GQdaLEGEND
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Not yet .. thinking end of this month .. picked up 2 bottles
Need to get some cycle assist & mtest for pct and hopefully anabolic effect from cel will be out by then
Unanswered CEL Stano-Plex 300 Intro
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Not yet .. thinking end of this month .. picked up 2 bottles
Need to get some cycle assist & mtest for pct and hopefully anabolic effect from cel will be out by then
jalfrey
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Swiped it from the OP
DEVANS89
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It’s interesting to read about people not using clomid/nolva
And I guess it’s true you can get bunk sarms/pros etc but what’s stopping you getting bunk clomid/nolva
And you know i hadn’t ever really thought about it.
But like anything these days there is risk with most things.
And I guess it’s true you can get bunk sarms/pros etc but what’s stopping you getting bunk clomid/nolva
And you know i hadn’t ever really thought about it.
But like anything these days there is risk with most things.
sns8778
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I was confused for a minute because it was in the original post haha.
GQdaLEGEND
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I picked up 2 bottles for $78 .. solid 8 week cycle .
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jalfrey
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Me too! Helluva deal! Can't wait to get started. Maybe, just maybe, I'll see more than my top two abs by Labor Day after all
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TommyTuffGuy
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This product is a walking boner. Both of the ingredients will have you thinking you have someone else's dink.
GQdaLEGEND
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Bc of july4 .. extra 5% is added .. so now it’s 15% of stano
Comes to $73.58 now for 2 bottles .. lowest I’ve seen.
Ricky10
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You could do that. Personally though, I think I would rather focus my efforts on contacting someone I want to have sex with!
sns8778
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Ha. True. I thought about making girlfriend be plural or saying something like u did but have to try to be somewhat pc now days since I’m with the company haha.
GQdaLEGEND
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Be aware : will make pulling out harder on this stack lol
bosskardo
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Yep, good doses.
I've only seen 1 product with 300mg epi before. Don't you just hate stuff that wastes capsule space? 50mg epi and similar absolutely make me furious.
GQdaLEGEND
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And the worst thing is those 50mg companies sell it at the same price point as cel does for 300mg
stopstalking
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sns8778
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Stano-Plex 300 + Anabolic Effect + M-Test
(Epi-Plex is an option to add depending on budget)
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Blowby
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If I was to run stano plex, anabolic effect, and m test how would I dose it? Run stano and anabolic effect together and then m test as my pct? Or run all together and use pct assist afterwards? Thanks for the help guys I appreciate it. I ran a product with vaso 6 before and really enjoyed it so I am looking forward to trying these out!
Ripple2352
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Are the "concerns" with Stano/DHT and the prostate overblown or valid? I'm finding a ton of conflicting research online and the picture is no more clear than when I started to research. I have no prostate issues that I'm aware of, but I'm 37yo and dont want to "rush anything along" by using something that could create issues.
Some of what I read seem to indicate it's a rather large issue, other things I've read indicate that theres no issue whatsoever, and even others have pointed to androgen therapy as reducing prostate issues. I want to say I read somewhere that the real issue with the prostate is an over abundance of estrogen, and not actually DHT. With DHT potentially acting as an estrogen blocker is any of this a real concern?
Mind boggling the conflicting information out there. Even if someone could point me in a direction that helps to paint a more clear picture would be appreciated!!
Some of what I read seem to indicate it's a rather large issue, other things I've read indicate that theres no issue whatsoever, and even others have pointed to androgen therapy as reducing prostate issues. I want to say I read somewhere that the real issue with the prostate is an over abundance of estrogen, and not actually DHT. With DHT potentially acting as an estrogen blocker is any of this a real concern?
Mind boggling the conflicting information out there. Even if someone could point me in a direction that helps to paint a more clear picture would be appreciated!!
sns8778
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This issue has been beat to death. No information came out; a competitor accused them of that being the case and it's a private legal matter between the parties involved.
If you have a particular extract derived from Green Tea, if I send your product to the lab and don't know what specifics to ask to be tested for, it's going to test out as Green Tea because it is from Green Tea. Think of it like this - if you have a specialized extract of a certain type of Divanil from Stinging Nettle, if I send yours to a lab and test for Stinging Nettle, it will test positive for Stinging Nettle because it is Stinging Nettle. If I don't know the specifics on your specialized extract, I can't request it be tested for because I don't know it. Now sure, I could put you on the spot with the accusation that it's just regular Stinging Nettle, which then puts you in the spot that to defend yourself you may need to reveal the specifics of your specialized extract. Bottom line: When branded ingredient companies sue one another, it's for competitive and financial reasons and its best to let them handle that between themselves.
(Plus I don't doubt that there are companies using regular Green Tea and selling it as VASO6 because VASO6 is so expensive).
VASO6 has a ton of great feedback on it and many people love it. Most anyone that's tried it knows that from the sheer perspective of results that its not regular green tea. Regular green tea doesn't give you pumps and improve erection quality and these are very commonly associated with VASO6.
Even if you believe in all the controversy and aren't a fan of VASO6, even without it it is still the most cost effective Epiandrosterone product on the market.
sns8778
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That's a tough one to give a precise answer to because as you said, some of the things originally blamed on DHT are now thought to have more to do with estrogen than DHT. Epiandrosterone has been around for a long time and I don't recall ever seeing anyone say they've had prostate issues with it.
Overall, I would say that as with anything else like this, make sure that you use Cycle Assist along with it.
sns8778
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Stano-Plex 300 - 1 capsule twice per day (advanced users can use 3 caps per day)
Anabolic Effect - 3 capsules twice per day.
M-Test - 3 caps twice per day
Cycle Assist - 4 caps twice per day
PCT:
M-Test - 3 caps twice per day
Cycle Assist - 4 caps twice per day
PCT Assist - 2 caps twice per day (if desired)
M-Test can be taken on cycle and during PCT if you'd like. Some people may opt for using it in PCT and not on the cycle but I think M-Test is a great test base for the cycle.
I think VASO6 is a great addition to Epiandrosterone and that this will produce some interesting and awesome effects.
BillD
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I’ve actually enjoyed Vaso 6...only asked because of all the BS I was reading about it being garbage.
Tommywantwingy
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From my limited understanding of the subject matter, their are two types of estrogen receptors alpha and beta. Activation of the alpha receptor is responsible for a decrease in androgen production which may turn contribute significantly to the genesis of benign prostatic hyperplasia and prostate dysplasia. Estrogen receptor beta seems to inhibit this.
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You could take an estrogen receptor beta agonist but most natural compounds that act on B also act on A. (apigenin may be the best natural since it activates A and B but needs a much larger concentration to activate A).
When you take epiandrosterone if it is converted into DHT technically a rise in DHT should lead to an increase in
3β-Androstanediol which is believed to down regulate HTPA axis. However 3β-Androstanediol is a potent agonist of ERB. Therefore I would think prostate issues would not be a problem. I think kickstarting you own test production is the bigger issue.
Mind you I am no expert.
Ripple2352
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Awesome, thanks for that. It actually lines up and makes some sense with some of the other stuff I read.
What do you mean that "kickstarting your own test production is the bigger issue"? For the sake of clarity are you just referring to in PCT?
GQdaLEGEND
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I love vaso6 but yes have been reading bad stuff about it once glycerpump came out
But if it works .. I will keep using it
GQdaLEGEND
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I love vaso6 but yes have been reading bad stuff about it once glycerpump came out
But if it works .. I will keep using it
Tommywantwingy
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Any DHEA metabolite or substance that increases testosterone or dht in your body will cause a suppression of your own production. Suppressed over a length of time will your body rebound to the levels it once produced?
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heavylifter33
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I ordered 2 bottles from DPS, on the way now but it will take 3 weeks to get here (deployed). Thinking of running a log, maybe, my workouts are kinda weird though, like 2-3 strength days plus 2-3 HIIT days with the SF boys. Might be good programming to see the benefits on both strength and endurance/exercise performance. I've got Inhibit-E and Erase Pro on hand if needed, and Clomid.
TommyTuffGuy
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I have an idea of how Stano would work due to taking similiar products in the past, so I'm going to hold off and do a M-Test/Anabolic Effect stack first, probably 2 bottles of each. Then after I might go full potato and add in the Stano.
Raw Dog
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I know cycle support is a fantastic product, but with liver toxicity not being a concern was wondering if anyone knew of a good support supplement without NAC in it? I would think something with saw Palmetto extract + a bit of cardio support should be sufficient correct? Having trouble finding a good product and buying each item separate is looking to be quite expensive
GQdaLEGEND
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That’s a solid plan .. I’m thinking of reversing it and do Stano-Plex + AE then throw in mtest
Either way gonna be fun months ahead in gym.
Now SNS dropped the stress & anxiety product too .. so gonna be zoned in and test it out thruly
GQdaLEGEND
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I saw a thread stating that Nac hinders gains .. need to research more
But people have been running nac since late 90s when all the superdrol, epi, halo all the hardcore stuff was out there and never really experienced loss of gains on it ..
Do u know what dosage study was done on ?
I have used cycle assist along with my gym buddies for years with no issues .. think ima keep using it
There was a whole don’t use milk thistle back in the day and that died out
Is that why you don’t want to use NAC ? Or other personal reasons ?
sns8778
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I think you're better off with Cycle Assist.
If you're referring to the thread on NAC hindering gains, bodybuilders and consumers have been using NAC since the 90's after AAS cycles, prohormone cycles, etc.
_Endure_
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...because no one has ever made gains using NAC all these years 
. The things that get nit picked sometimes are amazing.
Just don’t tell it to the other thread where nac is now the most catabolic compound in existence. you shouldn’t be more worried about your nutrition, sleep, training, staples, and dozens of other things sans the fact that nac has great benefits, just ignore all that.
. The things that get nit picked sometimes are amazing. Just don’t tell it to the other thread where nac is now the most catabolic compound in existence. you shouldn’t be more worried about your nutrition, sleep, training, staples, and dozens of other things sans the fact that nac has great benefits, just ignore all that.
Raw Dog
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...because no one has ever made gains using NAC all these years. The things that get nit picked sometimes are amazing.
Just don’t tell it to the other thread where nac is now the most catabolic compound in existence. you shouldn’t be more worried about your nutrition, sleep, training, staples, and dozens of other things sans the fact that nac has great benefits, just ignore all that.
. The things that get nit picked sometimes are amazing. I am really not a fan of that argument, I get what you’re saying and I’m not saying that you can’t gain on NAC. I have friends who are alcoholics and also in great shape, that doesn’t mean that their results wouldn’t be better if they weren’t alcoholics.
My logic was that if I don’t NEED liver support, and that nac MAY be slightly counter intuitive to my goals, then why take it? Admittedly I’m not an expert in the subject, but people that are more knowledgeable here than I am have pointed out a couple of studies to me that suggest that this could potentially be the case. I love to be proven wrong though as that only means that I am learning.
Aside from that (not that I would ask you to waste your time checking) my post history shows that I’ve always been a huge fan of NAC as a noot. In fact, this has easily been my second favorite noot (agmatine number one) and the most effective ingredient I’ve ever used in terms of treating anxiety and depression symptoms. Without it I don’t even know if I would have been able to find and fix the root causes. I recommend it on here pretty regularly.
Either way I’m likely going to use cycle support anyway, as it is a very comprehensive and cost effective solution and with CEL/SNS I do trust that I am consuming what is on the label. Was just curious if anyone had any other recommendations.
Also I had a few to drink tonight so sorry for rambling there
GQdaLEGEND
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It’s very easy to stack this .. would stack well with either or
Your comparing sarm to a ph(ds) .. for more hardcore/more gains I would say hexadrone would be nice