CEL M-Test, Anabolic Effect Stack

[sns8778]

Thank you!! You and @GQdaLEGEND went above and beyond and answered all of my questions and then some. You guys are truly awesome, and great people. I had so much success with this stack, I’ll be back for more CEL and SNS products. My doctor couldn’t believe the difference this year compared to last year, truly remarkable. Since when the trio ended in early May, I’ve been hovering around 195-200lb, the same weight, and have not lost any strength. I’ve actually increased some PRs. After the trio ended I ran 2 bottles of EPG testoshred with epi plex, only complaint is joint soreness because of Arimistane. Just running epi plex now, on my third bottle, love it. Thanks again

That's awesome. I'm glad that you and your doctor both were pleased with your progress and results.

I'm glad that you like Epi-Plex as well. I use it as a daily use supplement year round. It has such great performance enhancement benefits that sometimes people overlook the great overall health benefits from it as well.

Over the next few months, we will have a lot of really cool new natural anabolics and muscle building products coming out that you can incorporate into different stacks if you'd like as well. Here are just a few I can think of:
- SNS Phosphatidic Acid XT
- SNS Recomp 20
- SNS Anabolic XT
- SNS Daily Use Ergogenic Muscle Builder (flavored powder so no clue on ETA yet)
- 3 new natural anabolic formulas under CEL that will be spaced out after SNS Anabolic XT

It should hopefully be a really exciting rest of the year as long as things go well. The biggest thing is we just need to do a better job at marketing and spreading the word and letting more people know about SNS and CEL.

 

[TheMrMuscle]

That's awesome. I'm glad that you and your doctor both were pleased with your progress and results.

I'm glad that you like Epi-Plex as well. I use it as a daily use supplement year round. It has such great performance enhancement benefits that sometimes people overlook the great overall health benefits from it as well.

Over the next few months, we will have a lot of really cool new natural anabolics and muscle building products coming out that you can incorporate into different stacks if you'd like as well. Here are just a few I can think of:
- SNS Phosphatidic Acid XT
- SNS Recomp 20
- SNS Anabolic XT
- SNS Daily Use Ergogenic Muscle Builder (flavored powder so no clue on ETA yet)
- 3 new natural anabolic formulas under CEL that will be spaced out after SNS Anabolic XT

It should hopefully be a really exciting rest of the year as long as things go well. The biggest thing is we just need to do a better job at marketing and spreading the word and letting more people know about SNS and CEL.

Ive told my kids no birthday presents for them this year, daddy needs to save up for SNS and CEL releases!

 

[aman88]

You don't get banned for sharing true experiences. Well, some companies may report and complain about that but I never do. You very frequently will see me say that different things work different for different people. M-Test works great for libido for most people, but as with anything, there may be a person here and there that it doesn't. And if you fall into that category, you may want to try the upcoming Optimize-T when it comes out. It's a completely different ingredient setup than M-Test. It can be stacked with M-Test for people that like it, or used as an alternative to people that don't.

And when is this due to come out? Lol

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

Ive told my kids no birthday presents for them this year, daddy needs to save up for SNS and CEL releases!

presents are overrated .. i take my 2 year kid to $1 store and he is the happiest kid there picking out hot wheels cars lol

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

Thank you!! You and @GQdaLEGEND went above and beyond and answered all of my questions and then some. You guys are truly awesome, and great people. I had so much success with this stack, I’ll be back for more CEL and SNS products. My doctor couldn’t believe the difference this year compared to last year, truly remarkable. Since when the trio ended in early May, I’ve been hovering around 195-200lb, the same weight, and have not lost any strength. I’ve actually increased some PRs. After the trio ended I ran 2 bottles of EPG testoshred with epi plex, only complaint is joint soreness because of Arimistane. Just running epi plex now, on my third bottle, love it. Thanks again

no problem .. always here to help

thats awesome to hear that doctor was impressed, like SNS stated alot more supplements coming that will give you more options to go back & forth between sups and continue to make strides toward your goals

 

[sns8778]

And when is this due to come out? Lol

Optimize-T will be out in the next few weeks

 

[wannabestrong]

I’m not sure if it’s actual strength gains or just more confidence in my lifts lol…. But I was at a huge plateau and now I’m crushing my PRs. I hit 270x7 for bench when I was normally stuck at 240x8. Crazy.

Thats about it though but I’m only 2 and a half weeks into the M-Test, AE stack.

 

[sns8778]

I’m not sure if it’s actual strength gains or just more confidence in my lifts lol…. But I was at a huge plateau and now I’m crushing my PRs. I hit 270x7 for bench when I was normally stuck at 240x8. Crazy.

Thats about it though but I’m only 2 and a half weeks into the M-Test, AE stack.

That's awesome. Congratulations.

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

I’m not sure if it’s actual strength gains or just more confidence in my lifts lol…. But I was at a huge plateau and now I’m crushing my PRs. I hit 270x7 for bench when I was normally stuck at 240x8. Crazy.

Thats about it though but I’m only 2 and a half weeks into the M-Test, AE stack.

oh wow thats awesome ..congrats bro

yeah its hard to say in 2.5weeks in.. hopefully kicking in for you .. supps + your hard work .. i think in another 2-3 weeks you will see more strength hopefully

 

[JD284]

oh wow thats awesome ..congrats bro

yeah its hard to say in 2.5weeks in.. hopefully kicking in for you .. supps + your hard work .. i think in another 2-3 weeks you will see more strength hopefully

yeah I usually notice them right around the end of the first bottle, same goes with epi and stano too.

 

[sns8778]

I’m not sure if it’s actual strength gains or just more confidence in my lifts lol…. But I was at a huge plateau and now I’m crushing my PRs. I hit 270x7 for bench when I was normally stuck at 240x8. Crazy.

Thats about it though but I’m only 2 and a half weeks into the M-Test, AE stack.

That's a great result.

As for the timing, different things kick in at different speeds for different people. It's likely a combination of the supplements and an increase in your confidence like you said above; but either way, congratulations, that's awesome. And the great thing is that with the stack you're running, it should keep getting better over time.

 

[fitwitlit]

So I'm at a point in my journey (29) where I've gained 30 pounds of muscle (some fat in the ab area but I'm pretty lean for the most part). I currently way 190-192ish and I'm 6'1.

Anyway I wanted to dabble in some stuff to give me an edge without going all the way to prohormones and came across CEL M-Stack and Anabolic Effect. I plan on running them both together 8 weeks on 4 weeks off. Is this recommended?

I see people here talking highly of it, but I can't really find other forums that talk about it. Does this stuff really work or is it just all hype? Like idk if you guys are paid sponsors or something lol, but like 99% of the people on here SWEAR by it. Can someone confirm to me what I can expect on these? Thanks in advance!

I originally tried this when it first came on scene and talked it over n over to peers. Great libido, energy, and felt more alpha... and then sadly after 2nd bottle I experienced bilateral sharp kidney pain with normal blood pressure and modest protein intake. I ceased taking and pain resolved in 2-3days. After further research i stumbled upon:
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Fadogia Which like bulbine natalensis, delivers results, but also appears toxic longer term.

 

[wannabestrong]

I originally tried this when it first came on scene and talked it over n over to peers. Great libido, energy, and felt more alpha... and then sadly after 2nd bottle I experienced bilateral sharp kidney pain with normal blood pressure and modest protein intake. I ceased taking and pain resolved in 2-3days. After further research i stumbled upon:
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Fadogia Which like bulbine natalensis, delivers results, but also appears toxic longer term.

Whoa. Haven’t had any effects like that yet but again I’m only 2 and a half weeks in. Can anyone that has been using this for over a month chime in on this?

 

[TheMrMuscle]

I just got week 20 of using M-Test and no issues here. Besides the positives of increased recovery, strength, power and libido.

 

[fitwitlit]

I just got week 20 of using M-Test and no issues here. Besides the positives of increased recovery, strength, power and libido.

Yeah seems to be the normal review...I just wanted to share my unique experience w/it. ..I haven't looked at it in a minute..does current formula still contain Fadogia? I doubt they dropped it since it delivers results. Unfortunately, not with out sides for me...

 

[sns8778]

Whoa. Haven’t had any effects like that yet but again I’m only 2 and a half weeks in. Can anyone that has been using this for over a month chime in on this?

You have nothing to worry about. The issue with Fadogia was beat to death and debated about back to before M-Test ever came out. And it was universally agreed that basically ever knowledgeable person involved in the discussions that Fadogia is safe to take.

In today's world, you can find a study to support almost anything you want to say and you can also slant one to mean whatever you want it to mean.

There are many people, including myself that run M-Test year round as a daily use supplement and never had any issues with it.
Just like there are people that use other Fadogia supplements that don't have any issues with them.

I'm a great example of Fadogia in regards to bloodwork. As many here know, I have an autoimmune and endocrinology condition that I have to get bloodwork for approximately ever 8 weeks. The reason that I started using M-Test daily was because my free testosterone levels improved on it so much when I had my initial bloodwork that my doctor had me come off of it to see and they went back down. He had me start again and they went back up again. At that point, my endocrinologist (who is very anti-supplement) told me to continue to take it regularly because my free testosterone levels were great and we hadn't been able to replicate that even with some of the prescriptions they'd tried me on. The bloodwork I have ran for my condition is very comprehensive and includes hormone levels, PSA, liver enzymes, inflammation markers, etc. and I've never had any issues.
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Just for the sake of investigation, let's examine the 'study' and I put study in quotation marks because it has some very glaring flaws.

It's easy for people to take a study out of context or use an extremely sloppy study to try to further a point of view that the researchers want to and this study is a great example of that.

1. This study was done on rodents, not people.
2. How many rodents was the study on?
3. How old were the rodents in the study?
4. What was the general physical health of the rodents in the study?
5. What was the actual purpose of the study?

#5 is very relevant because what was the researchers intention? In that were they objective or did they find what they were wanting to find; and the reason I ask that is because they sure did use the words 'might' and 'may' a whole lot in their abstract - so I would say that that alone is a reason to state that nothing was conclusive about their 'study'.

6. They used a 'aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis stem' - notice that they didn't specify which extract, what it was extracted or standardized for, etc. It also didn't state whether the study was done on Fadogia itself or on just the isolated extract - because if that was the case, that is completely different with any herb than what is actually used in real world dosing for anything.

7. Being that some of the things that they said that it 'might' or 'may' be responsible for are also some of the things that could be attributed to heavy metals testing and that there are other things that you would think would have been specified in studies that weren't addressed by them, its important to note that I didn't see anywhere where they tested for or addressed the possibility that their could have been some heavy metals contamination in the extracts that they used. (This was a big question mark when this study was first debated years ago).

Now, let's look at a couple of things that the study did say:

- Clinical toxicity symptoms such as respiratory distress, epistasis, salivation, hypo- and hyperactivity were not observed at any period of the experiment. Translation - no toxicity symptoms such as the ones mentioned above were shown.
- No mortality recorded.
- The liver and kidney body weight ratios of the extract-treated animals compared well (P > .05) with their controls throughout the experimental period.
- The extract did not cause any swelling, atrophy or hypertrophy of the organs
- Here is a direct quote - This might have resulted from peroxidation of the polyunsaturated fatty acids on the membranes of the hepatocytes and nephrons made possible by the functional groups or the product of metabolism of the extract.
- Here is another direct quote - This may be responsible for the compromise of the integrity of the plasma membranes of the hepatocytes and nephrons.

^^^ This seems very far from being conclusive of anything.

 

[50Magnum]

I’m not sure if it’s actual strength gains or just more confidence in my lifts lol…. But I was at a huge plateau and now I’m crushing my PRs. I hit 270x7 for bench when I was normally stuck at 240x8. Crazy.

Thats about it though but I’m only 2 and a half weeks into the M-Test, AE stack.

Are you on a bulk or been maintaining your weight? Wish I had those gains on AE or Mtest.......weights for me havent gone up but I also havent used these supps on a bulk before.

 

[wannabestrong]

Are you on a bulk or been maintaining your weight? Wish I had those gains on AE or Mtest.......weights for me havent gone up but I also havent used these supps on a bulk before.

I’m on a slight caloric surplus. About 3000 calories is maintenance for me (I’m about 190 before any food/water intake in the morning). I’m eating about 3,500 calories a day so 500 over.

I won’t lie my form wasn’t GREAT but still man I just feel stronger and I feel more confident putting more weight on. Have you tried stacking M-Test or AE together? Mixing the two could amplify some stuff I would imagine.

Edit: I should note that strength increase is the only thing I can say I’m feeling at this moment.

 

[wannabestrong]

You have nothing to worry about. The issue with Fadogia was beat to death and debated about back to before M-Test ever came out. And it was universally agreed that basically ever knowledgeable person involved in the discussions that Fadogia is safe to take.

In today's world, you can find a study to support almost anything you want to say and you can also slant one to mean whatever you want it to mean.

There are many people, including myself that run M-Test year round as a daily use supplement and never had any issues with it.
Just like there are people that use other Fadogia supplements that don't have any issues with them.

I'm a great example of Fadogia in regards to bloodwork. As many here know, I have an autoimmune and endocrinology condition that I have to get bloodwork for approximately ever 8 weeks. The reason that I started using M-Test daily was because my free testosterone levels improved on it so much when I had my initial bloodwork that my doctor had me come off of it to see and they went back down. He had me start again and they went back up again. At that point, my endocrinologist (who is very anti-supplement) told me to continue to take it regularly because my free testosterone levels were great and we hadn't been able to replicate that even with some of the prescriptions they'd tried me on. The bloodwork I have ran for my condition is very comprehensive and includes hormone levels, PSA, liver enzymes, inflammation markers, etc. and I've never had any issues.
------------------------------------------

Just for the sake of investigation, let's examine the 'study' and I put study in quotation marks because it has some very glaring flaws.

It's easy for people to take a study out of context or use an extremely sloppy study to try to further a point of view that the researchers want to and this study is a great example of that.

1. This study was done on rodents, not people.
2. How many rodents was the study on?
3. How old were the rodents in the study?
4. What was the general physical health of the rodents in the study?
5. What was the actual purpose of the study?

#5 is very relevant because what was the researchers intention? In that were they objective or did they find what they were wanting to find; and the reason I ask that is because they sure did use the words 'might' and 'may' a whole lot in their abstract - so I would say that that alone is a reason to state that nothing was conclusive about their 'study'.

6. They used a 'aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis stem' - notice that they didn't specify which extract, what it was extracted or standardized for, etc. It also didn't state whether the study was done on Fadogia itself or on just the isolated extract - because if that was the case, that is completely different with any herb than what is actually used in real world dosing for anything.

7. Being that some of the things that they said that it 'might' or 'may' be responsible for are also some of the things that could be attributed to heavy metals testing and that there are other things that you would think would have been specified in studies that weren't addressed by them, its important to note that I didn't see anywhere where they tested for or addressed the possibility that their could have been some heavy metals contamination in the extracts that they used. (This was a big question mark when this study was first debated years ago).

Now, let's look at a couple of things that the study did say:

- Clinical toxicity symptoms such as respiratory distress, epistasis, salivation, hypo- and hyperactivity were not observed at any period of the experiment. Translation - no toxicity symptoms such as the ones mentioned above were shown.
- No mortality recorded.
- The liver and kidney body weight ratios of the extract-treated animals compared well (P > .05) with their controls throughout the experimental period.
- The extract did not cause any swelling, atrophy or hypertrophy of the organs
- Here is a direct quote - This might have resulted from peroxidation of the polyunsaturated fatty acids on the membranes of the hepatocytes and nephrons made possible by the functional groups or the product of metabolism of the extract.
- Here is another direct quote - This may be responsible for the compromise of the integrity of the plasma membranes of the hepatocytes and nephrons.

^^^ This seems very far from being conclusive of anything.

Very informative. Thank you for taking the time out to educate me more on this!

 

[JD284]

Very informative. Thank you for taking the time out to educate me more on this!

Steve / sns is always soooo helpful. I’m a customer for life now. Great quality, great results. Although I keep missing the holiday sales.. is there one coming up for Labor Day?

 

[sns8778]

Very informative. Thank you for taking the time out to educate me more on this!

No problem at all. I'm glad to help in any way that I can.

 

[sns8778]

Steve / sns is always soooo helpful. I’m a customer for life now. Great quality, great results. Although I keep missing the holiday sales.. is there one coming up for Labor Day?

Thank you for the kind words. I really appreciate it.

As far as I know, we will do a sale for Labor Day but thats awhile away. I didn't know the date and you worried me at first haha; I thought it may have been sooner than I was thinking lol

 

[50Magnum]

I’m on a slight caloric surplus. About 3000 calories is maintenance for me (I’m about 190 before any food/water intake in the morning). I’m eating about 3,500 calories a day so 500 over.

I won’t lie my form wasn’t GREAT but still man I just feel stronger and I feel more confident putting more weight on. Have you tried stacking M-Test or AE together? Mixing the two could amplify some stuff I would imagine.

Edit: I should note that strength increase is the only thing I can say I’m feeling at this moment.

No I havent I tried running AE with M-test; I ran AE a second time recently but like the first I got lethargic from it; similar to Vector other than that I would of stayed on it because of the pumps I got from it. I would run Vector again but that **** makes me too tired. Its hard for me to workout when Im too tired and preworkout isnt doing ****(I also got a decent stim tolerance).

 

[sns8778]

No I havent I tried running AE with M-test; I ran AE a second time recently but like the first I got lethargic from it; similar to Vector other than that I would of stayed on it because of the pumps I got from it. I would run Vector again but that **** makes me too tired. Its hard for me to workout when Im too tired and preworkout isnt doing ****(I also got a decent stim tolerance).

I think its safe to say that for whatever reason you don't respond well to one of the ingredients but you're definitely in the minority there. Or as I've said before, you're literally the only person I've ever heard say that about it. Different things work different for different people, but after a certain point it seems like you're really trying to down the product. I'm sorry that it didn't work as you had hoped for you, but to keep going in threads downing it to other people that it is working well for kind of comes off wrong. Not saying you mean it that way, but that is the way it comes off.

For people that don't like Anabolic Effect or even for people that love it and want to stack other things with it or cycle it back and forth with other things, we have a lot of cool natural anabolic options coming out in the coming months.

 

[50Magnum]

I think its safe to say that for whatever reason you don't respond well to one of the ingredients but you're definitely in the minority there. Or as I've said before, you're literally the only person I've ever heard say that about it. Different things work different for different people, but after a certain point it seems like you're really trying to down the product. I'm sorry that it didn't work as you had hoped for you, but to keep going in threads downing it to other people that it is working well for kind of comes off wrong. Not saying you mean it that way, but that is the way it comes off.

For people that don't like Anabolic Effect or even for people that love it and want to stack other things with it or cycle it back and forth with other things, we have a lot of cool natural anabolic options coming out in the coming months.

I'm not downing the product to other people, he clearly asked me if I ran Anabolic Effect before with M-test and I told him I have not nor will I run AE with it because I tried it a second time and it made me tired(it is one of the ingredients could be eriobotrya japonica for me cause I have run products with Viscum and rehammanie extract seperately before). Doesn't mean it will do the same with others. If AE didn't make me tired to be honest I would run it again because it is cheap for the ingredient profile it provides. Clearly there are lots of people on AM that like Anabolic Effect and then there are a minority like me, someone did post that Vector made them lethargic so they are experiencing a side effect from an ingredient like me.

Btw if you seen any of my posts I will truthfully critique a product/supplement based on my experience not saying other people will have the same experience as I. I posted that certain ecdy products didnt do **** for me recently, but some people love them and get great gains from them. I also posted that Androgin didn't do **** for me besides some pumps and I got sides from taking that supplement which is why I stopped 3 weeks in. Massacr3 is another product I tried not too long again; the new Massacr3 and to be honest I didn't see much. There are a **** ton of products on here that people have raved about or currently rave about that I've tried and they were **** for me; some products work for others and some don't.

I'm running M-test right now currently ending my second week, will chime in on a thread probably one of these days after I'm done based on my experience. I just start Anacylus XT the other day because I've seen people rave about Anacylus going back to the Anabeta days. I am also running X-gels again since its been years even though I had tendinitis in my shoulder before. But had really good results with it the first time taking it, currently the pumps are very very good; better than any pump product ive taken in my life taking 5-6 caps. This time I'm dosing Joint Support XT 8-10 hours later just in case something flares up. I've probably purchased more than several products from CEL and SNS this year, AE is the only product I won't buy again simply because I get tired for 2-3 hours after taking it. Other than that most of the products I've tried in your product line have done me good. I'm def interested in seeing the ingredient profile in Anabolic XT.

 

[sns8778]

I'm not downing the product to other people, he clearly asked me if I ran Anabolic Effect before with M-test and I told him I have not nor will I run AE with it because I tried it a second time and it made me tired(it is one of the ingredients could be eriobotrya japonica for me cause I have run products with Viscum and rehammanie extract seperately before). Doesn't mean it will do the same with others. If AE didn't make me tired to be honest I would run it again because it is cheap for the ingredient profile it provides. Clearly there are lots of people on AM that like Anabolic Effect and then there are a minority like me, someone did post that Vector made them lethargic so they are experiencing a side effect from an ingredient like me.

Btw if you seen any of my posts I will truthfully critique a product/supplement based on my experience not saying other people will have the same experience as I. I posted that certain ecdy products didnt do **** for me recently, but some people love them and get great gains from them. I also posted that Androgin didn't do **** for me besides some pumps and I got sides from taking that supplement which is why I stopped 3 weeks in. Massacr3 is another product I tried not too long again; the new Massacr3 and to be honest I didn't see much. There are a **** ton of products on here that people have raved about or currently rave about that I've tried and they were **** for me; some products work for others and some don't.

I'm running M-test right now currently ending my second week, will chime in on a thread probably one of these days after I'm done based on my experience. I just start Anacylus XT the other day because I've seen people rave about Anacylus going back to the Anabeta days. I am also running X-gels again since its been years even though I had tendinitis in my shoulder before. But had really good results with it the first time taking it, currently the pumps are very very good; better than any pump product ive taken in my life taking 5-6 caps. This time I'm dosing Joint Support XT 8-10 hours later just in case something flares up. I've probably purchased more than several products from CEL and SNS this year, AE is the only product I won't buy again simply because I get tired for 2-3 hours after taking it. Other than that most of the products I've tried in your product line have done me good. I'm def interested in seeing the ingredient profile in Anabolic XT.

I agree that different things work different for different people. But please understand my side in that he was posting about a positive experience and you entered the thread with a comment about you wished it worked for you and you've made it in several places. I remember we discussed it before in a different thread and you explained that you weren't trying to put it down. But please understand from my side, I've actually gotten pm's from people back around the time of that conversation from people asking me why you kept putting it down which is what drew my attention to the comments to begin with.

There are a lot of products that work great for some people that don't work for me; but I don't go into positive threads on them and express negative comments about them bc I realize it could come off the wrong way.

I hope that you'll enjoy M-Test and I think it should make a great stack with Anacyclus XT so I hope that you'll enjoy that as well. And I'm glad that you're enjoying X-Gels; the pumps on it are great and very underrated.

I appreciate your support and am glad you're a fan of the products. And I am sorry that Anabolic Effect made you tired; I've had that happen to me on some things in the past.

I'm curious based off your generally not great response to many natural anabolics like you listed above if you'll like Anabolic XT as well. Hopefully we can find out soon

 

[aman88]

I agree that different things work different for different people. But please understand my side in that he was posting about a positive experience and you entered the thread with a comment about you wished it worked for you and you've made it in several places. I remember we discussed it before in a different thread and you explained that you weren't trying to put it down. But please understand from my side, I've actually gotten pm's from people back around the time of that conversation from people asking me why you kept putting it down which is what drew my attention to the comments to begin with.

There are a lot of products that work great for some people that don't work for me; but I don't go into positive threads on them and express negative comments about them bc I realize it could come off the wrong way.

I hope that you'll enjoy M-Test and I think it should make a great stack with Anacyclus XT so I hope that you'll enjoy that as well. And I'm glad that you're enjoying X-Gels; the pumps on it are great and very underrated.

I appreciate your support and am glad you're a fan of the products. And I am sorry that Anabolic Effect made you tired; I've had that happen to me on some things in the past.

I'm curious based off your generally not great response to many natural anabolics like you listed above if you'll like Anabolic XT as well. Hopefully we can find out soon

Stop teasing and get the products out lol...

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

Ive chatted with SNS with new anabolic and yea that looks very impressive .. i really hope people don't forget about Mtest & anabolic Effect .. esp AE as a natural muscle builder, think regardless of what comes out in the market this is one of the best natural product we have and is so well formulated and works great and can be run for 8-12 weeks

 

[aman88]

I just wan

Ive chatted with SNS with new anabolic and yea that looks very impressive .. i really hope people don't forget about Mtest & anabolic Effect .. esp AE as a natural muscle builder, think regardless of what comes out in the market this is one of the best natural product we have and is so well formulated and works great and can be run for 8-12 weeks

I want to know the ingredients and maybe I’ll add one into my 12 week run of m test, but I only have 6 weeks left.

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

I just wan

I want to know the ingredients and maybe I’ll add one into my 12 week run of m test, but I only have 6 weeks left.

i think that would make a great stack .. whenever you find deals on cel stash them away ..i have mtest stocked up for whole year lol

 

[sns8778]

I just wan

I want to know the ingredients and maybe I’ll add one into my 12 week run of m test, but I only have 6 weeks left.

Thank you for the excitement and the enthusiasm. We're working to get things out as fast as we can. We have to balance launching new products while also making sure to try to keep existing good sellers in stock; and there are just only x amount of hours for production runs in a week haha.

Even if they don't make it out in time to add into your M-Test run, hopefully you'll like the formulas and run them in the future.

 

[aman88]

Thank you for the excitement and the enthusiasm. We're working to get things out as fast as we can. We have to balance launching new products while also making sure to try to keep existing good sellers in stock; and there are just only x amount of hours for production runs in a week haha.

Even if they don't make it out in time to add into your M-Test run, hopefully you'll like the formulas and run them in the future.

Yeah chances are I would want to since your other products are good.

 

[sns8778]

Yeah chances are I would want to since your other products are good.

They're some really cool exciting things. I wish they could be out faster, but literally everything right now takes longer than its supposed to - from raw materials, longer waits at testing labs, bottle shortages, etc. The story of this year is work twice as much to get half as much as normal accomplished haha.

 

[Independent]

I just started a run of mtest last week, does anyone see an issue only running 4 caps a day? I'm 52 and just trying to optimize my low test levels (TT 367ng/dl, FT 41pg/ml). I need to get bloods done in 8 weeks for my cholesterol so I can check test levels again to see if the mtest is helping.

 

[sns8778]

I just started a run of mtest last week, does anyone see an issue only running 4 caps a day? I'm 52 and just trying to optimize my low test levels (TT 367ng/dl, FT 41pg/ml). I need to get bloods done in 8 weeks for my cholesterol so I can check test levels again to see if the mtest is helping.

I don't think it would hurt anything to run 4 capsules per day but I'm not sure why you would want to do less than the recommended dose if you're wanting the best results? Plus, think if you're really wanting to do bloodwork as a gauge, then it would be more of an accurate representation if using the suggested dose.

It's a daily use supplement for me and has been for a long time and is the best thing I've ever used as far as helping with my free testosterone levels. It also helps me a lot with libido, mood, and overall just feeling better.

 

[Independent]

I don't think it would hurt anything to run 4 capsules per day but I'm not sure why you would want to do less than the recommended dose if you're wanting the best results? Plus, think if you're really wanting to do bloodwork as a gauge, then it would be more of an accurate representation if using the suggested dose.

It's a daily use supplement for me and has been for a long time and is the best thing I've ever used as far as helping with my free testosterone levels. It also helps me a lot with libido, mood, and overall just feeling better.

I just thought since I'm not a big guy I could get away with a lower dose. I can run it at 6 caps a day, not an issue.

 

[kiki123]

Thank you for the excitement and the enthusiasm. We're working to get things out as fast as we can. We have to balance launching new products while also making sure to try to keep existing good sellers in stock; and there are just only x amount of hours for production runs in a week haha.

Even if they don't make it out in time to add into your M-Test run, hopefully you'll like the formulas and run them in the future.

Possible to know approximately when the M-test will be available ???

I ordered for an 8 week Mtest + AE cycle but the supplier got the order wrong and only gave me one m test bottle ...

And now I see he's out of stock everywhere ...

I don't want to start my cycle if I'm not sure I will get another bottle of m test ...

 

[wannabestrong]

I just started a run of mtest last week, does anyone see an issue only running 4 caps a day? I'm 52 and just trying to optimize my low test levels (TT 367ng/dl, FT 41pg/ml). I need to get bloods done in 8 weeks for my cholesterol so I can check test levels again to see if the mtest is helping.

I’d love to hear about those test results after M-Test!

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

Possible to know approximately when the M-test will be available ???

I ordered for an 8 week Mtest + AE cycle but the supplier got the order wrong and only gave me one m test bottle ...

And now I see he's out of stock everywhere ...

I don't want to start my cycle if I'm not sure I will get another bottle of m test ...

https://www.dpsnutrition.net/i/26207/competitive-edge-labs-m-test-180-cap.htm

its in stock here bro and on sale for $24/bottle

 

[sns8778]

I just thought since I'm not a big guy I could get away with a lower dose. I can run it at 6 caps a day, not an issue.

I would personally do the 6 caps per day if it were me; that's what I do myself. I think and hope you'll be very pleased with it. And if you ever have any questions, you're always welcome to pm me anytime.

 

[sns8778]

Possible to know approximately when the M-test will be available ???

I ordered for an 8 week Mtest + AE cycle but the supplier got the order wrong and only gave me one m test bottle ...

And now I see he's out of stock everywhere ...

I don't want to start my cycle if I'm not sure I will get another bottle of m test ...

It's supposed to be shipping to us next week so we should have it listed back on the site next week and also have retailers resupplied as soon as we get it back in as well.

 

[Independent]

I’d love to hear about those test results after M-Test!

I will post them here when I get them.

 

[Independent]

I would personally do the 6 caps per day if it were me; that's what I do myself. I think and hope you'll be very pleased with it. And if you ever have any questions, you're always welcome to pm me anytime.

Thank you so much. Appreciate it.

 

[BCseacow83]

I would personally do the 6 caps per day if it were me; that's what I do myself. I think and hope you'll be very pleased with it. And if you ever have any questions, you're always welcome to pm me anytime.

I completely agree. Run the correct dose and when you get labs some things will be apparent: Does it work, and how well,. Two you won't be sitting there wondering if the correct amount would have worked better or at all. You can always back down the dose later to see IF you maintain the benefits but you want to give things the best chance of working for you. What's more expensive: taking 6 a day and getting results or taking 4 and getting less and potentially no results? I am super conservative when talking PED's but supplements, IME more times than not, have threshold dosing and you really need to hit the mark or more.

Either way please keep us updated when you get those labs!

 

[BCseacow83]

You have nothing to worry about. The issue with Fadogia was beat to death and debated about back to before M-Test ever came out. And it was universally agreed that basically ever knowledgeable person involved in the discussions that Fadogia is safe to take.

In today's world, you can find a study to support almost anything you want to say and you can also slant one to mean whatever you want it to mean.

There are many people, including myself that run M-Test year round as a daily use supplement and never had any issues with it.
Just like there are people that use other Fadogia supplements that don't have any issues with them.

I'm a great example of Fadogia in regards to bloodwork. As many here know, I have an autoimmune and endocrinology condition that I have to get bloodwork for approximately ever 8 weeks. The reason that I started using M-Test daily was because my free testosterone levels improved on it so much when I had my initial bloodwork that my doctor had me come off of it to see and they went back down. He had me start again and they went back up again. At that point, my endocrinologist (who is very anti-supplement) told me to continue to take it regularly because my free testosterone levels were great and we hadn't been able to replicate that even with some of the prescriptions they'd tried me on. The bloodwork I have ran for my condition is very comprehensive and includes hormone levels, PSA, liver enzymes, inflammation markers, etc. and I've never had any issues.
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Just for the sake of investigation, let's examine the 'study' and I put study in quotation marks because it has some very glaring flaws.

It's easy for people to take a study out of context or use an extremely sloppy study to try to further a point of view that the researchers want to and this study is a great example of that.

1. This study was done on rodents, not people.
2. How many rodents was the study on?
3. How old were the rodents in the study?
4. What was the general physical health of the rodents in the study?
5. What was the actual purpose of the study?

#5 is very relevant because what was the researchers intention? In that were they objective or did they find what they were wanting to find; and the reason I ask that is because they sure did use the words 'might' and 'may' a whole lot in their abstract - so I would say that that alone is a reason to state that nothing was conclusive about their 'study'.

6. They used a 'aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis stem' - notice that they didn't specify which extract, what it was extracted or standardized for, etc. It also didn't state whether the study was done on Fadogia itself or on just the isolated extract - because if that was the case, that is completely different with any herb than what is actually used in real world dosing for anything.

7. Being that some of the things that they said that it 'might' or 'may' be responsible for are also some of the things that could be attributed to heavy metals testing and that there are other things that you would think would have been specified in studies that weren't addressed by them, its important to note that I didn't see anywhere where they tested for or addressed the possibility that their could have been some heavy metals contamination in the extracts that they used. (This was a big question mark when this study was first debated years ago).

Now, let's look at a couple of things that the study did say:

- Clinical toxicity symptoms such as respiratory distress, epistasis, salivation, hypo- and hyperactivity were not observed at any period of the experiment. Translation - no toxicity symptoms such as the ones mentioned above were shown.
- No mortality recorded.
- The liver and kidney body weight ratios of the extract-treated animals compared well (P > .05) with their controls throughout the experimental period.
- The extract did not cause any swelling, atrophy or hypertrophy of the organs
- Here is a direct quote - This might have resulted from peroxidation of the polyunsaturated fatty acids on the membranes of the hepatocytes and nephrons made possible by the functional groups or the product of metabolism of the extract.
- Here is another direct quote - This may be responsible for the compromise of the integrity of the plasma membranes of the hepatocytes and nephrons.

^^^ This seems very far from being conclusive of anything.

At about 1:15:00 into the video, basically the tail end, he discusses how standardized data sets, whether it be excel or pdf can be accessed these days from authors and how two different statisticians can come to completely different conclusions based on the exact same set of data points. I thought this to be relevant to your rebuttal of the study in question above, and studies at large for that matter. If you guys ever dreamed of attending BB university I suggest watching Dr. Scott's podcasts on Think Big Bodybuilding Media, very data-heavy and IMO VERY INTERESTING. He lives at the intersection of science and bro-science so has a unique outlook.

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[sns8778]

At about 1:15:00 into the video, basically the tail end, he discusses how standardized data sets, whether it be excel or pdf can be accessed these days from authors and how two different statisticians can come to completely different conclusions based on the exact same set of data points. I thought this to be relevant to your rebuttal of the study in question above, and studies at large for that matter. If you guys ever dreamed of attending BB university I suggest watching Dr. Scott's podcasts on Think Big Bodybuilding Media, very data-heavy and IMO VERY INTERESTING. He lives at the intersection of science and bro-science so has a unique outlook.

I appreciate it. But the Fadogia 'study' really isn't even a study if you look at all of the relevant information that was omitted from the setup and details of it; like the ones that I mentioned in my post in the thread.

Whenever I read a study about anything, I always ask myself - is this study set up to find out a result or to get a certain result. I think that's a very relevant question not just in studies on supplements, but on a large number of different facets of life.

 

[wannabestrong]

@sns8778 Random question, but is there a specific reason why it needs to be ingested with food? Had a long day yesterday and didn’t feel like eating late at night so I slammed my pills with a lot of water lol

 

[BCseacow83]

@sns8778 Random question, but is there a specific reason why it needs to be ingested with food? Had a long day yesterday and didn’t feel like eating late at night so I slammed my pills with a lot of water lol

I have taken both on an empty stomach numerous times without issue.

 

[sns8778]

@sns8778 Random question, but is there a specific reason why it needs to be ingested with food? Had a long day yesterday and didn’t feel like eating late at night so I slammed my pills with a lot of water lol

It's fine to take on an empty stomach. It's pretty common to suggest herbal products be taken with food just because some herbs may bother some people's stomachs. Sometimes I take M-Test with food, sometimes on an empty stomach.

 

[Dodgerdave120]

M test seems out of stock everywhere. Any idea when it will be available again?