Cast em now Griffin or Jackson

Anneup who wins Griffin or Jackson

  • Get tha f*ck outta here its Griffin

    Votes: 11 27.5%

  • Kiss my black ASS its Jackson

    Votes: 29 72.5%
  • Total voters
    40
  • Poll closed .
I really can't see how Page would've won that fight or how it seems like it was fixed or any of that.

Seriously, aside from a couple of BIG (don't get me wrong, they were powerful) shots here and there, what else did Page do?

He was never really the agressor. He was backing off and just countering for most of the fight. Forrest was taking a lot more shots and a lot more chances, Forrest landed some SERIOUS leg kicks with no answer (lets go back to the basics, leg shots count big time as far as scoring goes). And as previously mentioned, Forrest dominated almost on every cathegory.

Page indeed had the most damage, I'll give that, but he lacked control over the fight. This reminds me of one of the UF this season, when one of page's boys lost on judges decision because he was often on his back having the other guy on his guard, EVEN THOUGH he did waaay more damage.

Forrest on the other hand was the aggressor. He had the most punches connected, he had most leg kicks connected, he DOMINATED the ground game, from his back as well as from the mount (I still don't get why he didn't go for takedowns after he stuck the leg kicks). Forrest also controlled the octagon. So why not? At least 3 out of 4 criterias were in Forrest's favor (Let's say Clean Strikes was Page, for sake of argument - Grappling, Aggressiveness and Control were all Forrest's)

So I can't grasp why such claims as fixed fight or unfair. Forrest won that fair and square. And on that note, I'd love to see a rematch cause I think both fighters picked up a lot from each other and I wouldnt be surprised if gameplans changed a lot.
 
luclyluciano said:
jas123 said:
I've read various boards (with decent members - not Sherdog) and almost everyone (Rampage and Forrest fans) scored it round 1,3, and 4 for Page with 2 being a 10-8 or 10-9 round for Forrest. Rampage either wins or draws. It was very close, though.QUOTE]


Do really believe Page won that fight. Not so sure...here is the judging criteria and how I called it overall:

-Clean Strikes (not same as heavy punches)- Forest
-Effective Grappling-Draw
-Octagon control-Forest
-Effective Aggressiveness-Forest
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See I think Page landed about an equal amount of clean punches that did way more damage. Forrest would throw combos with the punches all getting blocked or missing and then slip in a leg kick. I'm not ignoring the leg kicks by any means but Rampage did more overall damage.

I don't think it was fixed (that's ridiculous), and I said it was close enough to go either way. Watching it a second time, I scored it:

round 1 - Page 10-9
round 2 - Forrest 10-9
round 3 - extremely close - 10-10 or maybe 10-9 Rampage
round 4 - Rampage 10-9
round 5 - Forrest 10-9

Forrest buckled Rampage's leg in round 2 which I consider like wobbling someone that doesn't end up falling. Forrest controlled the round and got mount, but didn't really do any damage besides the 2 leg kicks. The Keylock's weren't even close. So 10-9 round.

Forrest won, that's fine, but it could have gone either way.
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jas123 said:
See I think Page landed about an equal amount of clean punches that did way more damage. Forrest would throw combos with the punches all getting blocked or missing and then slip in a leg kick. I'm not ignoring the leg kicks by any means but Rampage did more overall damage.

I don't think it was fixed (that's ridiculous), and I said it was close enough to go either way. Watching it a second time, I scored it:

round 1 - Page 10-9
round 2 - Forrest 10-9
round 3 - extremely close - 10-10 or maybe 10-9 Rampage
round 4 - Rampage 10-9
round 5 - Forrest 10-9

Forrest buckled Rampage's leg in round 2 which I consider like wobbling someone that doesn't end up falling. Forrest controlled the round and got mount, but didn't really do any damage besides the 2 leg kicks. The Keylock's weren't even close. So 10-9 round.

Forrest won, that's fine, but it could have gone either way.
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Close for sure I had it as a draw......
 
Yeah, I'd say a Draw if had to be, but I really couldn't see page getting the upper hand in that fight AT ALL.

He did land some nice punches and he could have gone home with it if only Forrest was a little more shaken by it, but, since that didn't happen I'd go for the score cards and Forrest had most of it.

I could easly understand a draw but I couldn't see a "clear" or even a shady win by page, he just lacked in so many areas that are really important. I mean, he IS a ground and pound guy, that would be his "strong" side, and yet, when he was on top and on Forrest guard he still did less work than Griffin and has less oportunities.

It was a close fight but IMHO it was Griffin's close fight,
 
bla55 said:
Yeah, I'd say a Draw if had to be, but I really couldn't see page getting the upper hand in that fight AT ALL.

He did land some nice punches and he could have gone home with it if only Forrest was a little more shaken by it, but, since that didn't happen I'd go for the score cards and Forrest had most of it.

I could easly understand a draw but I couldn't see a "clear" or even a shady win by page, he just lacked in so many areas that are really important. I mean, he IS a ground and pound guy, that would be his "strong" side, and yet, when he was on top and on Forrest guard he still did less work than Griffin and has less oportunities.
It was a close fight but IMHO it was Griffin's close fight,
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I'm with you on this one...PAge did not do enough to deserve a win!:clap2:
 
luclyluciano said:
I'm with you on this one...PAge did not do enough to deserve a win!:clap2:
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The burden of proof is on the challenger, not the champ. That means they have to convince you, not the other way around.

It was a draw, if not a win for page. The knock down and almost finish in the first round means 10-8 round for page.

Anyway you slice it, Forrest was not the unanomous winner.
 
CryingEmo said:
The burden of proof is on the challenger, not the champ. That means they have to convince you, not the other way around.

It was a draw, if not a win for page. The knock down and almost finish in the first round means 10-8 round for page.

Anyway you slice it, Forrest was not the unanomous winner.
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:goodpost::clap2:
 
CryingEmo said:
The burden of proof is on the challenger, not the champ. That means they have to convince you, not the other way around.

It was a draw, if not a win for page. The knock down and almost finish in the first round means 10-8 round for page.

Anyway you slice it, Forrest was not the unanomous winner.
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What about the judging criteria? I think many are ignoring the criteria or mixing up effective strikes with power/damaging stikes, the judging does not different the two. (In my heart Page is still the champ because I knew he never was in trouble but Forest clearly was but while waiting 4 the descision I knew that he was the loser & U could tell by the look on his face when he was waiting 4 the scorecards...he knew it too!)
 
luclyluciano said:
What about the judging criteria? I think many are ignoring the criteria or mixing up effective strikes with power/damaging stikes, the judging does not different the two. (In my heart Page is still the champ because I knew he never was in trouble but Forest clearly was but while waiting 4 the descision I knew that he was the loser & U could tell by the look on his face when he was waiting 4 the scorecards...he knew it too! ABSOLUTELY)
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I just rewatched the fight and there is no way Forrest won that fight period, no way. He got hit with big shots all night, his only positive round imo was 2, and it sure as hell wasn't a 10-8 round like Joe said, even Mike knew it was BS. This is Forrest's second BS decision and he knew it

So I withdraw my comments earlier on it being a draw...
 
I mean 26-28 Forrest?????

JEEZUS was Cecil Peoples judging???? The fact remains Forrest to this day knows he did not win the TUF fight, and I think he knows he didn't win this fight. He is busy that's all, he did not control the octagon....he was rocked 4 times in the fight......

i scored it like this

rampage first col forrest second
10-9
9-10
10-10
10-9
10-9


Clearly Rampage won thats it.... the UFC is getting a rep for sh!tty decisions.............. Bisping
 
I don't see how you can give Page round 5 and then rule 3 a draw. They were similar rounds, but with Forrest busier in the 5th and Page doing a little less in the 5th.
 
In all seriousness, this is how it needs to be done.


I get the video clip. Wait till something happens, determine on a scale of 1-10 of how effective it is, like a leg kick, or power shot. Add up the numbers for each. Highest number wins the round. Other factors include octagon control / agressiveness. Not business.
 
I was able to rewatch it and I cannot see how Forrest got the decision. It was either a very close win for page or a draw. I know the UFC wants marketing and feel that TUF gives that to them, but this was a bad decision. I have seen far worse decisions, but this was most certainly bad
 
If you watch a fight looking for proof of your own opinion, you will find it. Some of you guys are complaining more than the man who lost, who incidentally admitted that forrest whupped his ass. He was in the ring, I'll take his word for it. Judging has always been subjective and debatable in pretty much any sport where it is used. It could have gone both ways depending how you look at it. Get over it. Fact is most of you guys didn't give forrest a chance in hell and just have sour grapes.
 
jarhead said:
If you watch a fight looking for proof of your own opinion, you will find it. Some of you guys are complaining more than the man who lost, who incidentally admitted that forrest whupped his ass. He was in the ring, I'll take his word for it. Judging has always been subjective and debatable in pretty much any sport where it is used. It could have gone both ways depending how you look at it. Get over it. Fact is most of you guys didn't give forrest a chance in hell and just have sour grapes.
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no you just rooted for forrest and your backing up his win. Idk man anyone who watches alot of MMA can see that Forrest didnt do enough to win and Rampage did enough to keep his title, thats the bottom line. Was Rampage ever hurt in that fight? I dont think so. Was Forrest? I think so. You are right though its all subjective and all opinions but i think the UFC is becoming too political. No matter who was fighting and what side you take i cant see how you can say that in that fight Rampage got his ass beat or flat out lost as they imply with the unanimous dec.
 
pistonpump said:
no you just rooted for forrest and your backing up his win. Idk man anyone who watches alot of MMA can see that Forrest didnt do enough to win and Rampage did enough to keep his title, thats the bottom line. Was Rampage ever hurt in that fight? I dont think so. Was Forrest? I think so. You are right though its all subjective and all opinions but i think the UFC is becoming too political. No matter who was fighting and what side you take i cant see how you can say that in that fight Rampage got his ass beat or flat out lost as they imply with the unanimous dec.
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Nope. I like both fighters. Part of me wanted Rampage to win and parted of me wanted the underdog. As the fight progressed I just saw forrest being more active and controlling the octagon with page being an uncharacteristic(for him) one trick pony just throwing bombs. I do watch plenty of mma and my opinion was that forrest did more to win the decision. I think it was close enough that I wouldn't have been shocked if page got it, especially being the champ, but I still gave it to forrest. The only reason I said page got his ass beat was that I was just quoting him. That is what he said after the fight. With all that said, the same applies to me- my opinion would influence me if I rewatched the fight again, I'm no different. That's just human nature.
 
i see your point really im just mad cuz i lost money hahahah nah jk i really felt page won it but i can see how some would favor the decision to forrest he was more active
 
pistonpump said:
i see your point really im just mad cuz i lost money hahahah nah jk i really felt page won it but i can see how some would favor the decision to forrest he was more active
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Ouch! Yeah, I'd be pissed too.I did think that rampage could have won it at any time if he landed. He has just gotten so damn dangerous, even when he's hurt.
 
jarhead said:
Nope. I like both fighters. Part of me wanted Rampage to win and parted of me wanted the underdog. As the fight progressed I just saw forrest being more active and controlling the octagon with page being an uncharacteristic(for him) one trick pony just throwing bombs. I do watch plenty of mma and my opinion was that forrest did more to win the decision. I think it was close enough that I wouldn't have been shocked if page got it, especially being the champ, but I still gave it to forrest. The only reason I said page got his ass beat was that I was just quoting him. That is what he said after the fight. With all that said, the same applies to me- my opinion would influence me if I rewatched the fight again, I'm no different. That's just human nature.
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Of course page said he got his ass beat. What else is he going to say? That's how you take a loss and maintain everyones respect. You know what happens when you question a loss after the fight.
 
CryingEmo said:
Of course page said he got his ass beat. What else is he going to say? That's how you take a loss and maintain everyones respect. You know what happens when you question a loss after the fight.
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Excellent point, that is what I thought I was too lazy to say it....:goodpost:
 
CryingEmo said:
Of course page said he got his ass beat. What else is he going to say? That's how you take a loss and maintain everyones respect. You know what happens when you question a loss after the fight.
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Where's this analysis that you were going to do EMO?
 
Yeah I got access to it.


I think I'm going to make a video of it, and pause the video and scroll text across the screen when something happens, then add it to some counter at the bottom.

At the end page and griffin will have counters and number scores. Damage will also be taken into factor, as in a rampage punch that knocks you down is worth way more than a weak leg kick.


Or I could just watch it and type EVERYTHING that happens in that round.
 
There are UFC judging criteria...and MMA forum member criteria. If UFC was owned by MMA forum members then Page would have won. :frustrate a

Hey I lost $200 on Rampage...I wanted him to win too. At the end of the fight I knew I lost my $200 and so did everyone else in the bar. Forest had the right gameplan to win against Page and executed it. I would have had the same stategy. I wish Page had connected with some more power shots....I'd be up $200.

Lucky
 
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