change in norcodrene?

ma70 said:
I'm sure my opinion will be unpopular, but I'm just gonna thrown in my 2 cents before I just ignore this thread.

1) Most of these fat burners/diet pills don't really help you burn fat, they're meant to help make dieting not feel like complete crap. I've seen plenty of people get shredded with a single fat burner pill. These new ingredients seem like they may allow people to feel better while dieting. Also, even though I am Yohimbine tolerant (i can take 17.5 YHCL pre-cardio and not have a heart attack) I think the anxiety sides SOMETIMES come into play. Not really great during dieting.

2) Yohimbine as a fat burner is only useful IMO, before cardio and without insulin being raised (meaning no food anywhere near the time you plan on doing this combo of Yohimbine+Cardio). Anytime else is honestly a waste because Yohimbine's MOA gets thrown out the window when insulin is elevated. I see people taking Yohimbine/Norcodrene near food all the time. Why bother? Maybe I missed something. This makes the formula more versatile. I like barebones/minimum and "targeted" formulas but that's just me.

3) Yohimbine is cheap. Just add it in. I know people keep talking about the novel ingredient, but eh, you either can't take Yohimbine or you can. There is a decent amount of options out there for this now, including Alpha-Y.

Either way, it's worth a try. If it's dirt cheap on an insider, I'll still buy it. I wish there was more novel stuff, but I'll just take what works. I mean, look at what happened with Amentoflavone...hahahaha....
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Good points. I happen to believe that Alphamine is one of the only designer supps I've taken that has genuinely helped with fat loss, and I believe a significant portion of its efficacy was due to SA2-A, which, by the way, gives me far less jitters and anxiety than standard Y-HCL. I take mine first thing in the morning on an empty stomach and do ~20 minutes of HIIT on my recumbent bike. It puts me in a state of sweaty, energized euphoria and suppresses my appetite which assists in my quasi-intermittent fasting protocol that has brought me down to single digit bf%.

It's so rare to find a supplement that actually does what it claims. This is why I love(d) PES so damn much. I have not given up on them by any means. This is just a discussion and I'd say it's valuable for any company to have such direct access to honest customer feedback. I am anxiously looking forward to the new profile.
 
And if anyone wants a good laugh and wants to see what a sham this is, I point you to the following thread.
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It really goes to show how far (or how far backwards) we've come.

FYI the first 10 or so pages are riddled with ephedrine references, even one by a PES member who states it was just as good as ephedrine.
 
I remember those discussions. Years before my time as a rep but it was arguable that modern, well formulated products could contend with ephedrine

And as they go further than just thermogenesis, they do.

Don't think that was ever a Y vs. Ephedrine discussion...


I think we should relax, and not waste more time than we already have here
 
kbayne said:
Yohimbine HCL is so cheap to buy in bulk, if you want it, no reason not to add it yourself.

So many people are too sensitive to yohimbine. Yes, it is a very effective ingredient, but with the number of individuals who simply cannot use it, it will allow everyone the ability to use Alphamine.
I feel SA2-A is way better than yohimbine hcl.
Is pes Gonna sell SA2-A? If so I'm completely ok with the change
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Ephedrine >

Yohimbine has been around a very long time as has Ephedrine along with the studies often being quoted in support for or against it. Will Brink had it in his old ass book from so many years ago for both Ephedrine as well EC/YC and ECY even and discussing at the time studies showing Yohimbine to not have nearly the support for it's effects on weight loss while Ephedrine def had support for weight loss showing a loss in sedentary individuals.

How could anyone think Yohimbine is on the same level as Ephedrine would be the real question

Ephedrine at one time was in everything back when I started getting active in my youth 1998-2003ish or abouts went through a lot of brown bottled ripped fuel and even GNC/Gas stations all carried Ephedrine ( Ephedrine HCL tablets by 100-500 ct bottles even ) based energy pills/fat burners etc etc Yohimbine was essentially put in its place immediately once Ephedrine was orig Banned as it was at the time the closest legal thing they could use.

I wish it was still used in supplements.. instead I am stuck buying it with an ID at a ****ing pharmacy..
 
Here's my take.

Norcodrene and Alphamine were great supplements that actually worked and PES did a GREAT job building a fan base with those products.

Synapsin, BDCC, D2L, et. al. are stand up guys and they have surprised me in the past. Honestly, the first time I tried Alphamine I really didn't like it, I didn't even finish half the tub. 6 months later, I found the tub and decided to finish it up and was like, "Whoa, was I taking something different before?"

PES has always been on the line between staying 100% compliant and being cutting edge. They were never really over the top cutting edge because they maintained compliance, but they had good, unique, novel formulas just the same.

Severely changing, and effectively getting rid of two of their most popular products, is bound to upset their raving fan base.

This new formula for Norcodrene, on paper, looks like complete junk to me. Maybe I'm wrong. I'd like to find out.
 
Suddenly yohimbine is bad and PES reps spare no time ripping it apart, suddenly it's user selective and doesn't work for the majority of the population and the rest of the world...wow just wow, Screw U PES for being such a hypocrite, it's all about the money, let's be clear here.
 
This thread is getting very redundant. Lets see what these guys got to offer. I know ill be purchasing and i will be very honest in my review...
 
bashar said:
Suddenly yohimbine is bad and PES reps spare no time ripping it apart, suddenly it's user selective and doesn't work for the majority of the population and the rest of the world...wow just wow, Screw U PES for being such a hypocrite, it's all about the money, let's be clear here.
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I've never personally said anything negative about Y or any other form besides the side effects it can cause in some users.

We all know Y is taken out of the formulas, so if one wants to add it, like it has been stated numerous times, add it in bulk. Its probably one of the cheapest ingredients available and very easy to use and dose correctly.

If individuals on the board decide to not use Norcodrene or Alphamine because of the change in the formulas, then that is certainly okay as well. We aren't forcing anyone to spend their hard earned cash on any supplement.
 
bashar said:
Suddenly yohimbine is bad and PES reps spare no time ripping it apart, suddenly it's user selective and doesn't work for the majority of the population and the rest of the world...wow just wow, Screw U PES for being such a hypocrite, it's all about the money, let's be clear here.
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Lol why you taking it so personal?
 
kbayne said:
I've never personally said anything negative about Y or any other form besides the side effects it can cause in some users.

We all know Y is taken out of the formulas, so if one wants to add it, like it has been stated numerous times, add it in bulk. Its probably one of the cheapest ingredients available and very easy to use and dose correctly.

If individuals on the board decide to not use Norcodrene or Alphamine because of the change in the formulas, then that is certainly okay as well. We aren't forcing anyone to spend their hard earned cash on any supplement.
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It is redic cheap I only wish companies sold large amounts pre-capped ( 250-500ct bottles of 2.5-5mg caps ) because even my larger dosing is still so very tiny ( 15mg- or so Y-HCL ) I have seen it sold in 5-10g+ bags but the amount of effort it would take me to properly make sure I am only using 15-20mg keeps me from doing so lol I am slightly paranoid.. like oops 50mg :|
 
Rob1882 said:
It is redic cheap I only wish companies sold large amounts pre-capped ( 250-500ct bottles of 2.5-5mg caps ) because even my larger dosing is still so very tiny ( 15mg- or so Y-HCL ) I have seen it sold in 5-10g+ bags but the amount of effort it would take me to properly make sure I am only using 15-20mg keeps me from doing so lol I am slightly paranoid.. like oops 50mg :|
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Yeah, I wouldn't recommend buying it in bulk unless one capped it themselves.

I believe a few users on here a while ago would just dip their finger in the powder and dose that way. Crazy bastards
 
kbayne said:
Yeah, I wouldn't recommend buying it in bulk unless one capped it themselves.

I believe a few users on here a while ago would just dip their finger in the powder and dose that way. Crazy bastards
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Forget that not worth it haha prob end up in the ER having inhaled 100mg or something :\

I remember a friend once told me I should suspend it in liquid and dose it by the dropper, but when it comes to stimulants I like to be a little safer with the amounts.
 
bashar said:
Suddenly yohimbine is bad and PES reps spare no time ripping it apart, suddenly it's user selective and doesn't work for the majority of the population and the rest of the world...wow just wow, Screw U PES for being such a hypocrite, it's all about the money, let's be clear here.
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Capped versions are so cheap I see 0 reason to ever risk a bulk powder form. I'd have a boner for 6 years if I took too much. Not worth that risk IMO.
 
kbayne said:
Yeah, I wouldn't recommend buying it in bulk unless one capped it themselves.

I believe a few users on here a while ago would just dip their finger in the powder and dose that way. Crazy bastards
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I heard if you snort a line and do fasted cardio the fat literally melts off on the treadmill.
 
Thing is alphamine doesnt have yhcl. So this buy bulk thing is irrelevant fellas. The whole point of alpha yohimbe is it being more effective with less sides. Either ways this whole thread is just beating a dead horse. Lets see what the new product does!
 
EMPIREMIND said:
Thing is alphamine doesnt have yhcl. So this buy bulk thing is irrelevant fellas. The whole point of alpha yohimbe is it being more effective with less sides. Either ways this whole thread is just beating a dead horse. Lets see what the new product does!
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I'm not ready to put my pitch fork down. I want to do more yelling and burning of villages.
 
EMPIREMIND said:
Thing is alphamine doesnt have yhcl. So this buy bulk thing is irrelevant fellas. The whole point of alpha yohimbe is it being more effective with less sides. Either ways this whole thread is just beating a dead horse. Lets see what the new product does!
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Correct, I simply meant from my statement above, individuals can buy either of the three, Y-hcl, alpha-Y, Rauwolscine, or any other form, and throw it in Alphamine.
 
kbayne said:
Correct, I simply meant from my statement above, individuals can buy either of the three, Y-hcl, alpha-Y, Rauwolscine, or any other form, and throw it in Alphamine.
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Facts bro. They are all cheap enough. Its not the end of the world. People just love those two products, they were perfect, but maybe perfect will get better.
 
macwad said:
They didn't drop only Y in norcodrene, but also 2 others and those you wont find in bulk
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Amentoflavone was arguably useless to people, although I am perplexed as to why they got rid of Higenamine. Probably best to just wait for the write up, and maybe it will have an explanation.
 
ma70 said:
Amentoflavone was arguably useless to people, although I am perplexed as to why they got rid of Higenamine. Probably best to just wait for the write up, and maybe it will have an explanation.
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I was actually thinking on the CirsiumPlex and Nomilean... So they dropped Y + 4 other ingredients.
The point, at least for me, is not about only Y. They dropped 5 and added 2 meh stuff and 1 that Shift already has.
 
The point is alphamine and norcodrene had a ton of fans on this forum and it seems like they're removing the active ingredients.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
That is not the point.
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I know what the point is. The statement about higenamine is still wrong.

Btw I am not happy either, however as an European I am used to modified products anyways and I prefer complaining once the new products have been released. If it fails to convince me, I will look somewhere else. Problem solved
 
No love loss from me in nixing the yohimbe and I'm sure everything that's been changed about the formula has a reason and will be adequately dosed as is PES's style...but dang, seeing Chromium picolinate makes me think i just walked back into the mid 90's, I mean after reading a few pages, out of no where my mullet just grew back. Now, don't go breakin my achey breaky heart, eh?
 
Hey I got an idea, how about we start spending our money and educating ourselves on whole foods that are proven to help increase fat burning when paired with cardio? I think I'll take that route for a while. This supplement hype is getting out of hand.
 
If you weren't already doing that...

I don't know what to tell you
 
TheMaster said:
Hey I got an idea, how about we start spending our money and educating ourselves on whole foods that are proven to help increase fat burning when paired with cardio? I think I'll take that route for a while. This supplement hype is getting out of hand.
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You mean we're not supposed to get all of our calories from Select?

*looks in cupboards*

Ugh, I really mis-read this situation...
 
TheMaster said:
Hey I got an idea, how about we start spending our money and educating ourselves on whole foods that are proven to help increase fat burning when paired with cardio? I think I'll take that route for a while. This supplement hype is getting out of hand.
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I thought the new Norcodrene would turn me into Mr Olympia. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
 
Serving Size : 1 Scoop (2.9 g)
Servings Per Container: 84

Serving % DV
Alphamine Proprietary Blend 1,590mg *
L-Leucine, L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate, Choline Bitartrate, L-Theanine, Ferula Asafoetida (seed) Extract (95% Ferulic Acid)

Caffeine Anhydrous 125mg

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machinehead said:
Serving Size : 1 Scoop (2.9 g)
Servings Per Container: 84

Serving % DV
Alphamine Proprietary Blend 1,590mg *
L-Leucine, L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate, Choline Bitartrate, L-Theanine, Ferula Asafoetida (seed) Extract (95% Ferulic Acid)

Caffeine Anhydrous 125mg

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lololololololololololol welp, guess i won't be buying alphamine anymore either
 
machinehead said:
Serving Size : 1 Scoop (2.9 g)
Servings Per Container: 84

Serving% DV
Alphamine Proprietary Blend1,590mg*
L-Leucine, L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate, Choline Bitartrate, L-Theanine, Ferula Asafoetida (seed) Extract (95% Ferulic Acid)

Caffeine Anhydrous125mg

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Just like I thought, it's been neutered. No thanks.
 
machinehead said:
Serving Size : 1 Scoop (2.9 g)
Servings Per Container: 84

Serving % DV
Alphamine Proprietary Blend 1,590mg *
L-Leucine, L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate, Choline Bitartrate, L-Theanine, Ferula Asafoetida (seed) Extract (95% Ferulic Acid)

Caffeine Anhydrous 125mg

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Good God that is pathetic

Caffeine and some BCAAs

The only thing I can accurately compare this to is when Bruce Jenner became a woman
 
machinehead said:
Serving Size : 1 Scoop (2.9 g)
Servings Per Container: 84

Serving % DV
Alphamine Proprietary Blend 1,590mg *
L-Leucine, L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate, Choline Bitartrate, L-Theanine, Ferula Asafoetida (seed) Extract (95% Ferulic Acid)

Caffeine Anhydrous 125mg

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Cant lie... It sucks to see no hica either...
 
machinehead said:
Serving Size : 1 Scoop (2.9 g)
Servings Per Container: 84

Serving% DV
Alphamine Proprietary Blend1,590mg*
L-Leucine, L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate, Choline Bitartrate, L-Theanine, Ferula Asafoetida (seed) Extract (95% Ferulic Acid)

Caffeine Anhydrous125mg

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Wow, I am completely underwhelmed
 
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