rubberring
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Might have to break down and order a t-shirt!
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College Football 2008 season
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plenny
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hey rubberring, congrats on the bama win...i found myself pullin for them..then it got boring..not even a game. as a former nat'l champ. contender fan, i envy you...but i do smell roses.
rubberring
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Thanks dude... and it looks like USC for your guys. I'd love to see Penn State sock them in the mouth. Trojan fans around here are way too cocky.
rubberring
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ABC should be ashamed of themselves for broadcasting the Notre Dame-USC game. With 9 minutes left in the game, the Irish have a whopping 69 yards total offense... to USC's 403.
God pulled for the Mormon teams this year, I guess!:lol:
God pulled for the Mormon teams this year, I guess!:lol:
Trauma1
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I'd get one. I always get my annual t-shirt from a rivalry game.
rubberring
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Oklahoma State's doing all they can to help Texas out. Great game... but does anyone in the Big 12 play defense? C'mon...
Trauma1
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No kidding, it's almost pathetic.
Without a doubt in my mind texas deserves to play in the big 12 champ game.
Let's see what happens though when a top ranked SEC defense (Florida or Bama) throws a monkey wrench into the big 12 offensive mindset.
We all know Florida or Bama is going to score on offense regardless.
rubberring
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No kidding, it's almost pathetic.
Without a doubt in my mind texas deserves to play in the big 12 champ game.
Let's see what happens though when a top ranked SEC defense (Bama) throws a monkey wrench into the big 12 offensive mindset.
We all know Bama is going to score on offense regardless.
I like the way you think.:cheers:
rubberring
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Was that the game where the Big 12 North champion was beaten by a Kansas team with five losses, while two other teams from the Big 12 South... both with only one loss... and both of whom beat Kansas... and both winners this week... will sit at home next weekend while the aforementioned team plays for a conference championship???:think:
Nope, didn't see it.
Grassroots082
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The irony is the ACC took 3 out of 4 from the SEC yesterday.
hardknock
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that, you are correct but they were not playing florida or alabama ...
hands down either would own texas or os. I'm not saying a blow out but a definitive win...
jmh80
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Yeah, I live close to Oakland... and that team and its owner are a cancer to the league. I can't see Monty stepping down to college, mostly because it would make his son look like a suckling. Tennessee certainly has the fan base (over 100,000 fans at every game) and the facilities, so all they need are a few big name offensive recruits to start turning it around. I expected them to hire someone with significant head coaching experience, but a young gun might be what they need.
Wish I could say I wish 'em the best... but it's Tennessee. It's in my blood to hate on them.:lol:
Hey, what the hell happened to LSU?:blink: Guess it's harder to win without all of Nick's recruits!Seriously, I'm waiting for the Les Miles backlash to be in full swing next year if they lose a couple of games early, and Saban's still winning.
From what Chris Mortenson just said on ESPN - the rumor of Monte possibly coming with Lane to Knoxville as DC is true!
Some things to work out - he's THE highest paid coordinator in the NFL at 2 mill/yr. He won't get that anywhere - not even Bama - in college.
But he's 68 - so maybe he doesn't want to work more than a few years.
BIG DEAL for Tampa Bay. BIG DEAL for the Vols.
He'll need a rah rah guy though on the defensive staff - but damn if he won't have some schemes for Ole Urban Meyer and Richt.
As a UT alum but outside observer, I'll say I have no idea if this will work out. It's not the Callahan hire at Nebraska, I don't think. Esp. if he can bring his Dad and maybe Ed Orgeron (who's recruited and knows the SEC) - he'll have the beginnings of a great staff.
The recruiting discussion is moot, IMO. The Vols were 7th to 10th on Rivals and Scout for '09 classes before Fulmer stepped down. (I have no idea if they lost anyone when that happened.)
Fulmer always recruited well per the rankings. His problem was getting the RIGHT type of players (not for the system, but guys that, oh, WANTED to play in college - too many Kelly Washington's). I think he also had an issue with player development. I.E. if you came in NFL ready like an Eric Berry - you were fine, but if you needed help to elevate your play you really didn't get much.
Kiffin is quite the enigma, IMO. No idea what exactly he did at SC because they had co-OC's. Can't say I think he did anything with Oakland because Al Davis is a retard.
In the end - I think this hire, above all others, will determine the fate of the UT athletic director, Mike Hamilton. He got one of THE best college basketball coaches in Bruce Pearl, but F this hire up and I think Hamilton is gone as AD.
I for one will probably actually watch UT again next year. They've got some damn good players on that team. Should also next year - just need to get a QB.
And Monte Kiffin - wow. Just wow.
jmh80
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They THRIVE on defense's with CB's that can't tackle and not staying in your lane at LB/DE.
I gotta give Paul Johnson a lot of credit. I'm damn impressed with what he's done. They'll be a force for a while when they get the right match-up on the opponent's D.
They do graduate all their awesome D-lineman though. That was a strength of their's on D. I think they lose one OL maybe that was playing at the end of the year, plus a guy that got injured early in the season.
But most of their O is back, Nesbitt and Dwyer are soph's.
jmh80
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Yeah. Our tacking outside of the UF game has been pretty damn bad this whole year. We don't have good tackling CB's and our LB's continue to have trouble. Doesn't help that our best LB is a freshman.
Our D-ends are pretty darn good on the pass rush, but aren't disciplined enough to stay in their lanes. (All are frosh or soph's.)
That is what killed us against NC State. Their QB, Wilson, had a field day running the football. We've seemingly always had trouble with running QB's. (Though that doesn't explain VaTech this year with Tyrod Taylor. Whatever.)
Young will be fine. He doesn't have the horses he needs to play his Tampa 2 defense. When these freshman are juniors - I'd expect to see a much different result against the teams listed above.
jmh80
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possibly the greatest post in AM history
Yeah but it's a 3 way tie. All this 45-35 crap is somewhat moot. It's not a Texas vs. OU race, brah.
I support OU because of their better OOC schedule. They beat the Big East champ (for what that's worth) Cincy and TCU. That's better than Texas whipping of Arkansas (who was in the middle of a terrible, terrible stretch of football).
All things in conference being equal - I look at out of conference and will support OU.
Now - whether OU can actually win (A) the Big 12 title game and (B) then a bowl game is moot. I'd bet they chokes somewhere yet again, but can't take that into account at this point.
Sir Savage
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I'm still crying over the UGA-GT game.
A season of such high expectations, a team with so much talent, and yet, ends up with 3 losses.
And if Stafford enters the NFL draft, next year will be rough.
A season of such high expectations, a team with so much talent, and yet, ends up with 3 losses.
And if Stafford enters the NFL draft, next year will be rough.
jmh80
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He and Bradford should both declare, IMO, if the ESPN projections are correct. (That they are both likely top half of 1st round picks.)
Moreno isn't their 1st RB off the board - Beanie Wells. That could cost him if he were to declare. (He's still a 1st round pick though.)
But still a very good chance Knowshon declares (if he's a redshirt soph like I think - if not, wait till '10 to declare).
jmh80
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Rubber,
Handicap me Zona or Cal against Miami in the (no homo) Nut Bowl in San Francisco on Dec. 27th.
That is ESPN's projections at this point.
I know Cal has Javid Best, who's pretty good, but seemingly terrible QB play. I know little of Zona, other than Stoops is the HC and the DC was the Stoops that was at Miami as DB coach in the '01 timeframe.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Handicap me Zona or Cal against Miami in the (no homo) Nut Bowl in San Francisco on Dec. 27th.
That is ESPN's projections at this point.
I know Cal has Javid Best, who's pretty good, but seemingly terrible QB play. I know little of Zona, other than Stoops is the HC and the DC was the Stoops that was at Miami as DB coach in the '01 timeframe.
Thanks for your thoughts.
rubberring
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Arizona beat Cal in Tucson... where the Wildcats play a lot better. They should've beaten USC there. They average over 400 yards of offense per game, and it's a very balanced attack. Their QB, Tuitama, has played pretty solid all year, and has a 142.8 QB rating through 11 games. Their defense is fairly solid (minus the Oregon game). They should def. beat Arizona State on Saturday.
With Cal, you pretty much nailed it... pathetic QB play. Solid O-line and running backs. The defense is up and down. Their corners get a lot of picks, but they also take a lot of stupid risks.
That being said, Cal-Miami would be a good game. I think they match up pretty well, and they'd have a shot at selling out the game. I'll definitely go!
rubberring
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Definitely disagree with you here. It really should be a two-horse race. If the Big-12 mimicked the SEC (not sure if the ACC operates the same), they would look at the two teams out of the three with the highest BCS rankings... and then see if there is a head-to-head winner between the two from earlier in the season. If not, the highest ranked team goes. But if one team beat the other... even if they are ranked lower... they go.
We all b#tch about having a playoff... and that's exactly what head-to-head is: a playoff. If it doesn't count... then it's pretty hard to support a playoff argument imo.
rubberring
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This argument doesn't hold up for me. When Texas scheduled Arkansas, they were a much different team. They should be punished for Arkansas' decline? No one saw Cincy as Big East champs (I use that term loosely)... and I'd hardly call that win something to brag about. Both teams had their share of patsies this season. OU played 0-11 Washington, for Christ's sake.
How about conference schedule? I can argue that Texas played and beat the Big 12 North champ, Missouri, and OU did not. Texas played and beat Colorado, while OU played and beat Kansas State. Well, Colorado beat K. State. We could do that for days... but why would we... when Texas beat OU.
rubberring
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EDIT: Guess I was off! Seriously... that's bullsh#t. That's the last I'll say about it. I'll let the Big 12 fans battle it out.
Either way, the next (just like the two previous) national champs will be from the SEC. So... there's that.
Either way, the next (just like the two previous) national champs will be from the SEC. So... there's that.
Trauma1
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Amen to that, brother! :clap2:
I still think texas was hosed, it's bullsh*t if you ask me. Texas beats Oklahoma on a neutral field, yet they get the cold shoulder....wow. I'm so freakin' sick of hearing about bradford and stoops. I hope the SEC (Florida or Bama) breaks those pansies in half.
GO SEC!
atjnutrition2
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Just saw the BCS a little bit ago. OU jumped Texas. Let the controversy begin.
jmh80
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Same song, different year.
Read up on 2000 and the FSU/Miami controversy.
I rooted for OU to make it so we possibly get a step closer to a playoff. All this crap yet again should hopefully let some people feel guilty about this retarded situation. Hopefully someone goads the fat cats at the bowls/NCAA because of this happening for a 2nd time.
jmh80
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I don't remember exactly how the ACC tie breaks work. None of us were much ahead of anyone in the BCS standings, so I didn't look that close.
I don't think they do any elimination before they look at the rankings (if they had the same conference record and head to head didn't resolve the tie).
I think it would be the same scenario in the ACC as to whom go to the championship. But I'd have to go read.
jmh80
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My peeps in Knoxville think it's a done deal.
What do you think about it? Ya boy scheming his Tampa 2 defenses against ya boy and Crier/Liar. :whip:
atjnutrition2
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I'm hoping this will get us closer to a playoff also. I always root for BCS controversy at the end of the year.....as long as it doesn't affect the SEC.
atjnutrition2
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Speaking of Kiffin and his dad going to UT, I hope his dad follows as I've heard UGA may go after UT's defensive coordinator. I'm not too happy with Martinez this year....defense was definitely a weak point for UGA. I can't believe we lost that Tech game...CRAP!
rubberring
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You know, it's kinda funny. Ten weeks ago, I wanted a Florida-Bama matchup because of all the smack you and I were talking back then. Man, you have no idea!!! However, at the time, I had no clue Alabama was heading for a 12-0 regular season and a #1 ranking. I was hoping for 9-3 this year. What the Tide has done with nine scholarship seniors, a 7-6 record in 2007, and being unranked coming into the season, is nothing short of miraculous. Of course, the haters at ESPN love to spin it differently, but the fact is that they went undefeated through their schedule.
Now, quite surprisingly, I actually have no animosity toward Florida. I thought they might collapse after the Ole Miss loss because I doubted their mental toughness (never their talent). Well, they've certainly responded positively to that setback. In fact, it saved their season. I hope no Florida fan overlooks that. They should send Houston Nutt a Christmas card no matter what happens on Saturday! And, while Meyer has never been a favorite of mine... Saban wasn't either before he arrived in Tuscaloosa. I've respected Tebow and his leadership this year, and he's more of an MVP this season than last.
So when I say this, I actually mean it: While I want Alabama to prevail on Saturday, it won't bother me if Florida wins. I'll still pull for them to win in the BCS Championship if that's how it works out. I just want a competitive game that showcases both teams' talents and strengths. It's a win-win for the conference, either way. Bama surpassed all expectations and clobbered Auburn. Everything else is gravy. That being said... I do love me some gravy!
Yeah, it would be fun to talk it up this week with you Florida guys... but it would be insincere on my part. The truth is: I love the Tide. Always have, and always will. I can't say with conviction that I expect a win on Saturday... but I hope for one.
Go Gators! Roll Tide!
P.S. If your team wins by more than 14... I take it all back. I hate you.:toofunny:
Trauma1
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Monte Kiffin's Tampa 2 defenses are freakin' scary. The guy is a defensive mastermind. I would really miss the guy here in tampa, because we love him with the bucs.
If UT does get monte, it's a HUGE upgrade that will without a doubt increase their market value and recruitment.
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Kiffin is definitely an upgrade from this:
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hardknock
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I'd never root for the gators, unless they were playing someone outside the SEC...in that case, goooooo gators, but as far as next week goes....roll tide, lol...
on a more serious note, Texas got owned by the voters and the bull crap rating that is the BCS....oh well, it happens to the best teams! If you beat a team on a neutral field, shouldn't that mean something? Also, OS had a terrible showing last night, honestly, there were no style points in that win. A few bounces and they would have lost that game.
Eventually, they have to create some type of playoff set up.
This has gotten utterly ridiculous. .
on a more serious note, Texas got owned by the voters and the bull crap rating that is the BCS....oh well, it happens to the best teams! If you beat a team on a neutral field, shouldn't that mean something? Also, OS had a terrible showing last night, honestly, there were no style points in that win. A few bounces and they would have lost that game.
Eventually, they have to create some type of playoff set up.
This has gotten utterly ridiculous. .
rubberring
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Florida is favored by 10.
rubberring
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Definitely pulling for a Missouri upset on Saturday. Texas would have the last laugh if that happens. It will suck for them to sit at home and watch two teams who they beat play each other for a conference championship. An OU loss would put them in the title game vs. UF or Bama. That would be justice.
jmh80
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As Old Man Corso would say - no so fast my friendo. If you look at the precedent last year, Texas would NOT make it to the championship - it would be likely USC (a team that won it's conference).
UGa didn't make it and they didn't win the SEC East last year. I don't see Texas making it after they (A) didn't win the Big 12 South (yes yes I know) and (B) didn't even win the Big 12!!!
There's only been one time in the history of the BCS that a team that didn't win it's side of the conference made the title game - Nebraska in '01. And I think enough stink was made by Colorado that it won't happen again.
jmh80
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It sucked in 2000, but we feasted on Spurrier's Gators.
Sadly that wasn't enough for the BCS to do sh*t other than tweak the formula (whatever the F that means). After thinking about it - even Texas playing in the Fiesta isn't enough to make any real change, IMO. Too many fat cats.
GRRR I'm mad.
jmh80
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The more I think about it Monte is the best part in this deal for UT. He's made 3 or 4 defensive assistants DC's or HC's somewhere in the NFL. The dude knows how to groom.
Hell you already talked about his schemes.
He's a well, well, well known quantity. Lane not so much. He'll be a freaking monster with a guy like Orgeron on the staff with him (rah rah type coach that college kids need).
Edit - I need to PM Rogue Drone about Monte. I'm pretty sure he played (though he was an LB) against his teams in the NFL. I think he'd have some insight. But I think he's in a slumber due to Auburn being beyond terrible this year.
rubberring
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Wrong, my brutha. USC is hurtin' in the computer rankings. I heard three analysts tonight say that it was close to mathematically impossible for USC to slide into #2 in the BCS due to that fact alone. Also, the Pac-10 has no championship game, and a win over lowly UCLA on Saturday won't help their chances with the computers. Check out this article:
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That's what playing in a bad conference and losing to a chump team will do to you.
Trauma1
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He most certainly would be. However, it's all still speculation at this point.
Monte Kiffin's defenses are top tier every single year. Tampa Bay has the 2nd best rated pass defense this year, and it showed yesterday picking off brees 3 times.
Just what Monte Kiffin would do for morale alone would be remarkable. We'll see though...
rubberring
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See post #1173. No BCS voter (or anyone with common sense) really saw this as a three-team race, which makes your logic... illogical.
rubberring
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Uh-oh... Kiffin's already looking like a dimwit. Gotta love Spurrier though!
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He also thinks he's Jim Tressel. Kiffin told reporters "It's going to be fun hearing 'Rocky Top' after we beat Florida next year.":toofunny:
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He also thinks he's Jim Tressel. Kiffin told reporters "It's going to be fun hearing 'Rocky Top' after we beat Florida next year.":toofunny:
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There is nothing better than a coach who talks smack and has a record of 5-15 as a head coach. His two biggest rivals will be Urban Meyer and Nick Saban. Guys that will enjoy kicking his ass and will be good at it lol.
His wife is a UF grad so I'll give him a little slack.
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Alright Rubbering...it's that time. What you got for game analysis, trash talking and/or score prediction?
Every SECCG Bama has played in has been against UF. This will be the sixth time that the two teams have met in the SECCG (UF won in 1993, 1994, 1996; UA won in 1992, 1999). UF is 6-2 in SEC championship games.
I think the matchup that decides the game is the Bama offense vs. UF defense. If Bama can get a huge push with their sizable OL and have success w/ the run, UF is in trouble. If not, we win going away. The two rushing offenses are equally productive, but Florida has an edge in passing offense. Alabama has an edge in overall defense, particularly against the run.
Thoughts?
I got UF 38-17
Alright Rubbering...it's that time. What you got for game analysis, trash talking and/or score prediction?
Every SECCG Bama has played in has been against UF. This will be the sixth time that the two teams have met in the SECCG (UF won in 1993, 1994, 1996; UA won in 1992, 1999). UF is 6-2 in SEC championship games.
I think the matchup that decides the game is the Bama offense vs. UF defense. If Bama can get a huge push with their sizable OL and have success w/ the run, UF is in trouble. If not, we win going away. The two rushing offenses are equally productive, but Florida has an edge in passing offense. Alabama has an edge in overall defense, particularly against the run.
Thoughts?
I got UF 38-17
hardknock
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Let's not forget that in 1999, we hurt them twice, during the season and championship. We have to also remember, 05' that was a throttling where a nitwit coach ended prothro's career!
But, that does not count really.
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