fanzdslpwr1
Member
- Awards
- 0
headaches are probally from the DAA. DAA gives alot of people headaches
let me know how it goes.........Just threw down on some Andro series.
AndroMass
AndroHard
AndroBulk
PCT
Gonna go for broke.
good advice. id actually recommend either transderm or dermacrine. but ultimately at his age id be looking to trt for certainYes there is a direct correlation with AGE + HIGH BF% = LOW T-LEVELS.....I would not mess with these herbal t boosters and focus on regaining your natural Androgen levels...whether it be through getting blood work through a Dr, then using a TRT protocol
OR
Supplementing with DHEA, which IMO would be the first route I would stress before TRT. From my signature below, you obviously can see I work for Primordial Performance, but we LEAD the way in Hormones in the supplement industry.
I would imagine our new AndroDrive --which is DHEA Enanthate + Pregnenolone Enanthate would be in your best interest to optimize your hormones from their sub-optimal current state.
The positive aspect of using DHEA supplementation from our products is that you WILL NOT be suppressed from the intake of the hormones. We had our Beta Testers dose the product Once-a-day and the hormones peaked perfectly for 12-16 hours then dropped enough at bed time to keep endogenous production still functioning.
I think the combination of stinging nettle along with fish oil are the best combo for freeing test. Coconut oil helps too as it is a great foundation for more total test.I will take stinging nettle for the rest of my life. It helps make that as long as possible and I like the increase in my Free Test which is what really counts.
Standard doses are usually between 1 - 1.25 grams per day.whats a good amount to take for stinging nettle? I see some guys can't even get a hard with a higher dose of 2 grams.
if a person going through andropause where to go to a endocrinologist and have a blood test.......he could qualify for TRT AND HRT..........its what im in the process of going through except at 27.I think the combination of stinging nettle along with fish oil are the best combo for freeing test. Coconut oil helps too as it is a great foundation for more total test.
I'm looking for advice about which of the PP products to use. I ordered the AH, AM and AB as my main goal is to build some muscle.Red, are you planning to take all three of those Andro series at once the first time? I would think the AH along with one of the other two would be quite powerful. What kind of doses each (6 per day or three per day?)? Keep us informed how it works for you.
You might want to test the waters with ramping up doses starting with a low or moderate dose and moving it up over the cycle. You may be surprised how much these "natural" steroids effect you as you have very "fresh" receptors as you have never taken external test or steroids previously. Note: the dosages recommended by PP are strong enough to have powerful effects on people who have done many cycles of all kinds of test + steroid use. I think PP's products are a great choice for you, but there are, for example, aggression levels that go well beyond "alpha male," and there may be other minor issues that you need to experiment with using moderate doses to feel them out. I suspect that you will be a great responder to these products, and that means you may need a lot less of them to get super results. That does save $$ too.I'm looking for advice about which of the PP products to use. I ordered the AH, AM and AB as my main goal is to build some muscle.
I wrote "advanced zone" because I don't want to fool around. I'm serious and want to get down with the program.
From what Matt wrote I should order some AD as well.
Also from what Matt wrote I should be using DHEA. I have resisted that as I have not researched that supp up to this point. Perhaps AD is the answer for that?
I need to focus on my goal. Find something to elevate my test that can be taken regularly. If it is something natural that's great. If not then I'll go to the Dr.
I want to build muscle. I've been training for almost two years and the gains just aren't there. I've overhauled my eating and sleeping habits to much more healthy levels and now I want to step it up a notch or two with the Andro series.
Red, I've tried the combo of DAA, Forma and HCGenerate like you have, and although this combo is one of the best, I believe it only got me to about 750 -800 ng/dL. I've been tested twice while taking test boosters and once I tested in the mid-500's and the other time in the low 600's. Without anything I test in the mid-200's. I doubt if DAA, Forma and HCGenerate brings you any higher than 850, and probably not that.Excellent advice Tuberman.
I think you are right on with the ramping up of doses. Looking back at the reaction I had to DAA, Forma and HCGenerate I can see how something more powerful would almost be overwhelming. To tell the truth I liked the aggressive feeling as I've never been that aggressive and feel I want to be more aggressive but.. would hate to overdo it. Especially since I'll start taking them when I'm here in Africa in a closed environment.
The more I read about AndroDrive the more I like it. how would you work that in to a program??
Thanks again
I like this.6 AD + 2AM + 2 AH = 2952 ng/dL T
how old are you?More excellent advice.
I like this.
Where did you find a sale? I was going to get the AndroDrive now but the discount code from FB doesn't work anymore.
Anyone have a new one??
Testing.
I stopped taking DAA about 4 days ago due to the headaches. I set up a blood test for January 5. That will be almost 2 weeks without any test boosting supps.
I will go the month of January without any test boosting supps, just Nettle and my regular supps.
First of February I'll start on the Andro series. May get another test just before starting to establish a baseline.
I'll get tested again after 4 weeks on the Andro.
If the boost is as good or better than the Forma, HCG, DAA combo.. I'm in for a ride
Can't wait!
Red
PVL, I believe Red told us he was 53 back in his initial post to start the thread.how old are you?
oh ok............so to the OP, why dont you see and endocrinologist about your problem? no insurance?PVL, I believe Red told us he was 53 back in his initial post to start the thread.
I have excellent insurance plus I'm not really worried about the cost.oh ok............so to the OP, why dont you see and endocrinologist about your problem? no insurance?
you totally contradicted yourself man............I have excellent insurance plus I'm not really worried about the cost.
What I've read about TRT is that once you start.. you can't stop.
Your natural production stops and after a period it can't be started again.
At least that's my understanding and my only fear.
On the other hand.. the urge to use the Andro series is purely for gaining muscle mass and strength.
Red
yes, just no anabolics or PHs.........they will wonder why ur test numbers are messed up, they know how high ur test will be with scriptIf I went to the doc and started treatment. Can I still go on Andro series or other types of test boosters? DAA etc..?
Red,More excellent advice.
I like this.
Where did you find a sale? I was going to get the AndroDrive now but the discount code from FB doesn't work anymore.
Anyone have a new one??
Testing.
I stopped taking DAA about 4 days ago due to the headaches. I set up a blood test for January 5. That will be almost 2 weeks without any test boosting supps.
I will go the month of January without any test boosting supps, just Nettle and my regular supps.
First of February I'll start on the Andro series. May get another test just before starting to establish a baseline.
I'll get tested again after 4 weeks on the Andro.
If the boost is as good or better than the Forma, HCG, DAA combo.. I'm in for a ride
Can't wait!
Red
well if you are getting a script for test and AIs you wont need it, but can always take it on and off and just tell your doc about it. im going in on the 30 for a physical, in which time ill ask him about taking a test for total test, thyroid function, and estradiol levels because of my past and being "off" for so long..........Just the thought of being on some kind of medication for the rest of my life.
I know.. not much different than taking supps but it's the principle.
What are the implications of TRT and taking the Andro series ??
My thoughts exactly and what I will do.You could, of course, just play with the Andro series and test boosters on PCT for a while and get a script later as getting a script now will probably hold up your cycle for an extra month or so.
do what u gotta do........u a girl? this whole time i thought u were a dude.........My thoughts exactly and what I will do.
I'll only be home 6 days from January 3 till February 29. Not enough time for doctor testing but plenty of time to bring the Andro to Africa and hit the weights.
The big problem in Africa is diet. They feed plenty of carbs and not much in the way of protein. Carbs are cheap, protein is expensive. I've requested Tuna and have been promised that it will be here in January. We'll see...
As far as testing.. I found something in a post. privatemedlabs.com offers the female profile for $60 and you can find 10% off codes. Feedback shows that you get your results in 24 hours or so and it's private. I've scheduled a test for Jan. 5
Red
ha ha ha!!!!do what u gotta do........u a girl? this whole time i thought u were a dude.........
LMAO!!!!!ha ha ha!!!!
that could explain why I have so much trouble with test levels.. I've been a girl all along and didn't realize it.
Damn, I need a boob job :rofl:
Red
Red,Looking at my original post I recall I was going to see if test could be boosted for a guy in Andropause.
I have to say that the combo of DAA, Erase and Stinging nettle root has put me at what I feel is an elevated level. After 4 weeks using this "stack" I feel mild aggression, better libido, no erection problems and overall better feeling. Not sure if it's reduced estrogen, increased free test, increased total test or what but it is definitely improved over my natural state. I could live at this level and be happy.
Few days ago I complained of my nuts being the size of raisins. I'm attributing that to OxyElite Pro. I started it a couple of days before that to try it. Didn't like it, too much like taking ephedra (Sudafed). Nuts are back to normal.
Red
fanz,I have yet to meet anybody that has used Super Cissus claim that it did anything for them.
Yes, but would any cissus work, perhaps bulk cissus by NP?I stand by my earlier post!
Correct that we have never met. However since joining AM almost 9 years ago I have come across many worthwhile products and been involved in hundreds of discussions here and later elswhere about them. Not long after I joined the first Cissus from USPLabs hit the market. I used it on the first of the three serious RC injuries I have had and fell in love with it. Since then I have recommended it to dozens and dozens of family (2 wives, brothers) friends, co-workers and friends from the gym and in almost all situations people found a 75% or better improvement in their joint, tendon etc injury. It is so effective that I take it every day as one of my basic health supps. Without exaggeration I have probably read hundreds of similar results on line from guys in other forums. I am sure you will also eventually meet quite a few who have been lucky to learn about and use Cissus. IMHO it is easily the absolute best all natural supp to hit the market in the last decade.I have yet to meet anybody that has used Super Cissus claim that it did anything for them.
Red,Woohoo!
Arrived back in the US to find AndroHard, AndroMass, AndroDrive and PCT waiting for me. Tempted to start now but.. I'm going to clean out my system by eating good (clean), light exercise because my whole body is achy at the moment and I don't want anything to hold me back from hitting the weights hard also no supps except my standards. No test boosters, estro reducers etc.. Then in 4 weeks I'll start on AndroHard and AndroDrive. I think 3 each per day will be a good start then we'll see where it goes from there.
Red
Dutch,Correct that we have never met. However since joining AM almost 9 years ago I have come across many worthwhile products and been involved in hundreds of discussions here and later elswhere about them. Not long after I joined the first Cissus from USPLabs hit the market. I used it on the first of the three serious RC injuries I have had and fell in love with it. Since then I have recommended it to dozens and dozens of family (2 wives, brothers) friends, co-workers and friends from the gym and in almost all situations people found a 75% or better improvement in their joint, tendon etc injury. It is so effective that I take it every day as one of my basic health supps. Without exaggeration I have probably read hundreds of similar results on line from guys in other forums. I am sure you will also eventually meet quite a few who have been lucky to learn about and use Cissus. IMHO it is easily the absolute best all natural supp to hit the market in the last decade.
FWIW, I tried but had no positive results in healing injury when using the Primaforce version of Cissus. In fact, although I have used the bulk powder Cissus from NP for years, I always recommend the Super Cissus RX to people who need the best in relief from their particular problem. It has repeatedly done an excellent job for all those I know, for years now. I do recommend a change in the dosing protocol in that I always tell folks to triple dose it the first month after serious injury ie instead of the manufacturer recommended 2 caps per day I suggest 3 in the AM about 15 mins before breakfast and again 3 at night before dinner. After a month if they are getting good relief then back off as I have always done to just 3 caps 1X a day and then eventually to the 2 caps in month 3. Adjust as needed in each individual case. I am not put off by using more at first as long as it continues to work so well for we old farts. I have seen some folks half or a third my age also have great results. My nickname here is "The Village Shaman" and some consider Cissus my secret remedy because most have never heard of it before. Its been so successful that now I see it popping up on some of my favorite all natural supp websites like Vitacost etc.
Glad to hear the good news Red. Keep it up. For me the improvements continued for about 1 1/2 years until I got back to 20/20. At least I feel good because passing on some of my experience is helping guys here. I'm sorry about your having an eyesight problem but I am the dedicated, resident vitamin junkie here and firmly believe that that Great Pharmacist in the Sky gave us some really effective tools to work with.Man this sux!!!
Good news is that my eyesight is getting better. It's subtle but I noticed the other day "I can see all that print and it's so crisp and sharp" then I noticed that colors have a little more "pop". Daily does of Axtaxanthin, Zeaxanthin, Lutein and taurine.
I'll get the real story because I'm going in for my check up next week.
Thanks for the suggestion Dutch. Red