Can someone explain how DHT factors into the whole hypogonadism equation?

[anyman]

As I continue my quest to get back to normal, I am pondering the role of DHT in the equation. The last I recall, my DHT was rather low--under the low normal range. Could be due to a 9 year prior use of Finistaride, but I'll never know for sure.

I understand that DHT is the more potent form of T and is responsible for many of the good and bad we suffer. But, even after Googling a bit I remain a bit unclear as to what it's true function is, what a "good" level is and, more importantly, how/when to raise it without screwing everything else up as well.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

 

[jaydee]

Im not sure anyone really knows what the full function of DHT is. I do know it is partly responsible for libido and is an estrogen antagonist. Dr John said it best when he described it as "all things male".

How to get DHT? DHT cream, or apply T cream (not gel) to your nuts. Transdermals in general produce more DHT than shots do, even when applied normally also so this is the first step.

The only thing you need to watch with DHT rising is your prostate and hair loss. Though I dont think DHT is completely responsible for hairloss either.

Whatever DHT does, it is important, as finasteride has shown us.

 

[ECTOmorph]

DHT is basically the real Testosterone. Testosterone is the male hormone in the muscular tissue, but in most other body parts (brain, organs, etc) DHT (a derivative of Test) is the male hormone.

Here's an article to explain it better
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I think the public perception of DHT is totally unjustified. E2 is now know to be more harmfull to the prostate whil DHT is actually being usd to help the prostate.

Personally my DHT is on the lower side, and my libido and erection strength/frequency is also on the lower side.

 

[anyman]

What about boosting DHT in lieu of full TRT?

DHT is basically the real Testosterone. Testosterone is the male hormone in the muscular tissue, but in most other body parts (brain, organs, etc) DHT (a derivative of Test) is the male hormone.

Here's an article to explain it better
Invalid Link Removed

I think the public perception of DHT is totally unjustified. E2 is now know to be more harmfull to the prostate whil DHT is actually being usd to help the prostate.

Personally my DHT is on the lower side, and my libido and erection strength/frequency is also on the lower side.

I too have diminished DHT and the same problems you do. Might we consider just applying a little T cream to the penis and/or scrotum to boost DHT? I wonder what this would do instead of full TRT. Is it possible that a DHT boost via direct application this way may make full TRT not necessary?

 

[ECTOmorph]

I too have diminished DHT and the same problems you do. Might we consider just applying a little T cream to the penis and/or scrotum to boost DHT? I wonder what this would do instead of full TRT. Is it possible that a DHT boost via direct application this way may make full TRT not necessary?

Is your T low as well (without taking test)?

 

[MarkLA]

I'd be curious on more info too. My T is very low, but my DHT is higher than the range..

Mark

 

[anyman]

Yup. Only on HCG so far. No TRT---yet. (m)

Is your T low as well (without taking test)?

I am now seeing Dr Shippen and am trying to see how much of my natural abilities can be saved or regenerated. Havn't started external T yet, although such will likely happen in time. I've noted low DHT and have read in several places that direct application to the penis/scrotum can boost dht. What I do not know is how much, how often and if such can supplement--or even replace TRT. Of course, if DHT goes up, then hair loss may take place.

Much to think about and research. Any comments, ideas, discussion or more?

 

[jaydee]

I too have diminished DHT and the same problems you do. Might we consider just applying a little T cream to the penis and/or scrotum to boost DHT? I wonder what this would do instead of full TRT. Is it possible that a DHT boost via direct application this way may make full TRT not necessary?

Im no expert on this stuff, but I figure any input at all is better than nothing. If you apply a little T cream to the penis or the scrotum, I would think that your HPTA will shut down anyway to a point. It would be like having mid range testosterone and trying to "just apply a little bit to make up the difference"....it wouldnt work. Your levels will just blance themselves out again to where they were or make your T lower. I could be wrong....but this is my understanding of it.

To my knowledge applying to the genitals too much can cause atrophy. Every second or third day....not every day. So if this is true, then you wouldnt be able to just replace TRT with applying it to your genitals anyway. How much the boost is would be different for everyone. Janz for instance gets a good boost from applying to his nuts. But I suspect that guys who have done finasteride dont convert to DHT as well as they did before finasteride so you might just be peeing into the wind. You might need an external source of DHT and even that might not work. But all you can do is try or you will never know.

 

[jaydee]

I'd be curious on more info too. My T is very low, but my DHT is higher than the range..

Mark

If I were you I would get a urine DHT test if you havent done so already. It may tell a different story. Any finasteride use with you?

 

[MarkLA]

If I were you I would get a urine DHT test if you havent done so already. It may tell a different story. Any finasteride use with you?

I am pending some urine results, but they don't include DHT. What were you thinking? Does DHT vary alot throughout the day?

I did use Finasteride. It was about 5 years ago and only for a couple of months. I figured this might be related, but my DHT is high, not low..

Appreciate your thoughts..

Mark

 

[jaydee]

Well some people can have high DHT on a blood test, but low DHT on a urine test. The general rule is that blood DHT levels on their own are not accurate enough because you still my not have enough 5 AR activity throughout your body, which is what I understand urine DHT tests measure.

Yes, the finasteride is a concern, not matter how long you took it...

 

[anyman]

Why is Finistaride not banned?

Yes, the finasteride is a concern, not matter how long you took it...

Seems to me that a substance which can cause so many evil side effects should be banned, or at least HUGE warnings about permanent limp penis syndrome be mandated.

 

[JanSz]

I am pending some urine results, but they don't include DHT. What were you thinking? Does DHT vary alot throughout the day?

I did use Finasteride. It was about 5 years ago and only for a couple of months. I figured this might be related, but my DHT is high, not low..

Appreciate your thoughts..

Mark

The charts are for 200mg T enanthate every two weeks, but you can get idea of variability.
My reading on DHT, if one is on E3D the variability is negligible.
With weekly shots, I would read (50-80), (80-50)/50=0.6 ; 60% variability