Probably wont do much to the hairline. Your looking at raising test level 100-200 ng/ml probably.
Wonder How much of an anabolic effect that would have? That much of a jump, produce noticeable gains?
Sure it can but I believe average is 40%. Of course if your suppressed significantly higher.
One of the people was older and not a big lifter or that into the lifestyle, but still had body comp changes. The other had gains, nothing like an actual test cycle, but enhance recovery and better sleep as well.
Neither of those people were suppressed. Personally. I have gone from being shutdown at virtually zero, to 1200 (it did not stay there unfortunately)
All my research says yes!!! And I personally sit at 690 Test and got it up to 1100's I was taking 12.5 mg e3d and Bloods were drawn at week 3. I did this for 1 month. Had bloods drawn 3 months later and it was in 700s so I'm not sure how long the elevation lasted. I have read of a guy doing even lower dosing for 12 weeks and he got it up to 1400s but I don't remember his BL. I've read a bunch on it but without any good calculations to suggest because it does work on everyone in some degree but as for optimum dose and time length it's kinda a FEEL AS YOU GO treatment until real research tests are done. I would definitely give it a run. I'm planning on doing it 1 month before a cycle so I'll start at 1100 and raise my Test from there. Xtra 400iu is way better than raising up from 690 for what little cost and almost 0 sides. JSYK I hate clomid at the 50mg I run PCT but this small dose was so mild I had only a few flushings the entire time. I really wish there was research or log on a CYCLE->PCT->CLOMID CRUISE->CYCLE->PCT
Why would you take an AI??? You don't know how clomid works stop taking chems and do some research and I mean that in a nice way, for your benefit
I think it is person dependent. I don't get very many sides from PCT doses of clomid, maybe a little emotional and actually almost flew off the handle once or twice (like worse than tren), which was odd and I've never heard of in other people, for me the sides go away after a week or so at the same dose, so it may be a question of duration and acclimation than dose.
Someone up had said they ran an AI at low dose to keep estrogen in check.. I was just asking if estrogen would be an issue with low dose clomid
i see have you had success with clomid standalone yourself? Thanks btw
I think uninformed ppl think that clomid Increases Test. IT does not! it tricks the body into raising in on it's own production. You will never have E2 problems and unless you have so much Aromatase enzyme in your system that you probably have a clit instead of a d!ck
Ok... that is far from true. You're the who needs to do a litte research fritz. Yes it works by blocking estrogen in your hypothalamus, and the only way your body knows how to get more estrogen is by aromatizing test, so you get more gnrh, more lh and eventually more test. In fact, it can even put you into supraphysiological ranges. However the SERM doesn't do anything to serum levels of e2, infact it raises it, you are still aromatizing all that new test you have and you very well might need an AI to compensate for and control these newly elevated levels.
No, but I know people who have. I have used it successfully for pct several times and low dose on a trest inject cycle to keep my test levels above 100 lol (way above actually)
The rise in E2 is moderate and only in PCT doses. and your wrong on the effects of serum levels. long term your production is lower then absorption at the non-selected receptor cites. And WHY would you assume you would be aromatising additional Test production. You are thinking very small as cause and effect. You need to read more on how clomid reacts to the entire axis IN MEN and what the brain thinks is going on in the body to react in the way it does.
Ok buddy, it's actually a relatively simple concept. Essentially the SERM is blocking the ERs in your hypothalamus, as long as this is occurring your hypo thinks you need estrogen so it will keep giving instructions to make LH which instructs your leydigs to make test so it can be aromatized to e2. Once the hypothalamus see the e2 it knows when to pump the brakes on gnrh production, but the SERM is preventing this from happening, hence you keep making more test and aromatizing more e2 because your brain thinks you need it, even though you could have very high serum levels. This is one of the reasons rebound gyno can occur. Also the WHY" you eluded to is not an assumption, absent an AI anytime you make more test or get some endogenously you are aromatizing more test, more test=more e2. The degree this occurs is variable based on body composition and genetics but it is pretty much universally true.
Well then it would just be an epistane cycle with clomid lol. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I don't know about high but it would give you some amount of natty test production while on the epi and keep your LH going a little.
to start I'm Not Your Buddy... Guy
As "basic" as it may be, he's not wrong.
dude if you want to pick up then answer those questions ^^^^ I posted using that basic diagram
First of all I was trying to be polite and phrase things in an easily understandable way. I've seen some of your other posts and your grasp of endocrinology seems tenuous at best. I'll humor you this one time but I am not really interested in having a debate with you, we should be focused on the actual thread and answering the OP and others questions. It doesn't matter how high your LH gets, there is an upper limit to how much testosterone your leydig cells can physically produce, and once they are maxed out the only way to further increase your test with out exogenous application. And I'm not sure what you are getting at with the high dosing AI thing, I don't think that was ever brought up in any prior posts, and it's somewhat of a facile argument, there are serious ramifications from completely eliminating circulating e2 with high dose/potency AIs (which no one was talking about)
I'll stop arguing since it does no good. I realize it is common to have low dose ai when on TRT however, this is most commonly needed because the TRT is introducing enough Test to raise the levels higher than than that person's genetics would be at if he didn't need TRT Ex. a 45 YO man that didn't have 1080 ng/dl at age 20 but now he does have that at 45 and so his body is responding in the only way can. In my run of clomid I asked takled it over with my prime dr. and he has a background in something along the lines of nero and physia chemistry. My point was that my run it raised up to at least 1100s BW third week, and with only taking Nettle Root Extract (low aroma inhibt) I had the lowest E2 I have ever tested and 1100's would be rare in a 33 YO at least by 200 so the fact that mine was elevated beyond my natural range and yet a low AI destroyed my E2 I can't see it possible to trick your production high enough to need an AI unless you are just taking far too much for too long your body is just trying to overcompensate on clomid, but it's not going to go extreme.
How did u choose your dosages and frequency? Trial and error?
it's pretty well known that SERMs raise E2 when then raise testosterone, etc.
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