check out my testosterone results. Need input

[AndShane]

My test numbers. 43 in shape male. I can for sure feel strength in gym decline a little. My shbg is higher. Should I look at trt or would I benefit from something natural since it’s not terrible. Wanting to stay natural if all possible but also want to feel optimized. Energy could be better and libido.

 

[composner]

Your total test is great for your age. Trt would be useless. Try boron, stinging nettle, or something by a board sponsor to lower SHBG and make sure you're sleeping and resting enough.

 

[BBiceps]

Your total test is great for your age. Trt would be useless. Try boron, stinging nettle, or something by a board sponsor to lower SHBG and make sure you're sleeping and resting enough.

^This^
OP, TRT wouldn’t be “useless” but very unnecessary and to be honest stupid. Try some natural supplements instead, ask in the supplement section if you need help.

 

[Smont]

One thing I hate hearing is "for your age" even tho the statement is true, you don't want lower quality of life as we get older so I want my testosterone as high as possible if I'm 18 or 81.

With that said, no1 with those numbers is a candidate for trt, your numbers are about where they want someone on try, and my personal opinion is your testosterone level has nothing to do with your specific situation or lower libido and energy. I'm not saying testosterone doesn't effect those things, but theres also a million other variables on why someone might have a dip in energy or libido and that's probably the case here.

If you still wanna get higher test without diving into cycling, Take a crack at lowering shbg or you could try using hcg and eventually a serm to see how high you can get it and see how long it stays elevated. A few years ago Vigerous Steve (I hate his name lol) had protocols listed for this on his channel.

 

[Resolve10]

Honestly I'd avoid getting into the weird min-maxing people do with their hormones if things aren't out of line.

You can either look into natural supplements (in conjunction with any particular lifestyle changes needed) that target specific benefits you desire or you can look into hormonal avenues, but understand that will likely be more of looking for a supraphysiological approach than just trying to improve already good numbers depending on what you are really looking to achieve.

 

[lanky]

the last time i saw testosterone in the 700 range was when i was in my mid to late 20's

 

[AndShane]

Yeah I guess I am lucky. People I’ve been to say my free t sucks so they want to put me on more test to compensate

 

[lanky]

i have always noticed a nice slight but noticeable boost from just regular dhea at around 50mg a day, i am around your age also. i really also like transdermal pregnenolone from alpha gainz also. has many downstream neurosteroid metabolites that help overall wellbeing for me and helps the skin on my face feel plump smooth and young.

 

[Shadowblaze]

My test numbers. 43 in shape male. I can for sure feel strength in gym decline a little. My shbg is higher. Should I look at trt or would I benefit from something natural since it’s not terrible. Wanting to stay natural if all possible but also want to feel optimized. Energy could be better and libido.

You've got some impressive total testosterone. I will suggest some natural and 1 unnatural supplement to increase free test and lower shbg safely. (Note that nutrients like vitamin d, selenium and boron are priority #1 for increasing free testosterone.) Most of these supplements will be the same ones that people in the supplements forum will recommend to you.

Mtest, a very affordable, very reputable and great test booster. This is most peoples staple product for testosterone.

Competitive Edge Labs M-Test - 180 Cap by Competitive Edge Labs CEL

Experience the power of M-Test, a comprehensive testosterone booster with clinically researched ingredients to enhance strength, muscle, fat loss, and libido.

www.dpsnutrition.net

Alpha gel by xpg is a great topical natural testosterone booster which contains multiple strong natural aromatase inhibitors and tongkat ali, making it overall great for increasing free testosterone

XPG Xtreme Gels Alpha Gel - 100 ML by XPG Xtreme Performance Gels

Alpha Gel supports natural testosterone, lean muscle, strength, libido, and mood for enhanced well-being and performance. Perfect for all men, workout or not.

www.dpsnutrition.net

Imo along with mtest this will be by far the best supplement for increasing free testosterone. It is a topical Divanillyltetrahydrofuran product, which has been shown in studies to completely stop testosterone and dht from binding to shbg, cool stuff. If I were you this would be the one I try first, big increases in free testosterone.

Hyperion

Hyperion is Apex Alchemy's first anti-aging*, testosterone enhancing*, multi-ingredient antioxidant gel.

www.apex-alchemy.com

Sns optimize T, great test booster but most people still prefer cel mtest. It has tongkat ali, and a great Fenugreek extract.

SNS Serious Nutrition Solutions Optimize-T - 120 Cap

Optimize-T: Boost testosterone, enhance libido, increase strength, and improve overall well-being with clinically-backed ingredients. Feel revitalized today!

www.dpsnutrition.net

Now if your serious about increasing free testosterone and are ok with going an unnatural route I would point you to arimahex which is a topical 6oxo product, an aromatase inhibitor which has been shown in an independent study to nearly double free testosterone and only increase estrone by roughly 30% in the study none of the clinical safety markers were elevated indicating its most likely safe and well tolerated, the study was also done in eugonadal men which is a plus since you are eugonadal. This is gonna be the most effective since it will cause a lot of muscle growth and fat loss.

Arimahex

Arimahex contains the natural metabolite known as 6-OXO. This concentrated metabolite is produced naturally by the human body and is found in several types of meats.

www.apex-alchemy.com

Study:


Its also worth noting that blr formeron will come out soon which will be like 6 oxo but way bigger increase in testosterone and way more anabolism. I will link the thread below.

Post in thread 'FORMERON 2024'

Sep 14, 2024

Just a quick update.
This is a compilation of the texts from tester A
Keep in mind that increased testosterone is more if a bonus. The primary anabolic effects are not from testosterone.

Hey x̌xxxcc! I was going to reach back out to you today. I just applied the last 4ml. I noticed on day 5 the effects significantly kicked in!
My training in the gym on Thursday and Friday was stellar with heavier weights and more endurance.
I've a noticeable pump in my arms and shoulders also since then, and overall I've had that alpha male, driven attitude. The aching in the testes has been reduced and...

• brundel

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[neutrino]

Your total test is great for your age. Trt would be useless. Try boron, stinging nettle, or something by a board sponsor to lower SHBG and make sure you're sleeping and resting enough.

I second this. Boron does appear to work, but anecdotes seem to suggest that there is an eventual compensatory mechanism that naturally increases SHBG with prolonged exposure to Boron.

 

[bell1986]

One thing I hate hearing is "for your age" even tho the statement is true, you don't want lower quality of life as we get older so I want my testosterone as high as possible if I'm 18 or 81.

With that said, no1 with those numbers is a candidate for trt, your numbers are about where they want someone on try, and my personal opinion is your testosterone level has nothing to do with your specific situation or lower libido and energy. I'm not saying testosterone doesn't effect those things, but theres also a million other variables on why someone might have a dip in energy or libido and that's probably the case here.

If you still wanna get higher test without diving into cycling, Take a crack at lowering shbg or you could try using hcg and eventually a serm to see how high you can get it and see how long it stays elevated. A few years ago Vigerous Steve (I hate his name lol) had protocols listed for this on his channel.

Awesome comment.

The part where you said that. I hate hearing 'For your age'. This really stands out to me.

My Dad is 68 and recently we sat down and chatted and he said he's really starting to notice his age. He brought up that his sex drive has plummeted and that he can't keep it up and that he feels like a failure. Honestly it hurt me when he said this. He just said. I'm old and should accept it. All old people have this issue I've read. I know that he's worrying about it though.

I was like. You need to get this 'I'm Old' mentality out of your mind. Yes your aging.... like everyone else is. Just because your not performing like when you were 21 years old doesn't make you any less of a man. I just said that it can be fixed. I'm doing all the background work for him. I picked up an in depth bloodwork panel for him and got him some cialis to see him through just now. He's never been a pill person so all this is new to him. He came to me and said. That cialis is magic btw. I had no issues. He seemed so happy lol. I said. Well atleast for now that is working again but let's just check that nothing else is going on. I suspect his testosterone levels will be fairly low. Once I get the results I will go from their. I did chat to him about going on trt and he's up for it. The needle idea gives him the fear but after a couple jabs your fine. I think trt would actually transform him. O can actually monitor all his levels and tweak them based on how he's feeling etc.

Thanks man that comment really stood out to me. Gotta look after your parents. Doesn't matter the issue. Aging sucks but thanks to science we can make it more comfortable.

 

[Smont]

Awesome comment.

The part where you said that. I hate hearing 'For your age'. This really stands out to me.

My Dad is 68 and recently we sat down and chatted and he said he's really starting to notice his age. He brought up that his sex drive has plummeted and that he can't keep it up and that he feels like a failure. Honestly it hurt me when he said this. He just said. I'm old and should accept it. All old people have this issue I've read. I know that he's worrying about it though.

I was like. You need to get this 'I'm Old' mentality out of your mind. Yes your aging.... like everyone else is. Just because your not performing like when you were 21 years old doesn't make you any less of a man. I just said that it can be fixed. I'm doing all the background work for him. I picked up an in depth bloodwork panel for him and got him some cialis to see him through just now. He's never been a pill person so all this is new to him. He came to me and said. That cialis is magic btw. I had no issues. He seemed so happy lol. I said. Well atleast for now that is working again but let's just check that nothing else is going on. I suspect his testosterone levels will be fairly low. Once I get the results I will go from their. I did chat to him about going on trt and he's up for it. The needle idea gives him the fear but after a couple jabs your fine. I think trt would actually transform him. O can actually monitor all his levels and tweak them based on how he's feeling etc.

Thanks man that comment really stood out to me. Gotta look after your parents. Doesn't matter the issue. Aging sucks but thanks to science we can make it more comfortable.

People may have seen me pooh on the test creams, and while they are pretty much useless for bodybuilding, for many ppl do great on them for trt. It's a bit of a process to get use to but a little test and a daily low dose 5-7.5mg cialis will fix a lot of old man problems. Just make sure he's not popping 20mg tabs everyday

 

[thescience]

You've got some impressive total testosterone. I will suggest some natural and 1 unnatural supplement to increase free test and lower shbg safely. (Note that nutrients like vitamin d, selenium and boron are priority #1 for increasing free testosterone.) Most of these supplements will be the same ones that people in the supplements forum will recommend to you.

Mtest, a very affordable, very reputable and great test booster. This is most peoples staple product for testosterone.

Competitive Edge Labs M-Test - 180 Cap by Competitive Edge Labs CEL

Experience the power of M-Test, a comprehensive testosterone booster with clinically researched ingredients to enhance strength, muscle, fat loss, and libido.

www.dpsnutrition.net

Alpha gel by xpg is a great topical natural testosterone booster which contains multiple strong natural aromatase inhibitors and tongkat ali, making it overall great for increasing free testosterone

XPG Xtreme Gels Alpha Gel - 100 ML by XPG Xtreme Performance Gels

Alpha Gel supports natural testosterone, lean muscle, strength, libido, and mood for enhanced well-being and performance. Perfect for all men, workout or not.

www.dpsnutrition.net

Imo along with mtest this will be by far the best supplement for increasing free testosterone. It is a topical Divanillyltetrahydrofuran product, which has been shown in studies to completely stop testosterone and dht from binding to shbg, cool stuff. If I were you this would be the one I try first, big increases in free testosterone.

Hyperion

Hyperion is Apex Alchemy's first anti-aging*, testosterone enhancing*, multi-ingredient antioxidant gel.

www.apex-alchemy.com

Sns optimize T, great test booster but most people still prefer cel mtest. It has tongkat ali, and a great Fenugreek extract.

SNS Serious Nutrition Solutions Optimize-T - 120 Cap

Optimize-T: Boost testosterone, enhance libido, increase strength, and improve overall well-being with clinically-backed ingredients. Feel revitalized today!

www.dpsnutrition.net

Now if your serious about increasing free testosterone and are ok with going an unnatural route I would point you to arimahex which is a topical 6oxo product, an aromatase inhibitor which has been shown in an independent study to nearly double free testosterone and only increase estrone by roughly 30% in the study none of the clinical safety markers were elevated indicating its most likely safe and well tolerated, the study was also done in eugonadal men which is a plus since you are eugonadal. This is gonna be the most effective since it will cause a lot of muscle growth and fat loss.

Arimahex

Arimahex contains the natural metabolite known as 6-OXO. This concentrated metabolite is produced naturally by the human body and is found in several types of meats.

www.apex-alchemy.com

Study:


Its also worth noting that blr formeron will come out soon which will be like 6 oxo but way bigger increase in testosterone and way more anabolism. I will link the thread below.

Post in thread 'FORMERON 2024'

Sep 14, 2024

Just a quick update.
This is a compilation of the texts from tester A
Keep in mind that increased testosterone is more if a bonus. The primary anabolic effects are not from testosterone.

Hey x̌xxxcc! I was going to reach back out to you today. I just applied the last 4ml. I noticed on day 5 the effects significantly kicked in!
My training in the gym on Thursday and Friday was stellar with heavier weights and more endurance.
I've a noticeable pump in my arms and shoulders also since then, and overall I've had that alpha male, driven attitude. The aching in the testes has been reduced and...

• brundel

• 

interesting i had no idea 6 oxo increased dht by 192%. also doesnt seem to lower cortisol:

Effects of eight weeks of an alleged aromatase inhibiting nutritional supplement 6-OXO (androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione) on serum hormone profiles and clinical safety markers in resistance-trained, eugonadal males - PMC

The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of 6-OXO, a purported nutritional aromatase inhibitor, in a dose dependent manner on body composition, serum hormone levels, and clinical safety markers in resistance trained males. Sixteen ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Shadowblaze]

interesting i had no idea 6 oxo increased dht by 192%. also doesnt seem to lower cortisol:

Effects of eight weeks of an alleged aromatase inhibiting nutritional supplement 6-OXO (androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione) on serum hormone profiles and clinical safety markers in resistance-trained, eugonadal males - PMC

The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of 6-OXO, a purported nutritional aromatase inhibitor, in a dose dependent manner on body composition, serum hormone levels, and clinical safety markers in resistance trained males. Sixteen ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Yeah, I know its a really forgiving AI that seems to be one of the most well tolerated. The dht increase is great since it means some more strength and who doesn't wanna be stronger.