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Chad`s 5 step program to being a monster. Step 3: TREN

thesinner said:
No sense taking the risk when you've got safer and just as effective alternatives.
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see thats the thing. i read that anadrol is the "the" strongest steroid. even stronger than tren. i would love to see if thats true but dont want to lose my liver over it. couldn`t i just take cycle support?
 
aaahhhaaaaa so its not for a cut.... well theres still other alternatives that are damn strong. just really gotta weigh out the benifits to sides apects.
 
woudnt be a bad choice n your liver would be a little happier with your decision, but youd still want to run a lil liver support along the way. :thumbsup:
 
oh i forgot to tell you all about my back workout yesterday.
SICK SICK SICK!!!!!
6 caps of RPN was the magic number. good pre workout meals and lots of water.
i was at the gym over two hours and killing it the whole time. at least 50 sets of back and bi. was doing drop sets from 70-15 of DB curls. after that got some water and did BB rows with 225. and that was at the VERY END of the workout.
my upper back is sore today. that never happens.
im about 3 weeks off cycle and have dropped to 264 so i should be like 255 by the time i start my EPI/3AD/SD summer cycle.
 
well i cant say from experience but from what ive read its still a mean strength builder so id guess 8 or 9.... any seasoned users out there?
 
Chad said:
see thats the thing. i read that anadrol is the "the" strongest steroid. even stronger than tren. i would love to see if thats true but dont want to lose my liver over it. couldn`t i just take cycle support?
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Though the liver-detoxifying effects of silybin are fairly documented, it would be niave to assume that they would cancel eachother out.
 
ok well i read a few more things about anadrol and yes its super powerful and adds mass and strength like no other it has far too many sides for me to deal with. i read it makes you feel like $hit the whole time you are on it and thats just no fun.
i still want to hit 290lbs and i think TEST+TREN+DBOL will do the trick. i peaked at like 273lbs with just TRen.
 
depends, if your prone to est sides then maybe but then your gains wont be AS wet wich is due mostly to tha aromatization into est from the dbol, if anything id take a low dose AI along the way instead, preferably something that doesnt carry a lot of toxicity like nolva since youll already be doin a bit of a number with the dbols.
 
According to Dr.D, anything over 600mg/week of Test requires an AI. Try 250mcg/d (.25mg) of Letro. Though if you really go as high as you posted, maybe more like 500mcg/d. Start small, and increase as needed. Less is more in this case.
 
thesinner said:
Though the liver-detoxifying effects of silybin are fairly documented, it would be niave to assume that they would cancel eachother out.
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silymarin (standardized milk thistle)? i know it wont completely cancel it out but cycle support also has NAC and many other ingredients known to help detoxify and support liver lipid values and cholesterol. if taken a week or 2 before and NO drinking is done you can get a head start on the toxic supplement and hinder its damage significantly while ON then when its continued afterwards it will speed up regeneration and restoring liver values. its def worth it IMO.
 
supersoldier said:
According to Dr.D, anything over 600mg/week of Test requires an AI. Try 250mcg/d (.25mg) of Letro. Though if you really go as high as you posted, maybe more like 500mcg/d. Start small, and increase as needed. Less is more in this case.
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yeah i really want to go balls to the wall on this cycle in the fall. 290lbs is the least i want to weigh.
so the letro will help with the test and dbol right?
 
poopypants said:
silymarin (standardized milk thistle)? i know it wont completely cancel it out but cycle support also has NAC and many other ingredients known to help detoxify and support liver lipid values and cholesterol. if taken a week or 2 before and NO drinking is done you can get a head start on the toxic supplement and hinder its damage significantly while ON then when its continued afterwards it will speed up regeneration and restoring liver values. its def worth it IMO.
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I'm not saying that I recommend liver supports. What I am saying is that people shouldn't get the impression that "Oh, I'm taking milk thistle, so it's all good." It's to be used as a safety precaution and NOT a solution to the problem.
 
thesinner said:
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I'm not saying that I recommend liver supports. What I am saying is that people shouldn't get the impression that "Oh, I'm taking milk thistle, so it's all good." It's to be used as a safety precaution and NOT a solution to the problem.
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very much agreed, nothing can stop everything from happening all together and blood tests are a must when dealing with known toxic chems specially if ran for an extended duration..... now i gotta read up on your link

edit: oh so its basically an extact of an extract..... ok.
 
Chad said:
yes you are weird. do you have long arms or short arms?
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I'm about 6'6. My arms hinder me in pressing movements. I'm lucky to even get 315.

My strengths have always been back and Bi's. Deadlifts are good. Squats are average. Bench is subpar IMO.
 
i felt like ass today so i did legs instead of chest. plus my chest could use a 4 day rest.
i haven`t done a "leg day" in over 2 months. i work my calfs out every week but never do anything for my quads or hammies. it hurts so bad getting back into leg workouts. i felt like throwing up. another thing i didnt like was that i got a sharp stabing pain in my lower abs while doing squats. no sir i didnt like it. but as much as i hate doing legs and abs they are important to having a strong over all body. puls having tree trunks for legs will help me hit that 290 mark.
 
Chad said:
i felt like ass today so i did legs instead of chest. plus my chest could use a 4 day rest.
i haven`t done a "leg day" in over 2 months. i work my calfs out every week but never do anything for my quads or hammies. it hurts so bad getting back into leg workouts. i felt like throwing up. another thing i didnt like was that i got a sharp stabing pain in my lower abs while doing squats. no sir i didnt like it. but as much as i hate doing legs and abs they are important to having a strong over all body. puls having tree trunks for legs will help me hit that 290 mark.
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i feel ya there.... i just force myself through my almost puking leg workouts cause i know the rest of my body will benifit from it..... doesnt help much on the ****ty days.
 
after a long talk with CrAZy oTTeR.........
we be rollin wit ANADROL!!!!!!!!!
why? cause FCUK IT!!! :head: :head:
 
chad is running drol....you know im going to have to take it now too right?

youll be slammin down those 110's like youre from another planet or the amazon. juice up or shut up. saluu alpha male biceps as big as a black guy down under roid monkey for life.

tell when when youre bulking so i can show you how its supposed to be done.

where is that crazy otter character btw? i hear he was also a fan of the good ol' trenbolone.
 
jomi822 said:
chad is running drol....you know im going to have to take it now too right?

youll be slammin down those 110's like youre from another planet or the amazon. juice up or shut up. saluu alpha male biceps as big as a black guy down under roid monkey for life.

tell when when youre bulking so i can show you how its supposed to be done.

where is that crazy otter character btw? i hear he was also a fan of the good ol' trenbolone.
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LOL. yeah bro we`ll bulk it up the same time with drol.
JUICE UP OR SHUT UP!!! hahahaha. thats right. :hammer:
otter is keeping on the DL for the most part. but otter be fishin from time to time.
im still not sure what ill run the mg`s at a day. would 100mg ed be too much for my first swing?:think:
 
Chad said:
LOL. yeah bro we`ll bulk it up the same time with drol.
JUICE UP OR SHUT UP!!! hahahaha. thats right. :hammer:
otter is keeping on the DL for the most part. but otter be fishin from time to time.
im still not sure what ill run the mg`s at a day. would 100mg ed be too much for my first swing?:think:
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here read this and make an educated decision....(if you really want to be lazy and not learn as much just skip to the end and look at the suggested dosing) it would be wise to follow this and not say, well hey this guy SAYS to take this much so ill take a lil more... im certain youll do INSANE on just the rec bro

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poopypants said:
here read this and make an educated decision....(if you really want to be lazy and not learn as much just skip to the end and look at the suggested dosing) it would be wise to follow this and not say, well hey this guy SAYS to take this much so ill take a lil more... im certain youll do INSANE on just the rec bro

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i read the WHOLE thing. lol. yeah it sounds really bad but i have heard from more than a few people that i should use it. i did M1t and superdrol before and didnt get any sides really. i know this is a much stronger steroid but i think i can hang. if not ill just feed the rest of the bottle to my hampster.:icon_lol:
 
Try 75mg. Take the lowest dose that works man! In fact, start at 50 the first wk, go to 75 in wk 2 and hold that as long as you can. Probably bump to 100mg by wk 4 or 5. It's brutal on the water retention, especially stacking test.
 
i think hes gonna run tren too... now will that help with water retention??? what about the progestinic effects of tren and anadrols estrodiol effects?? will that just spell out g-y-n-o?

i read that many will run the test and drol the first 4-6 and when drol is dropped THEN they add the tren for the last 4-6 weeks. whats your take on this D?
 
heres an addendum to the big cat profile i found posted in an anadrol thread here that may alleviate some worries... although notice he actually doesnt suggest either.... still these 2 are awesome mass builders (drol/dbol)

Big Cat said:
Ok, first of all, I would like to personally correct myself and my profile here. I no longer recommend Dbol over Anadrol. I don't actually recommend either, but anadrol is definitely a better product. What I said however is still accurate, mg per mg dbol does usually lead to bigger gains, 50 mg of dbol having more effect than 50 mg of anadrol.

But anadrol is clearly a better product. First of all, don't use either without combining with at least testosterone and/or another potent androgen. Neither exerts any mentionable androgenic effect, so it would be stupid to ommit an androgen that would be highly synergistic. Both these drugs exert their anabolism through their estrogenic effects. But Dbol does by conversion ti 17-alpha-methyl-estradiol, and anadrol does so by directly binding the estrogen receptor. That makes anadrol's effects much more reliable and dose-dependent, and unlike with 17AA estradiol, anadrol cannot convert to less positive estrogens like estrone.

In muscle, estradiol receptor agonists can activate skeletal muscle RAS. RAS stands for renin-angiotensin system whereby renin converts angiotensigogen to angiotensin I and Angiotensin Converting enzyme (ACE) converts AngI to AngII. AngII then works on two receptors, the AT1 receptor being the most relevant here, the AT2 has slight inhibitory properties.

The work of Jones and Woodward on skeletal muscle RAS clearly portrays a role for AngII in muscle hypertrophy, not only leading to direct anabolic effects in regards to muscular hypertrophy and strength gains, but also long term in terms of fiber-type switching. RAS activation leads to more Type IIb muscle fibers that are more prone to explosive strength gains and faster hypertrophic response. So these low-androgenic, high estrogenic drugs not only augment hypertrophy, but also what type of hypertrophy and will eventually speed up future muscle gain.

Estrogen's, and especially anadrol then, will activate RAS in a dose-dependent manner. This is quite evident from the dose-dependent increase in RAS-specific side-effects such as increased water retention (through RAS mediated aldosterone release), increase blood pressure (throug AngII and aldosterone) and headaches (as a result of the hypertension). Having said that, I have also adressed the major negatives of these drugs.

In conclusion :

- I recommend neither anadrol or dbol
- I would only use them in combo with a strong androgen (test and/or tren)
- Dbol is stronger mg for mg, but anadrol is the better drug
- Both these drugs, and anadrol being the better, bring specific problems with them such as hypertension and water retention

On a side note, water retention and hypertension can be reduced but not completely abolished, with specific aldosterone inhibitors, such as eplenorone (not sure on spelling).

And estrogens also have other anabolic effects, but only for RAS activation can we assume they are dose-responsive.

Gains from these products, directly at least, are very hard to keep. But gains from Drol are more maintainable than those of Dbol. They will however result in better and more keepable gains in future cycles due to increased fiber-type switching. The opposite is true for anti-estrogen fanatics. You are probably not just paying more for something you quite likely don't even need, you are shooting yourself in the foot and actually paying more for less gains. Anti-e's should only be used in people particularly prone to estrogenic sides (an absolute minority, most can tolerate 750 mg of test a week without signs of gyno) and when you do, opt for a SERM rather than an anti-aromatase.
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poopypants said:
heres an addendum to the big cat profile i found posted in an anadrol thread here that may alleviate some worries... although notice he actually doesnt suggest either.... still these 2 are awesome mass builders (drol/dbol)
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:aargh: :aargh: :aargh: :aargh: :aargh: :aargh:

why are there so many pro`s and con`s!!!!!!!!!
i change my mind like 10 times a day about this!
 
poopypants said:
i think hes gonna run tren too... now will that help with water retention??? what about the progestinic effects of tren and anadrols estrodiol effects?? will that just spell out g-y-n-o?

i read that many will run the test and drol the first 4-6 and when drol is dropped THEN they add the tren for the last 4-6 weeks. whats your take on this D?
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I never had the estro sides with Anadrol like other people talk about. The real problems are the pissy mood, oily skin and bloat. Never got gyno with it either, no matter what I was stacking, but I never exceeded 75mg. Sometimes I would even start at 12.5mg, but 25 is for sure enough the first wk. Even using 150mg TA/day, never had an issue stacking Anadrol with it, but 0.1-0.25mg letro/d is still good insurance IMO.

As far as diuretics, I would only do them on the w/e when I could be at home and pee every 30min all day! 10-20mg Lasix 2 or 3 times Saturday and again Sunday would dry you out well, then you'd have to do it again by next w/e. Always take potassium with each dose of Diuretic! 2g potassium gluconate 3x/day minimum.
 
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