Can a pro hormone or sarm hinder effects of AAS?

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Hey yall,

I asked a fairly respectable youtuber his thoughts a on a product im looking to add to anavar or dbol as my finishers on a test cycle and i got a response that essentially said “taking that pro hormone could ruin the effects of the oral”

Bare in mind this was just a 1/4 andro stack in ine pill. Is that possible or is the guy blowing smoke?

One would think the more you stack the better. Im definetly going to use var ir dbol as my finisher *depending on on how physique looks in two weeks* but really want to throw something more into the mix and my buddy will sell me the 1/4 andro for pennies on the dollar
 

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Hey yall,

I asked a fairly respectable youtuber his thoughts a on a product im looking to add to anavar or dbol as my finishers on a test cycle and i got a response that essentially said “taking that pro hormone could ruin the effects of the oral”

Bare in mind this was just a 1/4 andro stack in ine pill. Is that possible or is the guy blowing smoke?

One would think the more you stack the better. Im definetly going to use var ir dbol as my finisher *depending on on how physique looks in two weeks* but really want to throw something more into the mix and my buddy will sell me the 1/4 andro for pennies on the dollar
I personnally wouldnt run dbol on the tail end of a cycle. I prefer to be cleaning up my cycle towards the end. I would go anavar or winny instead. What sarms were you thinking of running? How many weeks left in ur cycle? What r ur goals and stats. Without this info i have no idea how to evaluate
 

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I think this idea comes from the theory of multiple compounds competing for receptors. I havent looked too much into this so im not sure if this is fact, myth, or just speculation. Just throwing that out there haha
 

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I also think its the reasoning behind a lot of people choosing to keep test relatively low in a cycle, while dosing other compounds high. (Like low test high tren, or low test high deca)

Regardless, im also interested in what the more knowledgable guys think about your question.
 

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Hey yall,

I asked a fairly respectable youtuber his thoughts a on a product im looking to add to anavar or dbol as my finishers on a test cycle and i got a response that essentially said “taking that pro hormone could ruin the effects of the oral”

Bare in mind this was just a 1/4 andro stack in ine pill. Is that possible or is the guy blowing smoke?

One would think the more you stack the better. Im definetly going to use var ir dbol as my finisher *depending on on how physique looks in two weeks* but really want to throw something more into the mix and my buddy will sell me the 1/4 andro for pennies on the dollar
It’s not right to say the more you stack the better, you hit a point of diminishing returns where you won’t gain anything more but the sides will increase.

That said, I’m struggling to see how adding a 1/4 Andro stack to var and test would take away from the cycle. Competition for the same receptors could be an issue and as the 4 Andro converts to test that’s not gonna do a lot. They’d also be overshadowed as the test and var or dbol would be much stronger so I don’t think personally there is much point in adding them but I’m also not seeing it would negatively affect the oral.....
 
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IMO you shouljust take more dbol or var.

Probably won’t hurt your gains, but if I had to guess not worth the money spent
 
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TRT dosage + 50mg Anavar + 75mg Hdrol is working out amazingly well!
 
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I think this idea comes from the theory of multiple compounds competing for receptors. I havent looked too much into this so im not sure if this is fact, myth, or just speculation. Just throwing that out there haha
I also think its the reasoning behind a lot of people choosing to keep test relatively low in a cycle, while dosing other compounds high. (Like low test high tren, or low test high deca)

Regardless, im also interested in what the more knowledgable guys think about your question.
Just combining here. First part is correct, and is probably a little bit of fact and a little bit of speculation. However I am just speculating! ;)

The second part with Tren anyway is that it tend to reduce the side effects if you run your testosterone lower, or that is the concensus.
IMO you shouljust take more dbol or var.

Probably won’t hurt your gains, but if I had to guess not worth the money spent
This!

TRT dosage + 50mg Anavar + 75mg Hdrol is working out amazingly well!
I am willing to bet 100mg anavar would blow that out the water with hardly any sides though. Still looks like a very nice run!!!!

Here is my take from what I understand about this stuff.

If you are running a multiple compounds and one of them has a higher affinity to the Androgen Receptor but is actually a weaker steroid or compound then yes it is probably going to hinder your gains at least slightly. If the stronger compound can not bind to the AR because the weaker compound has bound to it, then it can not take action on it.

There is very likely more to it, and I used to be more familiar with the process, but feel like I am forgetting something else here...
Old Witch You care to chime in? You seem to know a lot about this stuff?
 

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In for info... I’m really really curious about it as well. Hope OW will join in
 
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A lot of good input here. He said he would give me the 1/4 for legit 10 bucks for roughly $180 worth of prohormones because has done so many cycles it wont do jack for him.

I like the responses of cleaning up with var or winny. Im on a bulk cycle and dont really want to be cut right now per se, im trying to get as much mass as i can because i am cutting HARD come late May/ early June.

It seems the consenses is, it will likely not do much to take the andros except probably increase side effects of orals. I LOVED var and was blown away by the strength gain, im suprised nobody ever talks about this. I ran at 30-40 mg before *cant recall*, maybe ill run at 60-70 mg and see how it works for a bulk eating a ton.
 
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Sorry fellas I’ve been really, really sick, and not missing my work shifts either. I have tomorrow morning off so I thought I’d take a break from puking my guts out to hang out on here awhile.

No, this concept is patently ludicrous. Your body will even CREATE more androgen receptors if it needs them. It takes a sincerely massive dose, multiple grams, of active androgenic hormones in serum to fully saturate the body.

In the case of tren, it actually damages androgen receptors because it binds so fully.

Certain compounds may block others, this is true, however those are well known and marketed hormone blocking drugs. Finasteride, exemestane, ATD Etc.
 
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To make this clear, there is only one kind of receptor for androgens. The androgen receptor. They all compete for these. If they fully blocked each other, stacking compounds would not work at all. Each androgen receptor can accept more than one androgen at a time.
 
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Sorry fellas I’ve been really, really sick, and not missing my work shifts either. I have tomorrow morning off so I thought I’d take a break from puking my guts out to hang out on here awhile.

No, this concept is patently ludicrous. Your body will even CREATE more androgen receptors if it needs them. It takes a sincerely massive dose, multiple grams, of active androgenic hormones in serum to fully saturate the body.

In the case of tren, it actually damages androgen receptors because it binds so fully.

Certain compounds may block others, this is true, however those are well known and marketed hormone blocking drugs. Finasteride, exemestane, ATD Etc.
To make this clear, there is only one kind of receptor for androgens. The androgen receptor. They all compete for these. If they fully blocked each other, stacking compounds would not work at all. Each androgen receptor can accept more than one androgen at a time.
Thanks Brother, I wasn't sure, but figured you might know.
 

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