Can't be gyno...or could it?

iron ogr

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I am currently on a cycle of m1-t @10mg/ day and LGP4ad+ @ 400mg/day (4ml AM / 4ml PM). Mid-way through week 3 my nipps started getting sore, no puffiness or itching, but tender when you put pressure on them. Could this really be happening after three weeks @ that dosage?? I started taking nolva @ 40mg/day for the past three days, it hasn't gotten any worse. Could this be from the transdermal??
I've done other cycles w/ 20mg/day of m1-t and 900mg/day of oral 4ad and have had no problems at all.
:blink: Any input would be appreciated.
 
Start taking 200mg motrin 3x a day too, if the itching hasn't started then it's not too late. Actually, any COX inhibitor will work.
 
From what I remember, a m1t + 4ad stack causes progesterone related gyno. Nolva is only affective against estrogen related gyno.
 
former_SlimJim said:
From what I remember, a m1t + 4ad stack causes progesterone related gyno. Nolva is only affective against estrogen related gyno.
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That is incorrect. 4ad definitely aromatizes to estrogen.

Nolva will help with either type of gyno.
 
This might be a stupid question but .... when you apply the 4AD transdermal are you getting any of it on or near your nipples. If you tend to sweat alot it can also run down over the nipples. I ran into this about two years ago. It turned out that the penetrating agents were causing the soreness. After that when I applied it to my chest I made sure I kept it atleast an inch away and had no more problems. But I'd hit the Nolva anyway just in case. It is sooo much cheaper than surgery.
 
Longdog said:
That is incorrect. 4ad definitely aromatizes to estrogen.

Nolva will help with either type of gyno.
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Yeah you're right longdog on the Nolva. I had my wires crossed - it does work against prolact, progest, estro gyno - basically all types. 4ad must first be converted to test before it can aromatize to estro. Some claim (or used to) that M1T can cause progesterone related gyno but mostly when used in conjuction with 4ad.
 
Just wanted to thank you guys for the replies.

I stayed with nolva @ 40mg/ day for the week and then dropped to 10mg/day for the remainder of the cycle.

Started PCT w/ clomid and everything is fine. :thumbsup: No more tenderness, no itching or swelling.
 
how many ml's is 40 mg nova...i have a oral ciringe and its marked with ml only??
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It all depends on the concentration of the solution. For instance Custom's is a concentration of 20mg per ml, so 2ml would be 40mg. I hope this helps.

dd
 
Depends on the concentration.
If its 20 mg/ml then it would take 2 ml to get 40 mg.
 
diamonddave said:
It all depends on the concentration of the solution. For instance Custom's is a concentration of 20mg per ml, so 2ml would be 40mg. I hope this helps.

dd
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COOL THANX I GOT MY NOVA FROM CUSTOM AND CLOMID FROM THERE TOO .....SO NOW I CAN START MY PCT ....
 
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