cialis for high BP?

[Eyeoftheneedle74]

I’ve heard of people using cialis for high BP, but never any specifics

Can someone who has actually used cialis to lower BP tell me how he did it and what results he got?

I know daily dosage for ED is 5 mgs a day, what dose did you use to lower BP?

Also. what was your BP before, what did it go down to and how long did it take?

Thank you for sharing your experiences

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

I've been taking 5mg tadalafil every other day for precisely this reason (have a bit of high blood pressure) since April 8. The last two times I checked my blood pressure, it came out normal (On Monday April 18 , my blood pressure was 116/78) Previously it was always close to Stage 1 Hypertension. I mentioned in an MK-677 thread that my blood pressure was 148/88 on April 4 and it's been consistently high till the last two blood pressure checks.

I don't know if tadalafil was entirely responsible for the improvement; I also cleaned up my diet (cutting in fact) and added more cardio.

 

[Eyeoftheneedle74]

I've been taking 5mg tadalafil every other day for precisely this reason (have a bit of high blood pressure) since April 8. The last two times I checked my blood pressure, it came out normal (On Monday April 18 , my blood pressure was 116/78) Previously it was always close to Stage 1 Hypertension. I mentioned in an MK-677 thread that my blood pressure was 148/88 on April 4 and it's been consistently high till the last two blood pressure checks.

I don't know if tadalafil was entirely responsible for the improvement; I also cleaned up my diet (cutting in fact) and added more cardio.

Thank you very much for your very detailed response, especially since my BP is similar to yours was and I want to get it similar to where yours is now. Interestingly enough, I am also trying to cut some fat weight also

 

[Kronic]

I've always found high blood pressure interesting. what a weird problem right? technically you have too much blood to fit in your circulatory system right? so either there are blockages or you need vasodilation. couldn't you donate blood or do blood letting for immediate releif?

 

[Eyeoftheneedle74]

I've always found high blood pressure interesting. what a weird problem right? technically you have too much blood to fit in your circulatory system right? so either there are blockages or you need vasodilation. couldn't you donate blood or do blood letting for immediate releif?

Perhaps, but my BP isn’t high, especially on the old scale, it’s just higher than I’d like so I’m looking for something long term, along with losing weight and adding cardio

 

[Noncompetitive]

Perhaps, but my BP isn’t high, especially on the old scale, it’s just higher than I’d like so I’m looking for something long term, along with losing weight and adding cardio

I use CoQ10 from Walmart. It is actually keeping me off prescription Lisinopril.

 

[Kronic]

Perhaps, but my BP isn’t high, especially on the old scale, it’s just higher than I’d like so I’m looking for something long term, along with losing weight and adding cardio

ya those things should lead to vasodilation. one of the things that usually isn't talked about with high BP (and idk why) is avoiding and limiting the use of vasoconstrictors. (stimulants rip)

 

[Eyeoftheneedle74]

ya those things should lead to vasodilation. one of the things that usually isn't talked about with high BP (and idk why) is avoiding and limiting the use of vasoconstrictors. (stimulants rip)

I agree with that - I’m also all the way down to one cup of coffee a day

 

[Eyeoftheneedle74]

I use CoQ10 from Walmart. It is actually keeping me off prescription Lisinopril.

I jumped on CoQ10 also, in addition to the other usuals. Red yeast rice, etc

 

[Smont]

5-10mg daily cailis will slightly lower BP, it's not a huge drop 8-10points I would say it the average for people I know. If your BP is over 140 then you need a real blood pressure medication or a lifestyle change. Cailis is 100% not going to bring you back in range

 

[Smont]

I jumped on CoQ10 also, in addition to the other usuals. Red yeast rice, etc

Ubiquinol is the active from of coQ10, if your over 35 you should switch to ubiquinol.

Just a heads up, those do lower BP but it can take a few months to do it's magic so if your going to use coQ10 or ubiquinol make sure you buy 2-3 months worth at the proper doses at a time because if your going on and off it or regularly missing doses your wasting time and money. So take it every day, it should become a year round staple. That combination of ubiquinol and cailis over the long haul may be able to get you in range. Gradually Building up your cardio and cleaning up your diet are also very easy ways to lower it

 

[FloridaMan]

I attempted to use it that way. But there's a reason it was researched as a BP med and it's just a boner pill now

 

[Smont]

I attempted to use it that way. But there's a reason it was researched as a BP med and it's just a boner pill now

You're correct but I would not say it's just a boner pill it's got a bunch of other benefits as well. I think everyone that responds to it should be taking 5mg a day, even if you have no problem with erectile function

 

[FloridaMan]

You're correct but I would not say it's just a boner pill it's got a bunch of other benefits as well. I think everyone that responds to it should be taking 5mg a day, even if you have no problem with erectile function

Oh yeah, I agree but just as a BP med it's extremely mild and unless your only like 1-2 points over normal then it's pointless... Even then a couple points would probably be fixed with diet and cardio.... That being said I take 10mg eod for all of the above mentioned reasons haha

 

[Rocket3015]

I have used it daily for about a year now for BP and BPH. I get it from @Mike Arnold - MA Research

 

[Smont]

I have used it daily for about a year now for BP and BPH. I get it from @Mike Arnold - MA Research

I get it from the same place

 

[Smont]

By the way, I guess I should make a shameless plug for my discount code now lol

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[Smont]

Even though I'd love to get a sale out of you, I stick with what I said, cailis is most likely not going to bring you from the mid 140's down to 120/80

But it can lower you a few points, give better erectile function, better pumps and mind muscle connection in the gym, it's good for your heart, some studies even show it improves cognitive function. The list goes on. For most guys 5 to 7.5mg daily will do the trick if you are a responder to cailis/tadalafil.

The reason I included that last part is because there are non responders, same goes for Viagra and other products of this catagory. So you may have to experiment to find which one suites you

 

[Eyeoftheneedle74]

Even though I'd love to get a sale out of you, I stick with what I said, cailis is most likely not going to bring you from the mid 140's down to 120/80

But it can lower you a few points, give better erectile function, better pumps and mind muscle connection in the gym, it's good for your heart, some studies even show it improves cognitive function. The list goes on. For most guys 5 to 7.5mg daily will do the trick if you are a responder to cailis/tadalafil.

The reason I included that last part is because there are non responders, same goes for Viagra and other products of this catagory. So you may have to experiment to find which one suites you

Very fair and honest. Thank you for that

one more question, I’m not primarily interested in the ED effects, but I’ll certainly take them

what is the long term effectiveness of 5 mgs a day? Do the ED benefits hold or do they decrease over time?

 

[Smont]

Very fair and honest. Thank you for that

one more question, I’m not primarily interested in the ED effects, but I’ll certainly take them

what is the long term effectiveness of 5 mgs a day? Do the ED benefits hold or do they decrease over time?

As far as I'm aware effects do not decrease over time. I know many people who have been on 5mg daily for years. Many of the benifits are from increased blood flow. There's no type of tollerence your going to build to enhanced blood flow. Now I will say this, there is always a possibility that being on 5mg daily will become your "new normal" and then you will notice a difference when you come off because you may become accustomed to that "new normal". But I don't notice that happening to me. But I'm sure there's a possibility. Kinda like when a guy runs a bunch of testosterone for a very long time and when he comes off, even with high natural levels you don't feel as good as when you were on a cycle.

But again, I haven't noticed anything like that. I just have to assume there's always a possibility

 

[Rocket3015]

I have been on 5mg daily for at least a year, I have noticed no diminishing effects .

 

[Eyeoftheneedle74]

Thanks guys!

 

[Hyde]

Not helpful as far as info on tadalfil goes, but taking ubiquinol, grape seed extract and pine bark extract twice a day year round definitely helps mine. That combo helps lower incidence of cardiac events, lowers blood pressure (thereby also supporting kidney health), lowers aromatization, improves heart function/output, and helps delay atherosclerosis due to the antioxidants.

On blast, I’ve started adding Telmisartan and that stuff is great. Zero sides, lower AAS-induced water retention & hypertension, helps regulate hemoglobin a bit , & it’s a PPAR agonist.

 

[Hyde]

Not helpful as far as info on tadalfil goes, but taking ubiquinol, grape seed extract and pine bark extract twice a day year round definitely helps mine. That combo helps lower incidence of cardiac events, lowers blood pressure (thereby also supporting kidney health), lowers aromatization, improves heart function/output, and helps delay atherosclerosis due to the antioxidants.

On blast, I’ve started adding Telmisartan and that stuff is great. Zero sides, lower AAS-induced water retention & hypertension, helps regulate hemoglobin a bit , & it’s a PPAR agonist.

 

[Eyeoftheneedle74]

Not helpful as far as info on tadalfil goes, but taking ubiquinol, grape seed extract and pine bark extract twice a day year round definitely helps mine. That combo helps lower incidence of cardiac events, lowers blood pressure (thereby also supporting kidney health), lowers aromatization, improves heart function/output, and helps delay atherosclerosis due to the antioxidants.

On blast, I’ve started adding Telmisartan and that stuff is great. Zero sides, lower AAS-induced water retention & hypertension, helps regulate hemoglobin a bit , & it’s a PPAR agonist.

Thank you Hyde
Any suggestions on the dosing for grape seed and pine bark?

 

[Hyde]

Thank you Hyde
Any suggestions on the dosing for grape seed and pine bark?

200mg/day Ubiquinol, 3-800mg grape seed extract standardized to 95% polyphenols, & pine bark something like a few hundred mg of cheaper stuff or 100mg Pycnogenol. There was no benefit using the brand name over a larger dose of regular pine bark extract in studies, so save your money & just get pine bark extract from NOW or the like.

 

[Rocket3015]

200mg/day Ubiquinol, 3-800mg grape seed extract standardized to 95% polyphenols, & pine bark something like a few hundred mg of cheaper stuff or 100mg Pycnogenol. There was no benefit using the brand name over a larger dose of regular pine bark extract in studies, so save your money & just get pine bark extract from NOW or the like.

Great info for general health !!

 

[Rostam]

200mg/day Ubiquinol, 3-800mg grape seed extract standardized to 95% polyphenols, & pine bark something like a few hundred mg of cheaper stuff or 100mg Pycnogenol. There was no benefit using the brand name over a larger dose of regular pine bark extract in studies, so save your money & just get pine bark extract from NOW or the like.

Are you taking grape seed extract AND pine bark? Don’t they do the same thing?

 

[Hyde]

Are you taking grape seed extract AND pine bark? Don’t they do the same thing?

Yes, and no to the same thing. I mean they’re both good for your cardiovascular system, but generalizing to that level would be like saying NAC & TUDCA ‘do the same thing’ because they both support hepatic health under stressors.

 

[Rocket3015]

Will daily Sildenafil do the same thing as daily Tadalafil ?

 

[Eyeoftheneedle74]

200mg/day Ubiquinol, 3-800mg grape seed extract standardized to 95% polyphenols, & pine bark something like a few hundred mg of cheaper stuff or 100mg Pycnogenol. There was no benefit using the brand name over a larger dose of regular pine bark extract in studies, so save your money & just get pine bark extract from NOW or the like.

Thank you, Hyde!

 

[ugsavage]

To be honest high blood pressure is more from AAS then from stimulants. I find that massive amounts of cardio has always worked best for me for high blood pressure combined with supplements

 

[Rostam]

Will daily Sildenafil do the same thing as daily Tadalafil ?

Sildenafil has a shorter half life. If someone wants to take it for BP I guess he should multi dose it with lower dosages. But don’t know if lower dosage of sildenafil (split of daily dose in 2-3 doses) would have the same impact and lower BP.

 

[Rocket3015]

Sildenafil has a shorter half life. If someone wants to take it for BP I guess he should multi dose it with lower dosages. But don’t know if lower dosage of sildenafil (split of daily dose in 2-3 doses) would have the same impact and lower BP.

Thank you for your input.

 

[ugsavage]

Sildenafil has a shorter half life. If someone wants to take it for BP I guess he should multi dose it with lower dosages. But don’t know if lower dosage of sildenafil (split of daily dose in 2-3 doses) would have the same impact and lower BP.

I tried something similar with Avanafil and it definitely helped lower my BP. I get some nasty sides from Cialis anything over 5 mg. I was stacking them 5 mg of Cialis and 50 - 75 mg Avanafil and it lowered my BP about ten points. But of course that is only temporary and upon cessation BP always returned to baseline

 

[Rostam]

I tried something similar with Avanafil and it definitely helped lower my BP. I get some nasty sides from Cialis anything over 5 mg. I was stacking them 5 mg of Cialis and 50 - 75 mg Avanafil and it lowered my BP about ten points. But of course that is only temporary and upon cessation BP always returned to baseline

You had 5mg per day tadalafil in the mix. This is enough by itself to lower BP. What would be interesting is to see how ananafil alone could impact your BP. especially if you were taking it once daily. But it was not the case.

 

[Rocket3015]

I take 5mg daily of Tadalafil for BPH (Prostate) I was wondering if Sildenafil would give the same relief. The sad thing is I bet thebigT would have the answer.

 

[panico.pt]

Eu tomo 5mg diariamente de Tadalafil para BPH (Próstata) Eu queria saber se Sildenafil daria o mesmo alívio. O triste é que aposto que thebigT teria a resposta.
[/CITAR]

Daily use of sildenafil 50mg at night effectively ameliorates nocturia in patients with lower urinary tract symptoms associated with benign prostatic hyperplasia: an exploratory multicenter, double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled study - PubMed

Sildenafil 25 mg qd, 25 mg bid and 50 mg qd are safe and effective to improve LUTS/BPH in long term, along with coexisting ED. In particular, nocturia is most well-controlled by 50 mg qd.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Rocket3015]

@panico.pt Thank you very much for that !

 

[ugsavage]

You had 5mg per day tadalafil in the mix. This is enough by itself to lower BP. What would be interesting is to see how ananafil alone could impact your BP. especially if you were taking it once daily. But it was not the case.

I doubt Avanafil by itself would lower BP. I originally wanted to try as a preworkout in place of Cialis but it was problematic. The half life being the first problem as dosing multiple times a day can be unrealistic and the fact that it's designed to bind specifically to pde5 receptors in sex organs

It's basically a porn star drug. I originally thought it could be a side effect free pde5 inhibitor but that is just not the case. Cialis inhibits pde11 as well which could explain it's overall health benefits compared to other pde 5 inhibitors

 

[Rostam]

It's basically a porn star drug. I originally thought it could be a side effect free pde5 inhibitor but that is just not the case. Cialis inhibits pde11 as well which could explain it's overall health benefits compared to other pde 5 inhibitors

I believe you’re right about avanafil being selective to sex organs. However i. regard to pde11 inhibition it seems to be the other way around and one of the reason whey avanafil is more selective.

American Urological Association

Avanafil also had higher selectivity against phosphodiesterase-11 than tadalafil (greater than 19,000 vs 25-fold)

 

[ugsavage]

Avanafil also had higher selectivity against phosphodiesterase-11 than tadalafil (greater than 19,000 vs 25-fold)

Interesting I wasn't aware that Avanafil also inhibits pde11 and to a greater extent. This could be a potential downfall however as I find it too selective when compared to Cialis. This would explain how ineffective it was taken preworkout.

All the science behind Cialis is just the superior drug IMO. It has the longer half life. It provides an increase in oxygen capacity. And like you mentioned just 5 mg of the stuff can lower BP

 

[Rostam]

Interesting I wasn't aware that Avanafil also inhibits pde11 and to a greater extent. This could be a potential downfall however as I find it too selective when compared to Cialis. This would explain how ineffective it was taken preworkout.

All the science behind Cialis is just the superior drug IMO. It has the longer half life. It provides an increase in oxygen capacity. And like you mentioned just 5 mg of the stuff can lower BP

In regard to use of pde inhibitors for preworkout/pump. I’wondering if vardenafil is a better option than cialis and sildenafil.

 

[Rocket3015]

Ok, last night before bed I took 25mg of Sildenafil and I only got up once to pee which normally is 3-4 times ????

 

[ugsavage]

Ok, last night before bed I took 25mg of Sildenafil and I only got up once to pee which normally is 3-4 times ????

Sildenafil is effective at improving BPH along with most if not all pde5 inhibitors

 

[ugsavage]

In regard to use of pde inhibitors for preworkout/pump. I’wondering if vardenafil is a better option than cialis and sildenafil.

I honestly wouldn't mess with Vardenifil. All of these drugs can prolong the QT interval. However Vardenifil does this to a greater extent the FDA actually has this on the warning label

Cardiac safety in clinical trials of phosphodiesterase 5 inhibitors - PubMed

Phosphodiesterase type 5 (PDE5) inhibitors have revolutionized the treatment of erectile dysfunction (ED). Those safe and effective agents were originally developed for their cardiovascular effects and were incidentally found to enhance erections. Since the introduction of the first PDE5...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Rostam]

I honestly wouldn't mess with Vardenifil. All of these drugs can prolong the QT interval. However Vardenifil does this to a greater extent the FDA actually has this on the warning label

Cardiac safety in clinical trials of phosphodiesterase 5 inhibitors - PubMed

Phosphodiesterase type 5 (PDE5) inhibitors have revolutionized the treatment of erectile dysfunction (ED). Those safe and effective agents were originally developed for their cardiovascular effects and were incidentally found to enhance erections. Since the introduction of the first PDE5...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Right, but the QT prolongation seems to be small and not of concern for healthy people.

Vardenafil - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

www.sciencedirect.com

 

[ugsavage]

Right, but the QT prolongation seems to be small and not of concern for healthy people.

Right just something to watch out for.
Several different medications and rec drugs can also prolong the QT interval. This is when it starts to get dangerous if someone were to be combining these

 

[Rocket3015]

Ok, last night before bed I took 25mg of Sildenafil and I only got up once to pee which normally is 3-4 times ????

UPDATE
Last night before bed I took 25mg of Sildenafil only got up once to pee. I think tonight I will try splitting the dose AM & PM see if a AM dose PWO will help with the pump?

 

[ugsavage]

UPDATE
Last night before bed I took 25mg of Sildenafil only got up once to pee. I think tonight I will try splitting the dose AM & PM see if a AM dose PWO will help with the pump?

I have tried taking sildenafil preworkout and it was hit or miss for me. Cialis on the other hand I walk out of the gym looking twice my size. To be fair though I take very short rest periods between sets and have been training in a higher rep range