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you could probably stay with 30mg for week 3 but its up to you...do you feel you need to bump it up? Remember youll have less sides deeper in the cycle if you use only what you need.

The exact reason i havent gone up high with Phera like i would with something else is because it remains clean and relatively side free when taking sparingly but it effects my hair and nips so bumping to high doses would only amplify that and probably not do much extra for muscle gain. I just stay with a dose unless i feel i need a little more.
 
Hey celc5---Thundegod here. I want to say listen to pistonpump on the dosage issue. Please don't go higher than 40 mgs. per day. The last phera-plex cycle I did (Aug. 07) I went up to 60mgs. per day for the last 2 weeks of a 6 week cycle. BAD MISTAKE!!! The sides were awful. My blood pressure shot through the freaking roof. I bloated like a jellyfish and I smoothed over completely. I didn't use formestane on cycle and I should have. I am a little surprised that you're not. I know you love FORM and I do too. I would use it on cycle and androstenetrione off cycle. But that's me!!
 
Hman, join the party bro! :head:

Piston, I see your point. I think I'll stick with 30mg unless I feel stagnant. I had some crazy anxiety last night, but that happens every time I watch football. Of course, in the back of my mind, I'm thinking "crap the phera's elevating my BP." However, I got laid and slept like a rock so I think I worried over nothing. I checked my BP this morning and it was up about 5mm since last week, which is negligible IMO.

Just to clarify, I have no intentions of going above 40mg at any point in the cycle. I only have 2 bottles and would like to have the flexibility to make this cycle 35 days or so (again, I'd be happy with somewhere around 28 as well if I plateau or get burned out).

Easy that's good stuff. The 600mg to address a prolactin issue is EXACTLY what I had seen in one other case that I found on another board. I'll stick with my 200/day and look further into p-5-p where it's economically feasible.

thunder, I have plenty of form on hand. I can tell I am VERY carb sensitive while on phera so far. In fact, I've actually lowered my carbs to around 200-250g/day and have noticed only very very mild bloat in the stomach region.

I can see where you're coming from with being surprised that I'm not using form while on cycle. The reasoning is three-fold:

1) I don't want to use an additional hormonal product unless I have to.

2) I've been on so many freaking AI's in the last year that I need to learn to control myself. I ran formestane in november and december... it stays active for 22 weeks so TECHNICALLY it is still probably playing a role in this cycle

3) I like the idea of saving formestane for post cycle therapy to give me an extra boost. Let's face it, the "popular" nha stacks are hyped up bologne and a big waste of money. Form is about 1/2 the cost and 3 times as effective. ...rant? maybe. I'm ON :head:
 
vitamin shoppe has bottles of p5p for 100 50mg tabs for $11, swanson vitamins online has same size bottles for $3.50ish, but you have to add shipping on. so if you want to start it soon, i'd say stick with the 200mg you have a day for now, buy a bottle at vitamin shoppe to make up the diff from 200 to 600, and order 3-4 bottles from swanson on regular delivery :)
 
actually I might even suggest dropping that 200mg to 100 in this scenario, as there are possible negative side effects from even as low as 200mg of pyridoxine.
 
hey celc5--- Me again! Please tell me why you think the nha stack is ineffective. I'm already using bulk 95% nettle extract, bulk icariin, bulk resveratrol. I'm also using avena sativa and muira pauma. Please tell me which of these you truly think are worthless and over-hyped so I won't waste any more money on them! I've heard so much good feedback on the nettle, icariin and resveratrol. I really trust all the feedback i've seen from you. Guys like you,the bigT, and neoborn are why I keep reading and posting here.Thanks!!
 
I remember while on my first cycle of Phera my squats jumped from 315x6 to 315x14. Ohhh my, it was glorious. And that was a Phera-only cycle. The last time I was on Phera I was taking 1400mg of TP EW and 50mg Tren ED. Wow. I felt one step above the rest of the human race.
 
Easy, I just checked. I have the NOW B6 which is Pyridoxine Hydrochloride. I'll be making a change soon.

thundergod, the question I can't answer is "why." I can tell you I've double dosed MassFx and Activate with very little if any effect. I'm less familiar with the other bulk products you have listed.

Irish, I like your style :head: I'd much rather be running a test/deca cycle than these designers without question. That being said, I'd prefer to stay on the DL with my "supplementation" without being questioned why I blew up in 10 weeks. So far with these lean gains, my friends say I looked pumped but no "interrogation" yet.
 
celc5 said:
Irish, I like your style :head: I'd much rather be running a test/deca cycle than these designers without question. That being said, I'd prefer to stay on the DL with my "supplementation" without being questioned why I blew up in 10 weeks. So far with these lean gains, my friends say I looked pumped but no "interrogation" yet.
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I tend to deny everything unless it's one of my few friends that trains hard and is solid on their diet. Some people really just can't handle the truth.
 
To add to the prolactin discussion, what about SAM-e during and post-cycle? It has been shown to have positive effects on prolactin and dopamine levels, helps with hepatoxicity and can elevate mood. Plus methyl donors help with various reactions that can affect performance.
 
Messenger said:
To add to the prolactin discussion, what about SAM-e during and post-cycle? It has been shown to have positive effects on prolactin and dopamine levels, helps with hepatoxicity and can elevate mood. Plus methyl donors help with various reactions that can affect performance.
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I'm taking 400mg/day. It's possible that I didn't have that on my "plan" post because I think I might have added it in after I had started already :think:

However, I have to admit that my line of thinking was more in terms of liver protection and mood and I was unaware of s-adenyl's affect on prolactin
 
Irish Cannon said:
I tend to deny everything unless it's one of my few friends that trains hard and is solid on their diet. Some people really just can't handle the truth.
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Very Very true Cannon. Some if they found just don't understand and would think your some kind of sauce head and thats all you do, but they don't even realize the dedication and time we put into training and dieting
 
My mistake. I just looked again and it is listed in your post-cycle supplements.

I would like to point out that any info I pass along here is just from what I have read online; I am not trained in biochem or endocrinology and I am not presenting it as absolute fact. I try to only refer to reputable info that is scientifically referenced.

With that said, here is an interesting abstract:

J Psychiatry Res 1990;24(2):177-84

Neuroendocrine effects of S-adenosyl-L-methionine, a novel putative
antidepressant.

Fava M, Rosenbaum JF, MacLaughlin R, Falk WE, Pollack MH, Cohen LS, Jones L,
Pill L

Clinical Psychopharmacology Unit, Massachusetts General Hospital, Harvard
Medical School, Boston 02114.

S-adenosyl-L-methionine (SAMe), a putative antidepressant, is a naturally
occurring substance whose mechanism of action is still a matter of speculation.
It has been recently postulated that SAMe may increase the dopaminergic tone in
depressed patients. Since dopamine inhibits both thyrotropin (TSH) and
prolactin secretion, we investigated the effects of treatment with SAMe on the
TSH and prolactin response to thyrotropin-releasing-hormone (TRH) stimulation
in 7 depressed outpatient women (mean age: 46.1 +/- 7.2 years) and 10 depressed
outpatient men (mean age: 38.0 +/- 10.0 years) participating in a six-week open
study of oral SAMe in the treatment of major depression. At the end of the
study, there was a significant reduction after treatment with SAMe in the
response of both prolactin and TSH to TRH stimulation in the group of depressed
men compared to pre-treatment values. On the other hand, in the group of
depressed women, the posttreatment prolactin response to TRH did not appear to
change when compared to pre-treatment and the TSH response to TRH challenge
tended even to augment slightly after treatment with SAMe. Our results, at
least in depressed men, seem to support the hypothesis of a stimulating effect
of SAMe on the dopaminergic system.

While this deals with a different population than we may be addressing here, it shows that SAM-e may affect prolactin levels through its positive actions on dopamine. The increase in dopamine should also benefit libido as previously discussed in this thread. Also some of the emotional effects of steroid cycles are probably linked to this pathway anyway, so it might be even more relevant.

Also for anyone REALLY interested in neurotransmitters, check out this link: Invalid Link Removed

Sorry if this has gotten off topic. :nono:
 
Day 16

Messenger, this is actually the same SamE (see how clever phera makes me :D) study my pharmacist printed out for me when I discussed SamE with him a few months ago. Good find bro!

Day 16

A bit of lethargy is starting to set in. It's not debilitating, it just makes my aass feel too heavy to get up out of a chair. This has not affected my lifting whatsoever, but it has made light cardio very burdensome.

My chest and lats seem to be progressing the most quickly to this point which I am very happy with. My shoulders and arms are looking a little fuller, although they are typically weaker points for me. Quads, calves, and traps are growing like crazy although these are typically very very strong parts for me that grow even with less emphasis. I actually dropped shrugs from my shoulder routine because my neck was disappearing :blink:

I did decide that 40mg was the right dosage for me rather than staying at 30. I appreciate everyone's opinions and ALL of them were strongly considered in making this decision.

My thought process was this: If I'm going to run a cycle, I want to put EVERYTHING into it and not sell myself short. I believe that I'm prepared to handle whatever sides show up, although I still expect minimal sides at this dosage. My entire life is dedicated to eating, sleeping, and training... so going all out with the supplement follows suite.
 
celc5 said:
I actually dropped shrugs from my shoulder routine because my neck was disappearing :blink:
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:lol: That line made me smile!

By the way Celc, congrats on naming your log after a Pink Floyd song. Bonus points for you!

What is your plan of attack for the lethargy? Do you have stims on hand or are you planning on getting some? Curious to see if you can fend that off successfully.
 
Sounds like your having great progress, this is making me very excited about my upcoming first run of PP.
 
Piston, if I feel like things go haywire because of the dosage, I'd be sure to back off. I appreciate all of your feedback and hope that you continue to chime in often :cheers:

Hman, this stuff is SMOOTH to this point. IMO it has less sides and is less potent than the CEL halo clone... again, to THIS point. When it's all said and done, I expect this to be a tad more suppressive than halo. We'll see how this story unfolds.

Ecto, I'm actually referencing a Rush bootleg called "Careful with that axe, Alex" which I'd bet is a reference to the said Pink Floyd song :head: Btw, Alex is Alex Lifeson, the guitarist for Rush, which is Canada's second best contribution to the world after neoborn :lol:

Also, here's the no BS explanation behind my strong points... body parts that have not been injured honestly don't reach plateau for me. I'd be able to shrug, squat, and deadlift in excess of 500 for reasonable reps if I did them on a regular basis, without hormones mind you. But, now that my personal focus has shifted from power and ego over to body composition, having poor balance is no longer productive. So, out go the shrugs for now.

Re: lethargy, stims are out during this cycle. I'm guessing that the eratic sleep patterns from last week had something to do with the stims. I had some crazy chest pounding nights with anxiety but ONLY when I used a morning stim and/or a preworkout stim. My instinct was to "blame" the phera after all the controversy concerning BP and heart enlargement BLAH BLAH BLAH... ha! no stims, no issues. Btw, to anyone keeping score, resting heart rate has only went up about 5mm systolic since the start of the cycle. Negligible IMO.

So, I've been using random non-stim supps that have beta alanine, occasionally some caffeine early in the day at work, and I'm just gonna man up and not be a puss.
 
celc5 said:
FINAL REVIEW and SUMMARY will be in POST #2

Supplement Plan

Pheraplex 20-40mg for 3-5 weeks

Support Supplements of Note

Hawthorne Berry
Taurine
B6
*Liver, BP, cholesterol preloaded for 10 days
*Stims and Sleep Aids as needed

Split

8-12 reps

M: Lats/Core/Calves
T: Quads/Forearms
W: Legs/Core/Calves
Th: Off
F: Deads, Back, Bis
S: Chest, Tris, Shoulders
S: Off

Goals

Lean Bulk: 8-10 pounds without increase in bf%

Strength is not a major priority. TUT techniques will be employed when the weight "feels" light. I have a plethora of minor injuries and I don't ever want them to be major injuries.

Propensity for Sides

My hairline has been thinning in the front for a few years now. I'm fully prepared to get out the clippers or the razor if need be. I am using Nizarol-AD OTC shampoo 3-4 times per week.

I am a cranky little biitch. I'm high energy and annoying. I'll do my best to have a ton of self-awareness to make sure these attributes aren't magnified and interfere with my family, social, or professional life.

I've been blessed with very clear skin and I never have acne or bacne. That being said, I get BOTH every time I run anything that effects my hormones. I have a ton of girly face washes, creams, and all that stuff that chicks use to keep my face clear.

My libido/drive seems to be easily affected by hormonal supplementation. Luckily, it's never been to the point that I've had an embarrassing situation. I have an arsenal of libido enhancers should any issues arise (or NOT rise :lol:)

I should also note that I had some pretty irritating back pumps in the 3rd and 4th week of a halo cycle. I plan to address that with 2 gallons of water per day and 2g taurine 2x/day.

Diet

300/300/50
Shooting for 350g protein as often as possible (this is something I need to work on as I believe I'm a hard gainer, otherwise known as a whimpy eater)

Post Cycle Plan

Torem
Formestane/trione TD combo
Lean Extreme
ZMA
Activate Extreme
*will consider creatine, beta alanine, SamE when the time comes

Post Cycle Training will be a pre-determined HST routine to avoid overtraining while still forcing progressive loads.

Supplement History

ALRI Stack
H-drol/Eform Cycle
NP NHA Stack

Most Effective Supplements to this point
Hdrol, Eform, TRAC Extreme NO
I fully expect to add phera to this list
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Great planning. This was done with alot of thought. You have everything in here and then some. Should be a great cycle.
 
angelo212 said:
He said 5 to 7 grams in a post at DA going back many months ago.
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Angelo, thanks for the compliment on the plan. I planned hardcore for about 2 months for this cycle. I had the plan double, triple, and quadruple checked by those who are MUCH more experienced than me. I talk the talk sometimes, but this is only my second cycle.

Actually, rather than speculate on what someone else may or may not have recommended, feel free to contribute your own personal preference for taurine dosages.
 
celc5 said:
Hman, this stuff is SMOOTH to this point. IMO it has less sides and is less potent than the CEL halo clone... again, to THIS point. When it's all said and done, I expect this to be a tad more suppressive than halo. We'll see how this story unfolds.
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Hmmm well from what i have heard pp really starts to kick in about week 3 so we will see how it goes. This is your beginning of your 3rd week, correct?
 
hey celc5--- I thought you told me that you didn't get much out of activate extreme? I see you have it on your post cycle plan. I also see the form/trione combo. That I love!! I'm post cycle right now after a 3 week superdrol run that was fantastic at 30 mg. per day. I'm also taking the activate, ZMA, icariin, resveratrol and a few other goodies. I'm actually getting stronger in PCT. I have a suggestion on the stim issue. Try some B-12, fruit and a little honey pre-workout. It will help a little!! Have a great cycle celc5. My next run will be phera-plex as well at 30 mg. per day the whole 4 weeks.
 
celc5 said:
Ecto, I'm actually referencing a Rush bootleg called "Careful with that axe, Alex" which I'd bet is a reference to the said Pink Floyd song :head: Btw, Alex is Alex Lifeson, the guitarist for Rush, which is Canada's second best contribution to the world after neoborn :lol:
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I'm sure that's a reference to "Careful with that Axe, Eugene" by Pink Floyd. I actually have no idea who Eugene is, but I think The Floyd were on a 3 year acid trip with Syd Barrett at that time, so Eugene probably doesn't really exist anyway!

Canada's contributions of Neo and Alex are negated by the additional contributions of Bryan Adams and Celine Dion... I say it's a wash! :lol:

By the way, I discovered that Opt. Nutrition ZMA has some P-5-P in it. Might be a good way to combine the two supps, though I wonder if the P-5-P is dosed high enough (10.5mg per serving). Did we ever find a reference to whether or not P-5-P interferes with androgens and at what dose? I know Easy found all the B6/P5P info, but I don't recall those studies discussing androgen interference.

Keep kickin *ss bro!
 
Yo Celc, I wanted to chime in on the Taurine dosing. I have an anecdotal recommendation from a Superdrol cycle that I did. I dosed 4 mg of Taurine per dosage increase. For example, 4 mg for 10mg of superdrol, 8 mg for 20mg SD and 12mg for 30mg. With these dosages I didn't have any painful back pumps. Of course, mileage may vary.
 
Hman, yes I've read the same thing about week 3 and 4 for phera. I have a hunch that a few quality pounds are sneaking up on me over the past few days. So the weigh in and caliper will be intriguing for me by day 21. Today is day 17.

thundergod, I have a b complex in the mix but I do see your point with a higher dosed b12. Also, phera has me really driven to work hard, so preworkout is not an issue. That being said, I have no indication of overly aggressive reactions to this point. I do have a bit of alpha male but I'm a cocky assshole anyway so it's tough to tell if it's the phera effect.

Yes, I'll stand my ground that every test booster that I've tried has been bogus marketing fluff. However, I have about 2/3 of a bottle of Activate Extreme leftover. So I'll just throw it in the mix because I have no use for it otherwise and prefer to only trade unopened supps.

Easy, I've actually been sprinkling in some dhea in the morning and evening. Posts by EctoPower and TripDog sparked my interest. I'm hesitant to increase the dosage because it's new territory for me. I do suspect it may be playing some role with this outragiuos libido I've had over the past 5-7 days.

Nas, we're on the same page. I'm runnin 6g right now and I'm only having very mild twinges at work and on heavy back day. I think your dosage estimation is right on the mark bro :cheers:
 
luckily for me, at 660mg of 1-t + 20mg superdrol a day my lethargy is roughly at the chips and salsa with tacos for lunch level :) not anything too crazy. When I was playing around with pulsing superdrol, it was almost unbearable at 30mg taken between pre+ post workout.
 
Hey celc5--- Thanks for your input on my questions. I know I always have alot of them. I am of the same opinion actually with you on the test boosters. I have tried ALL of them, and have been very disappointed and mad with the companies that put that crap out. Apart from halodrol, superdrol, and phera-plex that I've taken over the last 2 years, I haven't gotten any results hardly from the rest of the stuff I've bought. Trib, avena sativa, and alot of others are crap! Until 2 months ago. Then I started using transdermal trione, then 2 weeks ago I started using transdermal formestane. NOW I have something that actually WORKS!! Maybe alot of the other stuff didn't have the proper effect because of aromatization, but now that's no problem with the AI's. Thanks again for all of your help!
 
Day 19

Easy, in line with "debunking" the test booster myth, it seems as if your pulsing experience is about par for the course as well. I think it's COMPLETE bullshiit and everyone gets a ton of sides with less than stellar gains. I say if you're gonna run a cycle, effin go all out! :head:

Thundergod, where'd ya get your form and trione powder? What carrier are you using? How many grams of each did you fit into how many ounces of carrier?

Day 19

Things are in full swing strength wise. I added weight and reps to deadlifts and BO rows. It would have been absolutely insane if it weren't for mild pumps. These are the only 2 exercises that back pumps are interfering with. Pumps are a little annoying at work, but still mild enough to not be distracting.

Some lean mass is sneaking up a little at a time. I'll weigh in and do skinfolds on Sunday or Monday morning.

Another mild side is popping up with bacne. Otherwise, I got one of those falufa thingies to scrub bodywash with and I'm not getting any zits anywhere else.

Libido continues to be surprisingly enhanced. I am having very very mild shedding but it has NOT gotten worse since I first noticed it the first week. Lethargy is apparent but I'm trudging through it.
 
pistonpump said:
no nipple action going on?
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Piston, we're bros but I'm gonna have to tell you that I'm not interested in you that way :run:

Seriously, it's awfully difficult to tell. My mind occasionally tells me that I'm having peculiar sensations to the nipples, but I can't tell if it's psychological or not. You know how your mind tries to play paranoid tricks on ya. It's just a little bit of tingling, like when your foot falls asleep. Does that make sense?

There is no change in sensitivity, no lumpage (althogh I'm no expert in playing with my nipples or man boobs), and no change in appearance. If anything, my chest looks just slightly tighter and harder overall.
 
well thats really good news. If you have to think about it then youre in the clear. Its pretty obvious if you are having some activity going on there.
 
bassgod272 said:
Hey celc, have you heard anything about b6 negatively affecting your androgen receptors? I read that somewhere and was thinking of doing a PP run myself in a month or so. Any other ideas for a prolactin inhibitor while on cycle? BESIDES cabergoline, lol. Everyone i've talked to recommends that, but it's like $200.
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you can only find Cab for 200??? you need to pm me.
 
thundergod said:
Hey celc5--- Thanks for your input on my questions. I know I always have alot of them. I am of the same opinion actually with you on the test boosters. I have tried ALL of them, and have been very disappointed and mad with the companies that put that crap out. Apart from halodrol, superdrol, and phera-plex that I've taken over the last 2 years, I haven't gotten any results hardly from the rest of the stuff I've bought. Trib, avena sativa, and alot of others are crap! Until 2 months ago. Then I started using transdermal trione, then 2 weeks ago I started using transdermal formestane. NOW I have something that actually WORKS!! Maybe alot of the other stuff didn't have the proper effect because of aromatization, but now that's no problem with the AI's. Thanks again for all of your help!
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well so you know... those natty test boosters can do their thing at the proper extract and proper dose (wich IS usually higher then rec dosage) and Ive had stellar results with the Mass HDX2 stack from AX and Drive from AN, outside of that i felt i needed to be dosing what i was taking double then it may work.... now i propose that what you are taking now, trione and formestane, are far from those natty test boosters since they themselves ARE STEROIDS! better put they are steroidal AI's and have a much stronger binding affinity for the A receptor then what those test mimicing natties can do, also i think they make it through the gut and liver better being chemicals not natural herbs (something like trisorbagen, bioprene, DHB would begood to take with herbal supps).

this is all my own formulated opinion based on what ive personally ran and read but cant pull any backing up without alot of research.... its anecdotal, but im sure ive read it from sources that are far from anecdotal.
 
celc great log so far man i love the format and the reserved first posts for updates... i may have to steal that for my next log.

Piston, good to se you in here for another PP thread brother :thumbsup: PP and PP pimpin the PP since the old days, lol.

Id have to say the thing that suprised me was the guys suggesting doses of upwards to 60mg, i was getting insane strength gains (went from 60lb Dbs to 95lb db's for the first time back then, was tri pressing whole stacks for reps, and put on a quality 15lbs.... i cant wait to get another run at it)

again great log and ill be following for the remainder :thumbsup:
 
Celc5--- I got my trione from NP and the form and dermabolics matrix carrier from BN. I got 5 grams of form into an 8 oz. carrier and 10 grams of trione in the other 8 oz. carrier. I take 120 mg. of trans form a day and 200 mg. of trans trione a day. And yeah, poopypants, I know they are steroidal AI's, which is why they work so well. I think I like formestane as much as superdrol, myself! Also, celc, I agree on the pulsing method with you. Seems like a much better idea to just go ahead with a straight cycleof what you're using to get the most out of it.
 
Piston, it sure sounds like an occasional paranoia lapse. That's why I haven't mentioned gyno until you asked.

I hear ya on not wanting to come off. I feel FANTASTIC on phera. Thundergod's feedback with the TD form/trione combo certainly gives me something to look forward to after my phera stash runs dry.

Poopy, a few of my logs got in the upwards of 15 pages, which made it very difficult to find the technical information. So updating the first 2 posts helps to sort things out. It wouldn't be "stealing" if you did that too... more like sharing ideas as I'm sure I got that from somewhere else as well :cheers:

Regarding the dosage, I think it's VERY relative to where you were in pre-cycle in terms of training and diet. My opinion is that the closer you are to a plateau, the higher dosages required to illicit gains above your current pace.

thundergod, too bad the old school 4-OH-T isn't still available... or is there still some floating around??? :twisted:
 
true with the dosage, not to mention if youve run a compound before it tends to be less effective the next time if run close... but ive noticed when i wait and switch compound each cycle that i tend to closer to the same as i did the first time rather then running SD and then SD again 4 months later.
 
poopypants said:
true with the dosage, not to mention if youve run a compound before it tends to be less effective the next time if run close... but ive noticed when i wait and switch compound each cycle that i tend to closer to the same as i did the first time rather then running superdrol and then SD again 4 months later.
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yeah that seems true for me as well
 
I think that is even more true if one is a class 1 and the other is a class 2, but thats just a guess. then it gives the alternate receptors a longer break.
 
celc5--- I've been trying for hours now to find some old 4-oh-t, but alas, to no avail. I 've been googling my glutes off trying to help you out, but nothing. I've even tried to find individuals with unopened bottles for sale, but came up short. SORRY!! But, you still have the TD trione/form to look forward to after your phera cycle. Have fun!!!
 
Day 21

Easy, Poopy, and Piston, I agree with all of your comments regarding dosage. I have more personal feelings regarding dosage that I'd like to save for the final review. I want to see if this week 4/5 causes some drastic changes of opinion before I delve more into this topic.

Thundergod, I appreciate the search my friend. We'll get in touch regarding that issue after this cycle. I'm trying to focus on one thing at a time. So gettin my swell on with phera is top priority right now :head:

Week 3 Summary

Strength is up. I'm not blazing into new territory. But, if powerlifting were still a priority, I'm sure the bar would be bending frequently. Phera is quite nice for strength to this point.

Worklout drive is DEFINATELY the most pronounced benefit that I've noticed from phera. Occasionally, I feel the urge to get back to the gym about 2 hours after finishing a marathon workout. I had to increase my workout time by about 20 minutes per session and superset/dropset just about everything in order to satisfy that drive.

Mood and libido are unaffected or slightly enhanced. Honestly fellas, this is a BIG surprise and I'm happy with that. I expected the opposite.

Lethargy is a mild issue and I'm just trying to be a man about it. Occasionally, first thing in the morning, I'll use just a bit of stims. But phera is causing sleep issues so the stim intake must be very cautious. Eratic sleep patterns are the most prominet side effect to this point from phera.

Back pumps continue to be mild. I notice them when the pace at work is fast and during deadlifts/BO rows. Otherwise, they're a non issue. TheBigT says to think of them as "growing pains." I love the way that man thinks :head:

As discussed with pistonpump, my mind is tryign to convince me that I have some nipple activity occuring. I'm pretty sure this is just placebo paranoia.

Finally, I've had some trouble concentrating a few times over the past week I've also noticed that I've been a bit clumsy. This is VERY unlike me. It's not significant enough to cause alarm, but I will be aware of these symptoms over the next few days.

Diet has been as good, if not better than it's ever been. I'm taking in 325-375g protein per day, 225-275g carbs, and 50-70g fat. My opinion is that phera is NOT a wet compound. However, if you have a "wet" diet (see stuffering your face like a hog with carbs) you will certainly look wet.

My opinion to this point is that phera is very mild with minimal side effects. At the week 3 juncture, I prefer the ON feeling from halo and believe the gains were more pronounced from halo to this point. I will continue to compare these 2 compounds, obviously because they are my only 2 experiences with hormonal products :run:
 
EasyEJL said:
I think that is even more true if one is a class 1 and the other is a class 2, but thats just a guess. then it gives the alternate receptors a longer break.
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Easy you mind helping me break down the differences between class one and class 2's? Is this in specific reference to different types of receptors we have or reference to the compound itself? Does this mean ones that bind to the AR and ones that mostly dont bind to inact theyre effect? or is this purely another way of saying more androgenic or anabolic... im not sure what this means obviously.
 
celc5 said:
Easy, Poopy, and Piston, I agree with all of your comments regarding dosage. I have more personal feelings regarding dosage that I'd like to save for the final review. I want to see if this week 4/5 causes some drastic changes of opinion before I delve more into this topic.

Thundergod, I appreciate the search my friend. We'll get in touch regarding that issue after this cycle. I'm trying to focus on one thing at a time. So gettin my swell on with phera is top priority right now :head:

Week 3 Summary

Strength is up. I'm not blazing into new territory. But, if powerlifting were still a priority, I'm sure the bar would be bending frequently. Phera is quite nice for strength to this point.

Worklout drive is DEFINATELY the most pronounced benefit that I've noticed from phera. Occasionally, I feel the urge to get back to the gym about 2 hours after finishing a marathon workout. I had to increase my workout time by about 20 minutes per session and superset/dropset just about everything in order to satisfy that drive.

Mood and libido are unaffected or slightly enhanced. Honestly fellas, this is a BIG surprise and I'm happy with that. I expected the opposite.

Lethargy is a mild issue and I'm just trying to be a man about it. Occasionally, first thing in the morning, I'll use just a bit of stims. But phera is causing sleep issues so the stim intake must be very cautious. Eratic sleep patterns are the most prominet side effect to this point from phera.

Back pumps continue to be mild. I notice them when the pace at work is fast and during deadlifts/BO rows. Otherwise, they're a non issue. TheBigT says to think of them as "growing pains." I love the way that man thinks :head:

As discussed with pistonpump, my mind is tryign to convince me that I have some nipple activity occuring. I'm pretty sure this is just placebo paranoia.

Finally, I've had some trouble concentrating a few times over the past week I've also noticed that I've been a bit clumsy. This is VERY unlike me. It's not significant enough to cause alarm, but I will be aware of these symptoms over the next few days.

Diet has been as good, if not better than it's ever been. I'm taking in 325-375g protein per day, 225-275g carbs, and 50-70g fat. My opinion is that phera is NOT a wet compound. However, if you have a "wet" diet (see stuffering your face like a hog with carbs) you will certainly look wet.

My opinion to this point is that phera is very mild with minimal side effects. At the week 3 juncture, I prefer the ON feeling from halo and believe the gains were more pronounced from halo to this point. I will continue to compare these 2 compounds, obviously because they are my only 2 experiences with hormonal products :run:
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THIS is the most apparent effect to me with phera, even when I can lift heavier weight normally or on a compound it seems i can lift it BUT it still feels heavy.... this was not the case with phera, It just felt EASY, moving up in weight was fast and didnt feel a bit heavier then the lower weight the week before... it really is a crazy nice compound, being so damn anabolic (one of the highest anabolic profiles out there) all the while still providing typically androgenic benifits with very little of the sides.
 
celc5 said:
My opinion to this point is that phera is very mild with minimal side effects. At the week 3 juncture, I prefer the ON feeling from halo and believe the gains were more pronounced from halo to this point. I will continue to compare these 2 compounds, obviously because they are my only 2 experiences with hormonal products :run:
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I have to say your assesment may very well be factual, Ive never ran Halodrol (had the original and was foolish enough to sell it) but you do ned to remember with your assesment/comparison that Halo was your first compound ever and thus typically you can get some insane efects from it if everything else is in order (diet/routine) wich is apparent you do. Just a thought i wanted to throw out there.... maybe if you had the chance to run halo again after this then you cuold get the best comparison possible... but still nice to hear what your feelings are on this as Im still looking to pick up some Hdrol while its still around to run sometime far off in the future...

does anyone know wich clone it is thats supposed to be an exact replica as the first Hdrol 50 complete with DMT and everything? I heard there was one but i cant remember wich for the life of me.
 
poopypants said:
Easy you mind helping me break down the differences between class one and class 2's? Is this in specific reference to different types of receptors we have or reference to the compound itself? Does this mean ones that bind to the AR and ones that mostly dont bind to inact theyre effect? or is this purely another way of saying more androgenic or anabolic... im not sure what this means obviously.
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There are 2 classes based on receptors i believe. the class Is have strong affinity + bind directly to the androgen receptor, the class IIs come from non-androgen receptor effects. most of our current orals are class II.

Bill Roberts said:
If one prefers, Class I steroids may be defined as those binding well to the androgen receptor, while Class II steroids are those which do not, yet have good anabolic effect.
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