy again, or maybe a little better.

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20
GW-501516 10mgx6 Times A Week
Dianabol 10mg Morning Only.

I might use some clen as well if needed, buuuut I don't think it would be.

I want to lose bodyfat, and get strong and explosive as HELL. This cycle will be used during pre-and-early season for track: 60/100/200m.

Stats:
It's been 10 weeks since my winter bulking cycle and my bloods are almost perfect. Cholesterol is normal. Liver values are normal. Test is on the high end of normal (759 ng/dl). Blood preassure is a tad bit high. But I'm sure the GW will help with that, and I'm planning on taking Co Enzyme Q10 daily like from next week on. Diet is a bit messy, but I always make sure I get loads of vitamins and minerals and hit all my macros. But tren and superdrol's nutrient partitioning will take care of that anyways.
Height: 170cm (5'7)
Weight: 76kg (167lbs)
Age: 21 (just answer my q's, please)

Uhm, so that's it. Hope to hear your opinions, advice and insights. Planning on making a log, but won't bother if I'm just going to get negative feedback. I know I'm a bit young for steroid use. But to be honest, this is going to be like my 5th cycle and I always do anything and everything to stay healthy off/on/after/before cycle. And since after my 4th cycle things are still looking good, I don't see a problem.

Thanks in advance.
 
There are some issues here bro. The biggest being the dbol in PCT. I will elaborate when I get to my PC.
 
So much wrong here. What jumps out to me is that this will be your 5th cycle!!! AND your stats seem very low, did you build any muscle at all during the 4 cycles??? 21 and your 5th cycle, this is just wrong in the modern era!

Too many compounds, with doses too high combined, and you are considering using clen during also? Crazy!
 
DemntedCowboy said:
I was gonna ask the same thing? Why, would you use dbol during PCT
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There is a belief that 10mg before 10 AM spikes your test to the max of natty test production and since it's high normal it doesn't suppress your natural T, but most (including myself) believe this to be false.
 
OP, I understand you will most likely still run this cycle regardless of the advice given, and you do not want any negative feedback.
However, it is essential that future readers thinking about a cycle understand this cycle has so many issues and is strongly NOT recomended for anyone to do, especially at a young age.

Steroids are very serious, and they should be treated as such!
 
jakz said:
There is a belief that 10mg before 10 AM spikes your test to the max of natty test production and since it's high normal it doesn't suppress your natural T, but most (including myself) believe this to be false.
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Hmmm, well it doesn't actually "spike" testosterone. It's just VERY anabolic and very anti-catabolic. One of the many reasons to do this is lower any and all stress hormones for the first 4-6 hours in any day (which is when they are highest anyway). And seeing as stress hormones arr generally extra high post cycle, this seems to be a perfext time to do this.

Studies have shown 100mg's a day, throughout the day, of dianabol for 6 weeks (think it might have been longer) to only lower natty test to about 64% of normal levels. Soooo, I think a 10nth of that together with an aggressive pct would not do much if any harm, and would probably just be a positive thing. One of the other reasons are that a super healthy young male produces about 70mg's of natty test a week (if you're even that lucky). So, by taking 10mg dianabol a day you are on full androgen replacement therapy (so to speak). So you get the bennefits of full androgen replacement with a compound more anabolic than test AND you still have your natty test. - I only see positives. Oh yeah, and the morning-only theory goes along with that 100mg's a day-thing. The idea is that ypur natty test is higjest in the morning as soon as you wake up. So taking quickly acting/clearing androgens at that time will not have much of a suppressive effect, if any. If 100mg's taken throughout the day for more than 6 weeks only brought natty test to about 64% of normal levels, 10mg in the morning only (piggy-bqcking natural test production) will theoretically have no negative effect, butbloads of positive effects.
 
Sphinx12 said:
OP, I understand you will most likely still run this cycle regardless of the advice given, and you do not want any negative feedback.
However, it is essential that future readers thinking about a cycle understand this cycle has so many issues and is strongly NOT recomended for anyone to do, especially at a young age.

Steroids are very serious, and they should be treated as such!
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Definitely! And I agree. Personally I would not recommend steroid use for anyone my age or younger. Just please believe and trust me when I say "I got this". Because I do. So I would love to hear all the issues it might have, but also the probable positives.

Thanks for the feedback.
 
Sphinx12 said:
So much wrong here. What jumps out to me is that this will be your 5th cycle!!! AND your stats seem very low, did you build any muscle at all during the 4 cycles??? 21 and your 5th cycle, this is just wrong in the modern era!

Too many compounds, with doses too high combined, and you are considering using clen during also? Crazy!
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In my defence, my previous cycles were low dosages, and some of the stuff I used were underdosed. With that said, I probably have some of the worst genetics when it comes to muscle building. I was VERY skinny and played LOADS of sports, especially in my "prime muscle building years" (18-20) so building muscle was no easy task. With my bulking cycle I only gained about 14 pounds. And I took very long breaks between cycles to help ensure health. Hope that clears some stuff up.

I assume you are talking about the superdrol when saying "too high doses"?
 
Mr.Perfection said:
Hmmm, well it doesn't actually "spike" testosterone. It's just VERY anabolic and very anti-catabolic. One of the many reasons to do this is lower any and all stress hormones for the first 4-6 hours in any day (which is when they are highest anyway). And seeing as stress hormones arr generally extra high post cycle, this seems to be a perfext time to do this.

Studies have shown 100mg's a day, throughout the day, of dianabol for 6 weeks (think it might have been longer) to only lower natty test to about 64% of normal levels. Soooo, I think a 10nth of that together with an aggressive pct would not do much if any harm, and would probably just be a positive thing. One of the other reasons are that a super healthy young male produces about 70mg's of natty test a week (if you're even that lucky). So, by taking 10mg dianabol a day you are on full androgen replacement therapy (so to speak). So you get the bennefits of full androgen replacement with a compound more anabolic than test AND you still have your natty test. - I only see positives. Oh yeah, and the morning-only theory goes along with that 100mg's a day-thing. The idea is that ypur natty test is higjest in the morning as soon as you wake up. So taking quickly acting/clearing androgens at that time will not have much of a suppressive effect, if any. If 100mg's taken throughout the day for more than 6 weeks only brought natty test to about 64% of normal levels, 10mg in the morning only (piggy-bqcking natural test production) will theoretically have no negative effect, butbloads of positive effects.
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I will get back to you in a while bro. Just at work now and quite busy :)
 
Mr.Perfection said:
Yo, guys. So, I'm thinking of running a cutting cycle with these compounds. It's a little "different" from normal cycles, but just bare with me:
8week Length
Test Enanthate (450mg a week x 4weeks/300mg a week x 4 weeks - I have 10mlx300mg, that's why)
Tren Enanthate (same as test, just 10mlx200mg)
Superdrol (15/15/30 first three weeks then the same on week 8,9,10 while I wait for the esters to clear)
Winstrol (10mg a day, 5 days a week - I'm after its SHBG lowering effects)
GW-501516 (10mg a day, 6 days a week)

PCT Will be 4 weeks, but seeing as I'm using tren (very harsh shutdown) I'll keep going, and doing bloods untill everything is fine and dandy again, or maybe a little better.

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20
GW-501516 10mgx6 Times A Week
Dianabol 10mg Morning Only.

I might use some clen as well if needed, buuuut I don't think it would be.

I want to lose bodyfat, and get strong and explosive as HELL. This cycle will be used during pre-and-early season for track: 60/100/200m.

Stats:
It's been 10 weeks since my winter bulking cycle and my bloods are almost perfect. Cholesterol is normal. Liver values are normal. Test is on the high end of normal (759 ng/dl). Blood preassure is a tad bit high. But I'm sure the GW will help with that, and I'm planning on taking Co Enzyme Q10 daily like from next week on. Diet is a bit messy, but I always make sure I get loads of vitamins and minerals and hit all my macros. But tren and superdrol's nutrient partitioning will take care of that anyways.
Height: 170cm (5'7)
Weight: 76kg (167lbs)
Age: 21 (just answer my q's, please)

Uhm, so that's it. Hope to hear your opinions, advice and insights. Planning on making a log, but won't bother if I'm just going to get negative feedback. I know I'm a bit young for steroid use. But to be honest, this is going to be like my 5th cycle and I always do anything and everything to stay healthy off/on/after/before cycle. And since after my 4th cycle things are still looking good, I don't see a problem.

Thanks in advance.
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Okay.

You have laid out the theory on 10mg dbol during PCT. The problem with this is exactly that, it's a theory. Let me explain, Dbol is an AAS that shuts you down or suppresses you, adding in anything that has the potential to suppress natural T during PCT is a risk. It will depend on the person with the 10mg dbol theory. The way I see it you have 3 options:
1) You can blindly run the 10mg dbol in the AM and either fully recover or have an epic fail. (Not advised)
2) You can drop the Dbol and not use it during PCT. (Advised)
3) You can run the 10mg Dbol and do regular bloodwork to see if you recover properly or not. (Advised)

NOTE* 10mg Dbol can be used to bridge between cycles so keep in mind it DOES have an affect on your HPTA.

Second issue; ending the test and tren at the same time could make PCT a bit harder. I would run the Tren E as planned (8 weeks). I would then run the Test E for 10 weeks at a lower dose (1ml a week). Test and Tren target the same receptors so let the tren take the wheel. Also running the test longer will make the PCT a lot easier!

Thirdly, what was your bulking cycle?? The rule is time on + PCT = Time off.

Fourth place, you should monitor BP on cycle, tren and SD can really jack that up!

I would run SD for the first 4 weeks at 15,15,15,15 or as suggested 15,15,30 I would not add it in again at the end.

How much Dbol do you have?
 
jakz said:
Okay.

You have laid out the theory on 10mg dbol during PCT. The problem with this is exactly that, it's a theory. Let me explain, Dbol is an AAS that shuts you down or suppresses you, adding in anything that has the potential to suppress natural T during PCT is a risk. It will depend on the person with the 10mg dbol theory. The way I see it you have 3 options:
1) You can blindly run the 10mg dbol in the AM and either fully recover or have an epic fail. (Not advised)
2) You can drop the Dbol and not use it during PCT. (Advised)
3) You can run the 10mg Dbol and do regular bloodwork to see if you recover properly or not. (Advised)

NOTE* 10mg Dbol can be used to bridge between cycles so keep in mind it DOES have an affect on your HPTA.

Second issue; ending the test and tren at the same time could make PCT a bit harder. I would run the Tren E as planned (8 weeks). I would then run the Test E for 10 weeks at a lower dose (1ml a week). Test and Tren target the same receptors so let the tren take the wheel. Also running the test longer will make the PCT a lot easier!

Thirdly, what was your bulking cycle?? The rule is time on + PCT = Time off.

Fourth place, you should monitor BP on cycle, tren and SD can really jack that up!

I would run SD for the first 4 weeks at 15,15,15,15 or as suggested 15,15,30 I would not add it in again at the end.

How much Dbol do you have?
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This is the type of reply/advice I was looking/hoping for. Thanks.

I forgot to mention that whoever's article/study I read DID indeed say that you won't recover 100% while using the 10mg AM Dianabol. Maybe in the range of 85-95%. So yeah, I do realise that. But as mentioned above, wouldn't it be worth it? Only lowering natty androgens by 15% at most whilst being more anabolic, anti-catabolic, having full androgen replacement, having better nutrient partitioning AND absorption (things dianabol are good at), and feeling more euphoric (dianabol is known for this), AND having a greater chance of keeping gains post cycle and whatever else there is? I mean - why not?

Thanks for the test/tren advice. I will follow it. It's tips like these that I was hoping to get.

Bulking cycle was 10weeks. Blend of tests 500mg/ml. 1ml/week.
4 week dianabols - weekends off - 30mg a day. Waited 2 weeks and did 4 weeks of Superdrol 10/15/15/30.
Waited two extra weeks after last test shot (week 11 and 12) before starting pct.
PCT:
Clomid - 50/50/25/25
Nolvadex - 40/20/20/20
Aaaaaaand, just so you know, I did the Dianabol AM thing up untill like 3 weeks ago. So judging by my test levels and everything, It didn't really have a negative effect. Oh yeah, and I only lose/gain like 500-800g's of bodyweight depending on activity level and food intake. Haven't lost any bodyweight other than that. But, if you think about it, I might have "changed" all the water weight from test and dianabols into muscle by now? By extending time "on" in an not so aggressive way? Just a thought. Don't know.

Thanks for the Superdrol advice. I will monitor my BP alot. But I can sorta' always "feel" when it gets too high. And I know I'm in the red when I'm sneezing blood or my nose is clogged up or if a blow it and there is blood on the tissues. But the carderine and co enzyme Q10 will help with that. I'll still do the second run with the superdrol, just won't take chances. If I even feel remotely worse-off than the first run, I'll stop it.

I'm a rep for a steroids supplier, so I get like 50% discount. But to answer your Question - I have 100/10mg Dianabols at this very moment, and I can get it really cheap. But Superdrol will stay as my mass and strength agent. It's amazing.
 
If you keep recovering at 95% then eventually 95% will be the new 100% and then you will keep repeating it until 100% is the 50% of the original 100% (does that even make sense)

Maybe hit some Dbol for the first four weeks and then use SD to finish the cycle.
 
Nac said:
For pure anti-catabolism during PCT, <5mg ostarine would be "better" than dbol.
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Exactly. Just drop it all together. Mk and gw during pct keeps strength up and fat low.
 
Mr.Perfection said:
Thank you.

Why such a low dosage, though? 15-25mg's a day tends to be the general recommended dosage.
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3mg is the highest studied dose Ive seen on males where markers like SHBG and LH etc are documented. At this dose youll get all the anti-catabolic benefits you should need, without having much of a suppressive impact on LH at all. Dosing higher will only likely increase risk, and in this context would make little sense. I wouldnt normally recommend it myself, but I think it is a better option than dbol.

brofessorx has used ostarine in PCT before, he might offer some further insight
 
you don't recover after a cycle taking d-bol.... most likely that study involved them using d-bol on their own, and not using it in PCT.

also, the theory is that one uses it while the long esters clear out, as well. similar to the test taper/stasis taper...

anyway, do a longer PCT, and use normal doses. 4 weeks is silly if you actually hope to recover.... 6-8 weeks should be the minimum, not 4.

I would never use Tren if I was planning on running. same with Winny. sane with Clen. same with Superdrol.

also, do you get drug tested for track?

EDIT: what do you mean you've been already doing the AM D-bol thing? did you just come off cycle? you do understand that taking a low dose of an androgen simply means that you won't produce the same amount to compensate for that, right?
 
Nac said:
For pure anti-catabolism during PCT, <5mg ostarine would be "better" than dbol.
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Nac said:
3mg is the highest studied dose Ive seen on males where markers like SHBG and LH etc are documented. At this dose youll get all the anti-catabolic benefits you should need, without having much of a suppressive impact on LH at all. Dosing higher will only likely increase risk, and in this context would make little sense. I wouldnt normally recommend it myself, but I think it is a better option than dbol.

brofessorx has used ostarine in PCT before, he might offer some further insight
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Yea I found osta at 5-6mg to be great in pct and still able to recover fully.
3mg shows slight negative effects on htpa function, but your serm should be enough to negate this.

Everyone is different, I think some other guys tried osta in pct and didn't like it. Not sure how high they dosed it.
5mg is a high dosage and if I could I would of done half that.

I haven't ever ran osta over 10-12mg. I really don't think there's a need.
 
CatSnake said:
you don't recover after a cycle taking d-bol.... most likely that study involved them using d-bol on their own, and not using it in PCT.

also, the theory is that one uses it while the long esters clear out, as well. similar to the test taper/stasis taper...

anyway, do a longer PCT, and use normal doses. 4 weeks is silly if you actually hope to recover.... 6-8 weeks should be the minimum, not 4.

I would never use Tren if I was planning on running. same with Winny. sane with Clen. same with Superdrol.

also, do you get drug tested for track?

EDIT: what do you mean you've been already doing the AM D-bol thing? did you just come off cycle? you do understand that taking a low dose of an androgen simply means that you won't produce the same amount to compensate for that, right?
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Hay, man thanks! Just a qyick question.... if I were to follow your advice and do pct, what dosage mould you suggesust I take of clomid/nolvadex respectively? After the normal
50/50/25/25
40/20/20/20 ?

What I mean with the dbol-AM-thing is that I've been using ut till up about 3 weeks ago like a sort of bridge. Used it after my bulking cycle and in my pct and like 6 weeks after that. And yet my test levels were that high when I tested them.

We do get drug tested for track, but only if I reach top 4 at nationals which will only be held in like October/November next year. My season is between half of January-Half of May.

Yes, I know prople wpuld advise against these compounds while running. But that is why I was planning on taking GW.
 
Mr.Perfection said:
Hay, man thanks! Just a qyick question.... if I were to follow your advice and do pct, what dosage mould you suggesust I take of clomid/nolvadex respectively? After the normal
50/50/25/25
40/20/20/20 ?

What I mean with the dbol-AM-thing is that I've been using ut till up about 3 weeks ago like a sort of bridge. Used it after my bulking cycle and in my pct and like 6 weeks after that. And yet my test levels were that high when I tested them.

We do get drug tested for track, but only if I reach top 4 at nationals which will only be held in like October/November next year. My season is between half of January-Half of May.

Yes, I know prople wpuld advise against these compounds while running. But that is why I was planning on taking GW.
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your test levels were high because you were taking D-bol with a SERM and you're 21. it doesn't mean it was good for you, ya dingus....

no, by normal doses, I'm talking about 25 mg/clomid or 20 mg of nolva. 6-8 weeks of one or the other (or tore/ 60 mg/day).

just to be clear, you're cycling a ****-ton and have no real chance of winning? awesome.
 
CatSnake said:
your test levels were high because you were taking D-bol with a SERM and you're 21. it doesn't mean it was good for you, ya dingus....

no, by normal doses, I'm talking about 25 mg/clomid or 20 mg of nolva. 6-8 weeks of one or the other (or tore/ 60 mg/day).

just to be clear, you're cycling a ****-ton and have no real chance of winning? awesome.
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Well, it wasn't bad for me....

You want me to have a longer pct for better recovery, yet you only recommend one SERM? Wouldn't both be even BETTER for recovery?

Who said I have "no real chance of winning"?
 
Mr.Perfection said:
Well, it wasn't bad for me....

You want me to have a longer pct for better recovery, yet you only recommend one SERM? Wouldn't both be even BETTER for recovery?

Who said I have "no real chance of winning"?
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no, more than one SERM isn't better. your goal in PCT is to trigger all the steps to increase GnRH to LH/FSH to testosterone production. an unnecessarily large spike in LH from high doses of SERMs can actually cause issues for people, due to the ensuing spike in E2, SHBG, etc. a longer PCT can lead to a more gradual rise in testosterone production as well, instead of megadosing for a couple weeks and hoping it works. <and there's plenty of clinical evidence to show that 6-8 weeks works well, too.

I presumed you had no chance of winning, as you referred to only the top 4 getting tested without including yourself. and you're cycling with no concern of getting a drug test, too....
 
Mr.Perfection said:
Well, it wasn't bad for me....

You want me to have a longer pct for better recovery, yet you only recommend one SERM? Wouldn't both be even BETTER for recovery?

Who said I have "no real chance of winning"?
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if you have a legit chance of winning or placing, then I'd suggest looking into a real athlete cycle, using microdosing of something like test prop, TNE or test suspension.

tren e and winny is not good for a drug test. neither is clomid or nolva.
 
CatSnake said:
no, more than one SERM isn't better. your goal in PCT is to trigger all the steps to increase GnRH to LH/FSH to testosterone production. an unnecessarily large spike in LH from high doses of SERMs can actually cause issues for people, due to the ensuing spike in E2, SHBG, etc. a longer PCT can lead to a more gradual rise in testosterone production as well, instead of megadosing for a couple weeks and hoping it works. <and there's plenty of clinical evidence to show that 6-8 weeks works well, too.

I presumed you had no chance of winning, as you referred to only the top 4 getting tested without including yourself. and you're cycling with no concern of getting a drug test, too....
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You know what, I actually thought about this in the past. - WHY do people always take higher doses of PCT-stuff for such a short time? I also thought that it would be better to take a low dosage for a longer time. Buuuut, I would still think that taking both, albeit still at the lower doses, would be better. Both have different mechanisms of effect and both of them have other positive effects as well. Like clomid's bettering effects (or possible bettering effects) on cholesterol as one example. Taking both just makes more sense. But yeah - lower doses for a longer period sounds like a great idea and I'm going to try that.

Well, I've only been focusing on track for like 8 months now. From last year Nov/Dec. My times on the 100 went from 11,6 to about 10,75 ish (my best in the past season). But I've always been very fast naturally in all sports I did, so I think the "bad" times has more to do with the whole track "concept". It's different to just catching/receiving a ball and then run as fast as humanly possible. Now there is technique ans skill and reaction time and focus and race planning and periodization etc. Which all need attention and so I'm stil learning and catching up with the wasted years I should have done track. That's ehy I'm not yet in the "spotlight" to be tested. And running U/23 means I have to run 10,7 for the 100 to qualify to gonto nationals. I'll definitely make that. Then I just have to make top 4 there. So please just bare with me, and continue on helping me. I'm planning on making lots of threads - exercise, lifestyle, training, steroid related.

I may drop the tren (long detection times) and go eith something else for all the strength and explosiveness I want/need. Besides - GW and all the training will help eith the extra 1-3% bodyfat loss anyway.
 
CatSnake said:
if you have a legit chance of winning or placing, then I'd suggest looking into a real athlete cycle, using microdosing of something like test prop, TNE or test suspension.

tren e and winny is not good for a drug test. neither is clomid or nolva.
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I'm planning on doing a couple of 2on/2off cycles in-season using micro doses, yes.

What is TNE, though?

They don't have long detection times (except tren e, of coarse)...... do they?
 
Mr.Perfection said:
I'm planning on doing a couple of 2on/2off cycles in-season using micro doses, yes.

What is TNE, though?

They don't have long detection times (except tren e, of coarse)...... do they?
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TNE is testosterone, no ester,,, very rapidly metabolized in the body. suspension is also very fast, but can be slowed down due to some crystallization of the compound.

regular clomid and nolva have relatively long half-lives (5 days), and several athletes have recently tested positive for them. a better option might be enclomid, which has a half-live closer to 24 hours.

I'd look into what kind of drug test you might have.... if it's total testosterone, T:E ratio, banned substance, etc...
 
CatSnake said:
TNE is testosterone, no ester,,, very rapidly metabolized in the body. suspension is also very fast, but can be slowed down due to some crystallization of the compound.

regular clomid and nolva have relatively long half-lives (5 days), and several athletes have recently tested positive for them. a better option might be enclomid, which has a half-live closer to 24 hours.

I'd look into what kind of drug test you might have.... if it's total testosterone, T:E ratio, banned substance, etc...
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Wow. Didn't think there would be something faster than suspension...

Don't mean to question your intelligence, man but if you are basing probable detection times on half lives, then test e/cyp/decanoat etc. Would have a higher risk of being detected. And we both know the detection times for those is only about 4 months at most.

Well, I DO know that thry are strick with testosterone. So, I would imagine the total test and T:E ratio will definitely be part of the tests. The banned substance test won't be as thorough, though. They'll only probablybtest for the REALLY common roids such as dianabol, winny and maybe deca etc. Our budget here is really low for these types of things. The quality, thoroughness, strictness, regularity etc. of the tests here isn't even close to those of Europe/America etc. If that helps...
 
Well, this thread has been interesting and informative.
 
When I was on SD I ran a 30 second longer 2mi for my PT test. SD will kill your endurance. Not sure if you wanna use it for track prep
 
LAH813 said:
When I was on SD I ran a 30 second longer 2mi for my PT test. SD will kill your endurance. Not sure if you wanna use it for track prep
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Why can't everyone just be like this? - share their experiences and/or informative opinions or just guve advice?

Thank you!
 
Mr.Perfection said:
Wow. Didn't think there would be something faster than suspension...

Don't mean to question your intelligence, man but if you are basing probable detection times on half lives, then test e/cyp/decanoat etc. Would have a higher risk of being detected. And we both know the detection times for those is only about 4 months at most.

Well, I DO know that thry are strick with testosterone. So, I would imagine the total test and T:E ratio will definitely be part of the tests. The banned substance test won't be as thorough, though. They'll only probablybtest for the REALLY common roids such as dianabol, winny and maybe deca etc. Our budget here is really low for these types of things. The quality, thoroughness, strictness, regularity etc. of the tests here isn't even close to those of Europe/America etc. If that helps...
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eh... most half-lives are overrated on various esters. anyway, the tests check for various things.... T:E ratio, total testosterone levels, carbon isotope, etc... it's up to you to figure out what you'll be tested on. but testosterone is the only thing that SHOULD be in your body....

as far as taking GW and SR, you prolly would wanna skip them too, since they cause a shift from fast twitch to slow twitch fibers (hence how they increase endurance).

anyway, you might wanna look into a cycle with test prop and anavar in the off season, and run enclomid as your PCT. prolly wanna run HCG on cycle, as well..
 
Mr.Perfection said:
You know what, I actually thought about this in the past. - WHY do people always take higher doses of PCT-stuff for such a short time? I also thought that it would be better to take a low dosage for a longer time. Buuuut, I would still think that taking both, albeit still at the lower doses, would be better. Both have different mechanisms of effect and both of them have other positive effects as well. Like clomid's bettering effects (or possible bettering effects) on cholesterol as one example. Taking both just makes more sense. But yeah - lower doses for a longer period sounds like a great idea and I'm going to try that.

Well, I've only been focusing on track for like 8 months now. From last year Nov/Dec. My times on the 100 went from 11,6 to about 10,75 ish (my best in the past season). But I've always been very fast naturally in all sports I did, so I think the "bad" times has more to do with the whole track "concept". It's different to just catching/receiving a ball and then run as fast as humanly possible. Now there is technique ans skill and reaction time and focus and race planning and periodization etc. Which all need attention and so I'm stil learning and catching up with the wasted years I should have done track. That's ehy I'm not yet in the "spotlight" to be tested. And running U/23 means I have to run 10,7 for the 100 to qualify to gonto nationals. I'll definitely make that. Then I just have to make top 4 there. So please just bare with me, and continue on helping me. I'm planning on making lots of threads - exercise, lifestyle, training, steroid related.

I may drop the tren (long detection times) and go eith something else for all the strength and explosiveness I want/need. Besides - GW and all the training will help eith the extra 1-3% bodyfat loss anyway.
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You have the kitchen sink mentality. Did you learn about gear from a steroid rep because it sounds like you have been sold on every idea out there and that they all need implemented at once. You do not need all of this stuff! It is easily 2 if not 3 cycles worth of stuff. Once receptors are saturated they are saturated. So many methyls going on in this... I can't even imagine trying to run with the calve pumps from the SDrol too. No way I could do sprint training on Superdrol the pumps would have me sidelined inside of my warm up or first 100m sprint.

If running an 8 week cycle there is not much reason t run Winstrol for it's SHGB binding because your cycle is barely even long enough for SHGB to become a limiting factor. On top of that you are a sprinter Winstrol which is known for making tendons brittle and weak due to creating a cross hatching effect in the new collagen formation. So basically running it as a sprinter you are kind of asking for injuries. You would be better off limiting SHGB with one of the Natty T Boosters like LongJak or any of the others that focus on freeing up testosterone by binding to the SHBG. Then there is no added risk of damage to your ligaments and tendons.

If you are trying to cut there is no reason to run your Superdrol any higher than 10mg a day... Why kill your self running higher doses of something so toxic when it does not match your actual goals. If your goals were to gain as much size, or strength as possible it would make sense but if just trying to be more explosive and faster version of you then a 10mg a day is enough to give you that neurological edge you are looking for.

Ideally since you are a gear rep you should just go with some fast acting esters instead of what you have listed as far as the oils go. Anyway, good luck and remember when it comes to things with possible side effects stick to the K.I.S.S. mentality. Keep It Simple Stupid. Do as little as you need to get the results you require. Trying to create the perfect storm with anabolics and risking your health with a cycle like this makes no sense. You have already said you are okay with less than perfect nutrition, then you shouldn't be risking your health with the kitchen sink protocol when you aren't bothering to put better nutrition in the sink with it. I am not saying people on gear need perfect nutrition. Not all of us are going for the same thing and some of us have no problem admitting that the gear is being used as a shortcut and a handicap to get good results from a less than perfect diet and lifestyle. I am often in that group. However knowing that I refuse to try to make up the difference by tossing more gear at the issue. This cycle is just more than necessary, and the sides will likely outweigh the benefits considering the effects of your other cycles.

Also you have not been off cycle for 10 weeks you just said that you just stopped using DBol 3 weeks ago. Well you were on a cycle then... A weak ass one but a cycle. You have been off for 3 weeks.
 
Mr.Perfection said:
Wow. Didn't think there would be something faster than suspension...

Don't mean to question your intelligence, man but if you are basing probable detection times on half lives, then test e/cyp/decanoat etc. Would have a higher risk of being detected. And we both know the detection times for those is only about 4 months at most.

Well, I DO know that thry are strick with testosterone. So, I would imagine the total test and T:E ratio will definitely be part of the tests. The banned substance test won't be as thorough, though. They'll only probablybtest for the REALLY common roids such as dianabol, winny and maybe deca etc. Our budget here is really low for these types of things. The quality, thoroughness, strictness, regularity etc. of the tests here isn't even close to those of Europe/America etc. If that helps...
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so I thought about this a bit, and here are some more suggestions:

-like I said before, avoid GW and SR unless you have a serious issue with endurance. since you're a sprinter, I see no reason why you'd want to have a decrease in fast twitch fibers for slow twitch fibers.

-also avoid Winny and Deca like the plague. too many people test positive for them for months after they've taken them.

-figure out if you want to compete while "on" or "off".... you can compete on, but you're going to need to microdose at night, and definitely get independent verification of your steroids to make sure you're not taking something that will cause a flag. you will also want to get bloodwork to verify that what you're taking won't push you into a "high" range.

-I know several guys that competed in pro MMA and football in the US, and they typically did not use during competition, but focused on doing that in the off season. several used short cycles, which most recreational lifters don't like. short cycles typically result in smaller gains, but for people that don't want others to know that they're on cycle, have some benefit. it also might work with your training cycles, as I assume you vary training to increase volume and decrease volume here and there...

my suggestion is this:

-prior to your cycle, take l-carnitine l-tartrate to increase androgen receptor density (2,000 mg/ day for 3 weeks)

6 week cycle
-ED-anavar 50 mg/day
-MWF- test prop 100 mg/day
-T-thu-Sat-HCG 250-500 IU/day
-T-Thu-Sat-Aromsin-12.5 mg/night * adjust as needed.... you don't want to crash your E2 as it's very hard on your joints.

PCT-4 weeks
-aromasin *at least the first week of PCT.... again, take what you need but don't crash your E2
-Enclomiphine-25 mg/night (this version has a shorter half life then regular clomid)

***something to look into: Cialis..... 5 mg/day can help lower blood pressure, and might help with you endurance, as well as testosterone production/managing estrogen. I'm not sure if you're tested for this, tho...

-make sure you're taking ZMA and vitamin D, if needed. both are limiting factors in testosterone production if they are low.

^my ASSUMPTION is that you could pass a drug test a month after this.... I believe WADA/USADA has a new test for clomid, which is why Brock Lsenar and JBJ both tested positive. also, if your testing is poorly funded, I doubt you will have a CIR test, which really only leaves the T:E ratio, total testosterone and banned substances....


hope this helps.
 
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