Chemical One & Fadogia Agrestis - Chaos & Pain

[Joe12]

Just out of curiosity....

I was looking over C&P site, and noticed their DHEA-1 product called, Chemical One. What caught my attention was it is stacked with Fadogia Agrestis, and being advertised as a sufficient test base. Here is what it says...

"Just for the heck of it, we decided to throw Fadogia into the mix, and included it in Chemical One!* Now you can rest assured knowing that your natural test levels are being taken care of."

Also, there is no mention of a test base in their stack protocol. From what I read, Fadogia appears to be no more then a herb with a lack of human studies and no proof of increasing test. Maybe the sites I was reading from are out dated, if so, please let me know. More then anything, I am just trying to figure out this one, info welcomed.

https://www.chaosandpain.com/chemical-one-lean-mass-gainer/

 

[Johnold]

Just out of curiosity....

I was looking over C&P site, and noticed their DHEA-1 product called, Chemical One. What caught my attention was it is stacked with Fadogia Agrestis, and being advertised as a sufficient test base. Here is what it says...

"Just for the heck of it, we decided to throw Fadogia into the mix, and included it in Chemical One!* Now you can rest assured knowing that your natural test levels are being taken care of."

Also, there is no mention of a test base in their stack protocol. From what I read, Fadogia appears to be no more then a herb with a lack of human studies and no proof of increasing test. Maybe the sites I was reading from are out dated, if so, please let me know. More then anything, I am just trying to figure out this one, info welcomed.

https://www.chaosandpain.com/chemical-one-lean-mass-gainer/

Looks like an interesting combo recipe.

 

[kisaj]

Not sure, but I don't take anything from C+P seriously. Fadogia is not new at all and tends to work well for libido, but the test boosting studies​ consist of a rat study that showed improvement. Personally, I like it, but wouldn't consider it a test booster.

 

[Johnold]

Isnt Fadogia in Magnitropin?

 

[Joe12]

Not sure, but I don't take anything from C+P seriously. Fadogia is not new at all and tends to work well for libido, but the test boosting studies​ consist of a rat study that showed improvement. Personally, I like it, but wouldn't consider it a test booster.

Sounds like we read the same info... It would be interested in taking fadogia solo, but anything that is a herb should not be presented as a suitable test base. If that is all it is, then C&P is going to suppress the sh** out of some people that don't know any better.

But... like I mentioned, I am open to more info if anyone has it.

 

[mike33511]

No natural supplement can function as a test base. Period.

 

[Brandinooooo]

No natural supplement can function as a test base. Period.

That^^ please do not take this without a real base.

 

[Johnold]

So none of these herbal test boosting and anabolic supplements do what they say? Just bogus.

 

[mike33511]

So none of these herbal test boosting and anabolic supplements do what they say? Just bogus.

They may raise test levels slightly, but they would only be able to do so through your body's natural testosterone production. When you take a compound like 1-andro, natural testosterone production is suppressed, and natural supplements simply aren't powerful enough to counteract this.

 

[Johnold]

But ofcourse you arent talking about 1ad.

 

[Johnold]

Been thinking about starting a first cycle of PH . At 35, it should benefit me.

 

[Brandinooooo]

Been thinking about starting a first cycle of PH . At 35, it should benefit me.

Get a real base. This will have you lethargic probably to the point of skipping the gym.

They may raise test levels slightly, but they would only be able to do so through your body's natural testosterone production. When you take a compound like 1-andro, natural testosterone production is suppressed, and natural supplements simply aren't powerful enough to counteract this.

Exactly. When you use a ph, your bodies natural production stops. So a natural booster won't do anything.

 

[Johnold]

Was thinking 1-Testosterone by Hi-Tech. I've never really had trouble putting on muscle or tone but DHEA prohormones are seeming more and more to be such mild hormonals. Im trying to come around mentally to take them for the first time. I mean, its not like taking those crazy designer steroids that were out that got banned. Those for ME were a MAJOR No No.

 

[mike33511]

Was thinking 1-Testosterone by Hi-Tech. I've never really had trouble putting on muscle or tone but DHEA prohormones are seeming more and more to be such mild hormonals. Im trying to come around mentally to take them for the first time. I mean, its not like taking those crazy designer steroids that were out that got banned. Those for ME were a MAJOR No No.

Go for it, bro, but stack it with 4-andro (a real test base). Run them each at 330mg/day for 8 weeks. Have an AI like Exemestane or Arimidex on hand, and use a SERM like Clomid or Nolva for PCT.

 

[pyrobatt]

Just out of curiosity....

I was looking over C&P site, and noticed their DHEA-1 product called, Chemical One. What caught my attention was it is stacked with Fadogia Agrestis, and being advertised as a sufficient test base. Here is what it says...

"Just for the heck of it, we decided to throw Fadogia into the mix, and included it in Chemical One!* Now you can rest assured knowing that your natural test levels are being taken care of."

Also, there is no mention of a test base in their stack protocol. From what I read, Fadogia appears to be no more then a herb with a lack of human studies and no proof of increasing test. Maybe the sites I was reading from are out dated, if so, please let me know. More then anything, I am just trying to figure out this one, info welcomed.

https://www.chaosandpain.com/chemical-one-lean-mass-gainer/

Fadogia is there to act like a natural hcg type of thing. Keep your boys plump and libido up. It is not a test base.


We are going to rework the description on the website of each product due to things situations like this.

 

[Joe12]

Go for it, bro, but stack it with 4-andro (a real test base). Run them each at 330mg/day for 8 weeks. Have an AI like Exemestane or Arimidex on hand, and use a SERM like Clomid or Nolva for PCT.

You could also use EPI as your test base, all depends on your goals. The possibility of rebound guno has always scared me when it comes to andro4.

 

[Joe12]

Fadogia is there to act like a natural hcg type of thing. Keep your boys plump and libido up. It is not a test base.


We are going to rework the description on the website of each product due to things situations like this.

Thanks man, glad to hear that.

 

[Johnold]

You could also use EPI as your test base, all depends on your goals. The possibility of rebound guno has always scared me when it comes to andro4.

Yeah see that scares me.

I dont want either my hair/scalp or hormones messed up so bad that gyno sets in.


Thats why ive always been natty.

It was always PES back in the FIRST GEN days and now ive parted with them some what and went with Myokem. Waiting for their relaunch. But honestly ive been thinking of hormonals for the first time ever. Its not like im a 20 year old young lad that doesn't need it.

 

[Joe12]

Yeah see that scares me.

I dont want either my hair/scalp or hormones messed up so bad that gyno sets in.


Thats why ive always been natty.

It was always PES back in the FIRST GEN days and now ive parted with them some what and went with Myokem. Waiting for their relaunch. But honestly ive been thinking of hormonals for the first time ever. Its not like im a 20 year old young lad that doesn't need it.

Honestly, every compound comes with a cost. EPI has been known to cauls hair loss for some men, but there are virtually 0 estrogen spikes with andro 1 & epi, so gyno is a non-issue. No matter what type of andro you take, your HPTA will shut down. That is what it does, the question is not if it will, the question is will you feel the suppression. If you keep a strong test base, then your sex drive will stay in tack, and your recovery will be better. I've run SARMS once, and PH 3x. I got lethargic as crap on LGD, but on my PH run, I didn't have any lethargy although my sex drive just went away around the 4th week... I ended upping my epi to 1000 just to off set it. If you are going to play, ya got to pay. The question is... is it worth it.

 

[Johnold]

It might not be too worth it then. Im not looking to be all huge and stuff. Just lean,toned cut. How come PES had to get rid of their old lineup? Old epro, abe alphamine and alphaT2 worked unbelievably. I got amazing results on all 4 of those products so well people thought i was on gear. Seriously. WHY PES WHY!?

And for the LIFE of me i cant find a company with uncanny, unbelievably similar products. It sucks soooo bad!. I miss my old first gen PES...

 

[Ricky10]

It might not be too worth it then. Im not looking to be all huge and stuff. Just lean,toned cut. How come PES had to get rid of their old lineup? Old epro, abe alphamine and alphaT2 worked unbelievably. I got amazing results on all 4 of those products so well people thought i was on gear. Seriously. WHY PES WHY!?

And for the LIFE of me i cant find a company with uncanny, unbelievably similar products. It sucks soooo bad!. I miss my old first gen PES...

Yeah, and to run these Andro stacks at full dose costs a fortune, then add in your ancillaries and PCT. It is really quite ridiculous.

 

[mike33511]

Yeah, and to run these Andro stacks at full dose costs a fortune, then add in your ancillaries and PCT. It is really quite ridiculous.

Yep, the most expensive steroids/prohormones on the market today (black market included).

 

[Johnold]

So the only safest or rather LEAST amount of negative side affects prohormone is 1-Andro or maybe 1-Testosterone?

Which is better in that and all around terms? 1-Testosterone seems maybe a bit more favored?

 

[mike33511]

So the only safest or rather LEAST amount of negative side affects prohormone is 1-Andro or maybe 1-Testosterone?

Which is better in that and all around terms? 1-Testosterone seems maybe a bit more favored?

I think you're referring to the same thing. 1-andro is a 2-step prohormone to the steroid 1-testosterone. Hi-Tech's 1-Testosterone product is 1-andro.

 

[Johnold]

So why have the 2 if they are the same? I cant understand why hi tech has both.

 

[brofessorx]

Fadogia depending on the extract is great in pct.
The only thing that works as a test base is testosterone, and its pro hormones if it's something else like ment, ( ment base) or epi ( dht base) then call it what it is. Not what you wish it was.

No one is running mast with tren saying, I got a test base, its masteron prop