Cialis

[Jbtwentytwo]

Are the pumps as good as everyone talks about?

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

in my penis .. yes !

 

[EpiStrong]

It's not hype. It's proven, cheap, and lot of other health/sexual benefits.

 

[Dustin07]

I always thought these were like instaboner drugs and would have been afraid of popping wood while benching or something lol.

 

[Garyboy]

Are the pumps as good as everyone talks about?

Yes. 5-10mg first thing in the morning. The systemic increase in blood flow is terrific.

 

[Garyboy]

I always thought these were like instaboner drugs and would have been afraid of popping wood while benching or something lol.

Not at all. It doesn’t make you horny, it increases blood flow, so when you’re erect…….you’re ERECT.

 

[EpiStrong]

Not at all. It doesn’t make you horny, it increases blood flow, so when you’re erect…….you’re ERECT.

It's the bro talk man. You never benched and had your spotter step over your head and you get a whiff of that ballsy goodness. Instarect!

 

[hercules_22]

Just took some for preworkout pumps. Not many fine women in my gym so don't gotta worry about arousal

 

[Rocket3015]

Are the pumps as good as everyone talks about?

Yes, it does increase blood flow to your muscles.

 

[AdelV]

It's never worked for me, not sure why.

 

[G3nghisKhan]

If I’ve been taking 5mg each day and I stopped taking it would my T be suppressed for a while and need some time to return to baseline?

 

[Lumalux]

First time I took one I was camping at Lake Erie. I took it on the way there, hammered wifey that night, the next morning I hop in the lake and a wave hit me in my junk...Instant wood! There were families and kids swimming! I had to stand waist deep in the water for 45 minutes until it went down lol!

When you first start taking it, it seems to have much more pronounced effect. After a while, the effect is more tempered. I remember being rock hard the whole time while driving a couple of hours on the interstate. There was no stimulation. I was just bone hard sitting there in the driver's seat.

 

[Rocket3015]

If I’ve been taking 5mg each day and I stopped taking it would my T be suppressed for a while and need some time to return to baseline?

No, it just increases Blood Flow !

 

[panico.pt]

If I’ve been taking 5mg each day and I stopped taking it would my T be suppressed for a while and need some time to return to baseline?

I started using it again, 4 days ago, after 30 days without taking it, I take 10mg every other day and I only felt a difference even in the pump, but not so much in training, more in the retention of the pump during the rest of the day. It's not hormonal it's a nitric oxide enhancer like norvaline but it's not natural.

 

[G3nghisKhan]

No, it just increases Blood Flow !

I started using it again, 4 days ago, after 30 days without taking it, I take 10mg every other day and I only felt a difference even in the pump, but not so much in training, more in the retention of the pump during the rest of the day. It's not hormonal it's a nitric oxide enhancer like norvaline but it's not natural.

Really? I read that it increases testosterone and lowers estrogen too

 

[panico.pt]

Really? I read that it increases testosterone and lowers estrogen too

I'll increase the dose then.. LOL

 

[Rocket3015]

I'll increase the dose then.. LOL

I think you might want to take a little time, do some research, and than figure the Best Plan For You.

 

[Dustin07]

Really? I read that it increases testosterone and lowers estrogen too

I find it hard to believe that cialis alone raises T, however if a man is suffering from ED and gains confidence and also begins have sex, these two things could assist in boosting T. Hubberman has an interesting podcast about how sex hormones drive our behavior but how also doing the things that our hormones encourage, encourages additional hormone production. For example, high T males breed more, and breeding boosts T by like up to 10% at the time or something like that.

(I also believe this is why we see an increase in the soyboy movement in the nation because then the reverse would also be true if you intentionally take up behaviors that are negative towards male hormone production it makes sense that T levels would decrease, as does the T based behaviors)

 

[Resolve10]

I find it hard to believe that cialis alone raises T, however if a man is suffering from ED and gains confidence and also begins have sex, these two things could assist in boosting T.

Why would you find it hard to believe? It might not do a ton on its own, but there are definitely studies out there that show an additive effect between PDE5 inhibitors and Testosterone and that both combined may have benefits in regards to ED comparative to when used alone to no effect.

Supplement companies have also tried to tap into this as well. I don't know if it has enough effect on its own, but products with PDE5 inhibitors (like icariin) have long been used to try and boost effects in natural test boosters. The effects may not be super strong directly, but may work in an additive fashion via effects on cGMP and cAMP.

I'm also not trying to directly compare the drugs in the OP to these supplement options, but PDE5 inhibition has been a decently popular end-goal in supplements for awhile now.

 

[sammpedd88]

If I’ve been taking 5mg each day and I stopped taking it would my T be suppressed for a while and need some time to return to baseline?

Cialis doesn’t have any effect on test levels.

 

[Rocket3015]

The brain is a powerful tool, if you believe it could happen !!

 

[Dustin07]

Why would you find it hard to believe? It might not do a ton on its own, but there are definitely studies out there that show an additive effect between PDE5 inhibitors and Testosterone and that both combined may have benefits in regards to ED comparative to when used alone to no effect.

maybe! but it does seem with many many many "low level" T enhancers (such as your maca, tribulus, other otc type libido boosters" the increase in T, if there is one, could just as easily fall into the chicken and egg scenario I mentioned as discussed in Hubbermans podcast.

I'm not saying there won't be a correlating increase, I'm saying the cause might not necessarily be the drug. because as Rocket said:

The brain is a powerful tool, if you believe it could happen !!

 

[Resolve10]

maybe! but it does seem with many many many "low level" T enhancers (such as your maca, tribulus, other otc type libido boosters" the increase in T, if there is one, could just as easily fall into the chicken and egg scenario I mentioned as discussed in Hubbermans podcast.

I'm not saying there won't be a correlating increase, I'm saying the cause might not necessarily be the drug. because as Rocket said:

That seems to me more like you trying to fit your own assumptions into something. There is no doubt these things work cyclically in that behaviors drive changes in hormones and changes in hormones can change behaviors, just feels weird to take that and use that to categorically throw these ingredients that you arbitrarily name and group (low level?) to fit your own narrative. Especially when they literally do studies on stuff like this to try and understand how they work..

Effects of taking tadalafil 5 mg once daily on erectile function and total testosterone levels in patients with metabolic syndrome

Sildenafil increases serum testosterone levels by a direct action on the testes

 

[G3nghisKhan]

That seems to me more like you trying to fit your own assumptions into something. There is no doubt these things work cyclically in that behaviors drive changes in hormones and changes in hormones can change behaviors, just feels weird to take that and use that to categorically throw these ingredients that you arbitrarily name and group (low level?) to fit your own narrative. Especially when they literally do studies on stuff like this to try and understand how they work..

Effects of taking tadalafil 5 mg once daily on erectile function and total testosterone levels in patients with metabolic syndrome

Sildenafil increases serum testosterone levels by a direct action on the testes

Yeah that’s why I read. Do you think that taking tadalafil or sildenafil for any extended period of time would lead to the endogenous down regulation of anything that would take time for your body to correct post-cessation?

 

[Rocket3015]

I love how you guys dive into these studies and find them, this board if so full of helpful, smart people.

 

[Resolve10]

Yeah that’s why I read. Do you think that taking tadalafil or sildenafil for any extended period of time would lead to the endogenous down regulation of anything that would take time for your body to correct post-cessation?

I don't know enough about them or care enough about these drugs to have an adequate opinion on that.

 

[djbombsquad]

Not at all. It doesn’t make you horny, it increases blood flow, so when you’re erect…….you’re ERECT.

All the YouTube videos where people sneak in ed pulls act all horny even though you can’t . Gave some to a friend once on Halloween and he was hard all night

 

[Lumalux]

All the YouTube videos where people sneak in ed pulls act all horny even though you can’t . Gave some to a friend once on Halloween and he was hard all night

I think it's kind of the opposite that is true. You realize your dick is rock hard and that feeling makes you horny.

 

[Rocket3015]

When you get old, you just think you have to pee

 

[Garyboy]

Really? I read that it increases testosterone and lowers estrogen too

It does improve your T/E ratio, increase androgen receptor density, nutrient uptake, combats prostate enlargement. Honestly, every guy over 30 should be on it.

 

[Steuss]

Sildenafil increases serum testosterone levels by a direct action on the testes

This one is interesting. Only skimmed. Will hopefully give it a more serious look tomorrow when I am back on a PC.

Not too keen on the lack of a control group. What really stood out to me though (and has my noggin spuddering) is there was significant suppression of LH.

 

[Rocket3015]

It does improve your T/E ratio, increase androgen receptor density, nutrient uptake, combats prostate enlargement. Honestly, every guy over 30 should be on it.

combats prostate enlargement

This works very well on BPH older guys if you are have problems it is well worth a try. When I have used Clen in the past peeing was a problem, add in Cialis, problem sloved!

 

[AdelV]

It does improve your T/E ratio, increase androgen receptor density, nutrient uptake, combats prostate enlargement. Honestly, every guy over 30 should be on it.

Are we talking about taking a small daily dose?

 

[Dustin07]

That seems to me more like you trying to fit your own assumptions into something. There is no doubt these things work cyclically in that behaviors drive changes in hormones and changes in hormones can change behaviors, just feels weird to take that and use that to categorically throw these ingredients that you arbitrarily name and group (low level?) to fit your own narrative. Especially when they literally do studies on stuff like this to try and understand how they work..

Effects of taking tadalafil 5 mg once daily on erectile function and total testosterone levels in patients with metabolic syndrome

Sildenafil increases serum testosterone levels by a direct action on the testes

I had these studies open in a different tab for a few days there and finally had a chance to read them this morning. As of right now the studies don't seem to conflict with anything I had said about Huberman's studies and explanation of behavior driving hormones.

. A total of 40 men with metabolic syndrome were evaluated for ED in this study. All the patients received 5 mg tadalafil once a day for 3 months.

Overall, 106 (76%) were optimized to 100 mg, 33 (24%) to 50 mg and 1 (1%) to 25 mg dose as needed for sexual activity respectively


I think what I said is there is a Chicken and the Egg thing here. We know sex, fighting, competition, etc can increase T naturally. A bunch of guys were given as much ed treatment as needed to have sex, then their t levels showed an increase. I'm not sure how you could prove that it was the drug, vs the activity in this scenario aside from having them commit to abstinence for the 3 months (good luck, lol).

I'm not saying that the drug isn't good, but the studies don't seem to conflict with what I had said before. Hell, I'm even curious about it now and I don't have ed issues but based on this thread it does sound quite interesting.

 

[Resolve10]

I had these studies open in a different tab for a few days there and finally had a chance to read them this morning. As of right now the studies don't seem to conflict with anything I had said about Huberman's studies and explanation of behavior driving hormones.

I think what I said is there is a Chicken and the Egg thing here. We know sex, fighting, competition, etc can increase T naturally. A bunch of guys were given as much ed treatment as needed to have sex, then their t levels showed an increase. I'm not sure how you could prove that it was the drug, vs the activity in this scenario aside from having them commit to abstinence for the 3 months (good luck, lol).

Direct quote from the second study:

An increase in sexual activity associated with sildenafil administration may contribute to the increase in testosterone levels, as has been reported previously following successful treatment of erectile dysfunction (Jannini et al., 1999; Aversa et al., 2013); however, in this study, greater sexual activity did not predict greater change in serum total testosterone (Table 3). Sexual arousal has been associated with acute increases in LH and testosterone, suggesting central neurohormonal stimulation (LaFerla et al., 1978; Rowland et al., 1987); however, we observed a significant suppression of serum LH. Other studies also have reported an inconsistent and complex relationship between sexual activity and testosterone levels (Anonymous, 1970). The observed pattern of hormonal changes in our trial – increased testosterone and decreased LH levels – is more suggestive of a direct testicular effect of sildenafil.

Study interpretation and comprehension is complicated so it is fine to not fully grasp, but the bolded basically is just questioning how the scientific method works. If you have concerns about how scientists go about determining these things there are resources out there to develop an understanding. Questioning how they can prove it is specifically something is the job of certain studies and is definitely something to be discussed, which is why critical review of studies is important, but that should be done as a specific critique of either specific methods in how a study is done or the typical shortcomings of specific study types not as just a broad dismissal of science itself.

 

[Dustin07]

Study interpretation and comprehension is complicated so it is fine to not fully grasp,

lol no need to be like that that excerpt doesn't argue with what I said.

 

[Resolve10]

lol no need to be like that that excerpt doesn't argue with what I said.

Ok we just interpret it’s words differently.

 

[Dustin07]

Ok we just interpret it’s words differently.

lol fair enough I'd say agree to disagree but I think we are just contemplating different perspectives so I'm not even sure that we are disagreeing as much as looking at completely different angles. seems like we both agree on the outcome just not necessarily the path.

on the slip side, the articles you posted and the other comments in this thread as i mentioned have seriously piqued my interest about the product.

 

[BCseacow83]

Yeah that’s why I read. Do you think that taking tadalafil or sildenafil for any extended period of time would lead to the endogenous down regulation of anything that would take time for your body to correct post-cessation?

It has not been observed with pt's using it for pulmonary arterial hypertension. I do think there is a chance that one gets accostomed to the effects. Heck they even say caffeine keeps doing it's thing even after you subjectively no longer observe its effects. Boners have to be top of the list of things the human brain can **** up. Ex. Think your cialis is not working anymore? Good chance it certainly will be less effective. Now some people are clearly less sensitive to it but I am unaware of any literature showing a massive increase in endo PDE5 production due to chronic exposure.

Something to keep in mind as well: NOTHING KEEPS FEELING THE SAME AS WE AGE. I will not go into details but I consumed something I had not consumed in over a decade, something I LOVED back in the day, and while it was fun it was NOTHING like it used to be, despite the high level of quality. Heck can anyone say booze feel anywhere as good as it did when you were young? Same goes for THC.

 

[thescience]

It has not been observed with pt's using it for pulmonary arterial hypertension. I do think there is a chance that one gets accostomed to the effects. Heck they even say caffeine keeps doing it's thing even after you subjectively no longer observe its effects. Boners have to be top of the list of things the human brain can **** up. Ex. Think your cialis is not working anymore? Good chance it certainly will be less effective. Now some people are clearly less sensitive to it but I am unaware of any literature showing a massive increase in endo PDE5 production due to chronic exposure.

Something to keep in mind as well: NOTHING KEEPS FEELING THE SAME AS WE AGE. I will not go into details but I consumed something I had not consumed in over a decade, something I LOVED back in the day, and while it was fun it was NOTHING like it used to be, despite the high level of quality. Heck can anyone say booze feel anywhere as good as it did when you were young? Same goes for THC.

ive used alot of pump products over the years and have seen decreased efficacy. im trying to figure it out. for example, nitrates cause the retention of calcium in tissues. did my calcium levels drop? my test levels are normal and naturally increasing test with test boosters has no effect on me with pumps. is this a matter of i simply dont have the same quantity of blood in my system? ive definitly seen guys who are really old but really pumped when theyre on TRT and i know some people have to be careful not to produce too many red blood cells on it. amino tadifil powder definitely doesnt produce the benefits i saw from citrulline back in the day, but then again i never really tried huge amounts. another avenue ive considered is the atp connection; in my case, things like carnitine, triacetyl adenosine help. maybe my atp isnt what is was. anyway. im operating under the premise that something is running low to produce the decreased pump; i didnt realize this had happened to other people.

 

[Lumalux]

What is the consensus on whether tadalafil increases androgen receptor density or sensitivity?

 

[LucasBagoDoce]

There is a possibility it slightly helps with the test-estrogen balance in men too…

 

[EpiStrong]

What is the consensus on whether tadalafil increases androgen receptor density or sensitivity?

I truly feel your looking too far into it. Cialis helps bp, bph, pumps, possibly test, sexual aspects, etc with little side effects. I would run it anything.