Bulk P-Slin MassMonster shake Discussion!

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Was part 2 of the STAIR protocol posted yet? Is there an expected date of posting?


not yet but the concept is that ALL other meals are Fat and protein and minimal carbs(10grams). Green fiberous vegetebales do NOT count as carbs.


Once you consume the MASS MONSTER shake, your muscles will be primed and sensitive to the insulin release
 
I think the comob of WMS and malto is redundant and the Stair protocol is about keeping insulin steady instead of peaking and falling so that is why we combine Complex carbs with the protocol..

But you can still use the above protocol its all about experiementation.


i tryed it today, i didnt get any "pumps" or anything. but i dont have any complex carb powder, malto dextrin is supposedly a complex carb, although it has faster gastric emptying then dextrose.
 
i tryed it today, i didnt get any "pumps" or anything. but i dont have any complex carb powder, malto dextrin is supposedly a complex carb, although it has faster gastric emptying then dextrose.


Correct Malto is complex in structure but spikes insulin quicker than dextrose.
 
Correct Malto is complex in structure but spikes insulin quicker than dextrose.


so in your opinion what should i do if i only have malto and waxy maize,

and do you think that 400mg pslin with the glucose metabolic support supp by NOW, would be enough?
 
so in your opinion what should i do if i only have malto and waxy maize,

and do you think that 400mg pslin with the glucose metabolic support supp by NOW, would be enough?


Yes instead of a shake eat a big carb meal 2 hours before the workout and after and use 400mgs of Pslin with each meal.
 
I have malto, WMS, and am thinking about getting dextrose (but I hate that it is so damn sickeningly sweet), plus I have oatmeal. I like malto the best because it's as cheap as dextrose but not so sweet. I also like oats the best b/c they are cheap and more complex. WMS does keep me leaner than Malto/Dextrose though imo. Sooooo anyway, can I get by with just malto and oats or is it ideal to have dextrose and/or WMS?
 
I have malto, WMS, and am thinking about getting dextrose (but I hate that it is so damn sickeningly sweet), plus I have oatmeal. I like malto the best because it's as cheap as dextrose but not so sweet. I also like oats the best b/c they are cheap and more complex. WMS does keep me leaner than Malto/Dextrose though imo. Sooooo anyway, can I get by with just malto and oats or is it ideal to have dextrose and/or WMS?


Malto and oats works..

would be difficult to drink oats during a workout because of digestibility so it would be best used pre and post not intra.
 
I solve this problem by throwin in the oats first dry and blend them to a powder. :thumbsup:


sooo how much oats? 50g worth or 60 g worth and use the waxy as the other half?

or maybe i can continue what im doing and take the insulean k and glucose metabolic support 15 min prior to beginning to drink the MMS
 
not yet but the concept is that ALL other meals are Fat and protein and minimal carbs(10grams). Green fiberous vegetebales do NOT count as carbs.


Once you consume the MASS MONSTER shake, your muscles will be primed and sensitive to the insulin release

Sounds cool. When do you think part 2 will be up, so we can have one full article to share?
 
Just took my first MassMonster Shake pre/peri/post workout today. And all I can say is WOW. I'm pretty damn impressed. I added in the following:

800mg Bulk P-slin
25oz Grape G2 Gatorade (mainly for the flavor)
45g Grape Substance WPI
45g WMS
30g Dextrose
30g Maltodextrin
5g Beta Alanine
5g Creatine Monohydrate
4.5g Citrulline Malate
5g BCAAs

Had a great shoulder workout today. I didn't wanna leave the gym. Quick recovery after heavy sets. Only thing that kinda held me back, was the feeling that I was gonna projectile vomit everywhere... In order for it to look even remotely homogeneous, I had about a 60oz shake or so.... I consumed just under 1/4 pre-workout, maybe a bit more than 1/2 during and then finished what was left during cardio and the drive home...

I drank too much of the shaking during the workout huh?
 
Just took my first MassMonster Shake pre/peri/post workout today. And all I can say is WOW. I'm pretty damn impressed. I added in the following:

800mg Bulk P-slin
25oz Grape G2 Gatorade (mainly for the flavor)
45g Grape Substance WPI
45g WMS
30g Dextrose
30g Maltodextrin
5g Beta Alanine
5g Creatine Monohydrate
4.5g Citrulline Malate
5g BCAAs

Had a great shoulder workout today. I didn't wanna leave the gym. Quick recovery after heavy sets. Only thing that kinda held me back, was the feeling that I was gonna projectile vomit everywhere... In order for it to look even remotely homogeneous, I had about a 60oz shake or so.... I consumed just under 1/4 pre-workout, maybe a bit more than 1/2 during and then finished what was left during cardio and the drive home...

I drank too much of the shaking during the workout huh?


I found that with that much carbs in the shake, you need to keep shaking the sh1t out of it, otherwise a fair proportion settles on the bottom (I found out the hard way by going a little hypo)
 
Just took my first MassMonster Shake pre/peri/post workout today. And all I can say is WOW. I'm pretty damn impressed. I added in the following:

800mg Bulk P-slin
25oz Grape G2 Gatorade (mainly for the flavor)
45g Grape Substance WPI
45g WMS
30g Dextrose
30g Maltodextrin
5g Beta Alanine
5g Creatine Monohydrate
4.5g Citrulline Malate
5g BCAAs

Had a great shoulder workout today. I didn't wanna leave the gym. Quick recovery after heavy sets. Only thing that kinda held me back, was the feeling that I was gonna projectile vomit everywhere... In order for it to look even remotely homogeneous, I had about a 60oz shake or so.... I consumed just under 1/4 pre-workout, maybe a bit more than 1/2 during and then finished what was left during cardio and the drive home...

I drank too much of the shaking during the workout huh?


Yea, I say just sip on it during the workout like every 5 minutes take a sip...
 
would do anything extra to take the p-slin before and also during the workout?

Unless I am misunderstanding your question, the PSlin is taken both before and during the workout because the Mass Monster shake is consumed before and during workouts.
 
i know you guys are recommending 800mg of p-slin.

Is there any benefit to take more than this,or is there a certain level that the compound can raise insulin by.
 
i know you guys are recommending 800mg of p-slin.

Is there any benefit to take more than this,or is there a certain level that the compound can raise insulin by.
PSlin doesn't raise insulin, it merely potentiates the uptake of glucose into the cell.

I think 800mg is a very hefty dose, considering one PSlin only has 300mg in it! I have been dosing with bulk 20% corosolic acid so I can't give a straight comparison, however I don't think you need to go higher. Actually dosing that high for long might actually desensitize your receptors from my personal experiences (Long-term AP & PSlin use led to decreases positive benefits).
 
PSlin doesn't raise insulin, it merely potentiates the uptake of glucose into the cell.

I think 800mg is a very hefty dose, considering one PSlin only has 300mg in it! I have been dosing with bulk 20% corosolic acid so I can't give a straight comparison, however I don't think you need to go higher. Actually dosing that high for long might actually desensitize your receptors from my personal experiences (Long-term AP & PSlin use led to decreases positive benefits).

Thanks
 
Heads up guys..NP only recieved 4kgs and not sure when it will be back after this batch.
 
Can I/should I take my monster mass shake during rugby practice? (normally lasts 90mins) or take it like regular p slin 15 mins before a pre practice meal (around 60 mins before prac).
Gym based workouts are down to 2 a week now due to games and practices - both fullbody power and strength based, modified westside (sometimes a lil UB hyp on another day too) but still take MMS during gym sessions
will taking pslin 2-3 x PW yield results? or just take it every day i workout for recovery benefits?
 
I have a question.

I also take the NP's ultimate masspump stack. Should I just throw this in the massmonster shake, or continue taking it preworkout and starting massmonster 15-20 mins later?
 
Stair Protocol by Jacob Geissler BA Clinical Nutrition

In the past, we been brain washed into using High glycemic carbohydrates to spike insulin. I feel into this dogmatic train of thought because it was the common place approach preached in every magazine. Skinny, fat, or dilusional, the theory of insulin spiking was gospel.

Even with a degree is clinical nutrition (which does not prepare you for performance nutrition), I feel victim to the notion that without spiking insulin you are sacrificing a key component for muscle growth and recovery.

There where 2 signicant reasons why my approach has changed and evolved. Around 3 years ago, I joined AnabolicMinds to advertise our first product cAMPHIBOLIC, and the board was run by a crazy clown named Bodo that changed my philosphy on Post workout nutrition.

I gave this opioniated clown some cash for a program and followed his protocol. I was a big advocate of nutrition from the start. I was never one to push supplements before nutrition. I understood if the end users understood nutrition. He would really love my products. Once you understand how nutrition works for you individually, you can easily decipher which supplements work.

I will take this time to Thank Bobo whoes probably playing golf somewhere...I mean trying to play golf.
The huge difference from Bobo's protocol was that fat loss became much easier without injesting sugary carbohydrates Post workout...This was a big changing point in my physique. Remember Insulin is a storage hormone and when it's present fat loss is impossible (later I will try to convince most people that want to get lean not to eat every 3 hours but that is for another time).

The second huge leap in understanding insulin and dieting was when I developed (not just I but also a great mind that rather stay behind the scenes) Anabolic Pump. Again Remember when Insulin is present you cannot lose fat. Anabolic Pump allows you to eat carbohydrates in a super efficient way that requires less insulin secretion from the pancrease. The least amount of time that insulin is present in the blood system. We have a greater opportunity to lose fat while eating carbohydrates. This is beauty of Anabolic Pump.

People are stubborn and never want to change the dieting approach but you have too. The body adapts and change sparks a new cellular enviroment. Change was to be prescirbed and researched and the only way to be truly successful is by learning BASIC nutrition...Just basic nutrition and most could learn it in a few weeks.
We know Insulin is anabolic! The most anabolic substance in the world and if we can learn to manipulate it properly, we can harness the power when needed. Insulin is an inflammatory hormone and the more the pancrease secretes to deal with large sums of carbohyrates. The more likely you will become insulin resistant and run into inflammatory conditions that can later lead to pre diabetic conditions...but that are a whole other story.


instead of a huge peak in insulin by just using simple carbohydrates and fast digesting protein that leads to a subsequent fall in insulin. We are getting a Steady-state anabolic insulin response (**** that does not even spell stair..lol) by using a combonation of fast and slow releasing proteins and carbohydrates. We are getting a constant flow of Amino Acids and glucose to the muscle cells.

The reason we do not take P-Slin 15 minutes before the shake is because we WANT the pancrease to secret insulin big time and the synergy of P-Slin, Insulin and the INTENSE workout creates a super anabolic enviroment.

Now, if you are going to Pilates class and do not want to Train like a MACHINE. Please just ignore and erease everything you just read because this protocol allows you to train like an animal and recovery at an unheard of rate (especially if your supplement cycle is top notch).

The MassMonster shake is the ULTIMATE fuel to feeding the craziet workouts. Trust me if you love to grind it out in the gym, the MassMonster shake brings training enjoyment to a new level. The pump, the recovery, the strenght gains, and the intense energy will take your training to a new level.

You will be in biology thinking of the gym. You will go to sleep just to wake and train. You will be banging your girl and thinking of squats...okay, I'm lieing about the later. Results come fast with this protcol......FAST especially if you personalize the MassMonster Shake to your liking with supplements that you know work.

MassMonster Shake-Jacob Style!

The base Plus I mix in:
-Jacked (which is a stimulant that I been using for a long time that called Y-RD along with some other goodies..You can use stimulant of choice) Or Core Zap..Cannot go wrong with either but love the addition of sulbutiamine in Zap..Great formula.
-10 grams BCAAs mixed in MassMonster shake
I will take the below 30 minutes before the gym.
-2 Prime
-3 Powerfull (not for the HGH response but PowerFULL significantly increased dopamine and works in synergy with any stimulant. The combo of PowerFULL plus a stim allows you to control your muscle contractions on different level...the best Mind muscle connection guarnateed.
-1gram 50% EGCG
-20mgs of forskolin
-100mgs 5htp

Lets harnes the Power of Insulin in a way that will keep us super insulin senstive and healthy. As I age, my focus is trying to reverse the clock and keep a youthful body and mind as I age. But there is a weird misconception in the bodybuilding world that they must eat semi unhealthy and gorge on mass amounts of food (our food system is tainted) to gain muscle. Meaning we eat calorie dense foods not nutrient dense foods.

The Stair protocol is about gaining muscle, losing fat, and staying young!

Again my disclaimer, you need to learn nutrition and how your body reacts to food to modify the programs to fit your body. I will outline my routine that can be used a guide but you must come up with your blue print.

Morning Meal (currently is my preworkout meal in the stair protocol)
-Take 1 AP Wait 15 minutes and eat 20 grams of carbohydrates from raw oats, 30 grams whey protein mix of isolate, casien, and concentrate (human development technologies..Name is escaping me at the moment).
-1 grape fruit
-Mutli vitamin-3grams fishoil-2 Prime

Why use anabolic Pump with such a low dose of Carbohydrates? I want to become carbohydrate efficient and such a low amount of carboydrates, the pancrease probably only has to spit or drizzle some insulin out. The insulin response probably close to non existant with AP and 20-30grams of carbohydrates.

This is a teaser meal to boost metabolism and get ready for the Stair shake and proceeding workout.

The MassMOnster Shake II

The base of the shake is;

-800mgs bulk Plsin
-60grams SuperCarb by Avant labs(carb content can also change and agian start low and go high but remember our goal is to Make the pancrease shot out Insulin during this time)
-60grams of Dextrose, Maltodextrin, or Waxy maize starch
-20 grams of Whey Hydroslates (but you can use isolates and remember you can adjust ratios to your liking...always best to start low than go high).
-10 grams caisen (I just use 1.5 scoop of my HDT protein which has casien and isolate and jsut add one scoop of hydroslate)
-6 grams beta Alanine

Part two Coming monday

Hey Jacob: I am interested in hearing your view point on you comment above that I bolded. Can you discuss here or start a thread on this subject?

thanks man
 
-800mgs bulk Plsin
-60grams SuperCarb by Avant labs
-60grams of Dextrose, Maltodextrin, or Waxy maize starch
-20 grams of Whey Hydroslates.
-10 grams caisen
-6 grams beta Alanine




I'm working on a variation of the above listed shake -- anything I can substitute for the SuperCarb?

I'm doing one shake pre and one shake post workout... so basically the above split into 2 shakes. Is this efficient or should I just make it all into a PRE w/o shake?
 
-800mgs bulk Plsin
-60grams SuperCarb by Avant labs
-60grams of Dextrose, Maltodextrin, or Waxy maize starch
-20 grams of Whey Hydroslates.
-10 grams caisen
-6 grams beta Alanine




I'm working on a variation of the above listed shake -- anything I can substitute for the SuperCarb?

I'm doing one shake pre and one shake post workout... so basically the above split into 2 shakes. Is this efficient or should I just make it all into a PRE w/o shake?

I would split it into 2 shakes or I would start drinking it 30 to 45 minutes pre workout, sip during and finish after...that is how I did it.

I like the super carb but you can experiement with 120 grams Dextrose or malto..would be much cheaper...

Actually the more I think about it the going straight high glycemic may be the way to go...much more cost effective and based around the workouts, I do not see a huge difference in results.

The key is to keep carbohydrates low the rest of the day..
 
-800mgs bulk Plsin
-60grams SuperCarb by Avant labs
-60grams of Dextrose, Maltodextrin, or Waxy maize starch
-20 grams of Whey Hydroslates.
-10 grams caisen
-6 grams beta Alanine




I'm working on a variation of the above listed shake -- anything I can substitute for the SuperCarb?

I'm doing one shake pre and one shake post workout... so basically the above split into 2 shakes. Is this efficient or should I just make it all into a PRE w/o shake?

I would add creatine to the mix.
 
just got mine in over the weekend, i was surprised at how small a container it was. must be some pretty dense product packed away in there. i am excited to try it today with my pre workout meal.
 
Is it imperative to keep carbs low throughout the rest of the day though? I eat a lot of oats throughout the day as I like to constantly "sip" on oats/milk/whey/oliveoil mix. Will this cause the shake to have less effect?

Also it was a small container indeed - luckily I got a nice scale for Christmas that is +/- .01g. Perfect for stuff like this!
 
Is it imperative to keep carbs low throughout the rest of the day though? I eat a lot of oats throughout the day as I like to constantly "sip" on oats/milk/whey/oliveoil mix. Will this cause the shake to have less effect?

Also it was a small container indeed - luckily I got a nice scale for Christmas that is +/- .01g. Perfect for stuff like this!

Only imperative if goal is fat loss and muscle gain and if not, I would not use the amount of carbs around the workout....
 
Only imperative if goal is fat loss and muscle gain and if not, I would not use the amount of carbs around the workout....

thank you! So the goal of the massmonster shake in this case is recomp mainly? If I'm looking for building mass, would I be better off using the bulk pslin 2x a day at 400mg with 1x being around a smaller shake at workout time, and 1x maybe my morning oatmeal shake? Maybe I'll play around with it too.
 
thank you! So the goal of the massmonster shake in this case is recomp mainly? If I'm looking for building mass, would I be better off using the bulk pslin 2x a day at 400mg with 1x being around a smaller shake at workout time, and 1x maybe my morning oatmeal shake? Maybe I'll play around with it too.

Not really a recomp, The goal is to be super sensitize to insulin around workout time so limiting carbohydrates until workout time to maximize the anabolic effect of insulin while avoiding fat gain.

The goal is muscle gain with fat loss but it all depends...

Play around with it...And from time to time I would use a morning carb meal with plsin.

I have also used PSLIN 4 and sometimes up to 5 times a day and that is potent but you REALLY have to eat and some days scale back use to 2-3 times a day.
 
Regarding the question; I know Jacob has been talking about a specific nutrient timing that was shredding him up while gaining strength. I know nothing more about it but I just wanted to let you know that, according to him this nutrient timing is a great tool in the fat-loss game.

I will see if I can get anything more out of him.
 
Regarding the question; I know Jacob has been talking about a specific nutrient timing that was shredding him up while gaining strength. I know nothing more about it but I just wanted to let you know that, according to him this nutrient timing is a great tool in the fat-loss game.

I will see if I can get anything more out of him.

Thanks for the reply. anything you could get from him woud be great if it is working that well! I've been following along in the new USP powder threadsm so I know he's busy.

Maybe a new thread for this? I'm sure there would be lots of interest.
 
800mg PSlin
60g WMS
40g Oat Starch
1 scoop Intrabolic

How does this look for a intra shake with PSlin??? I will be having Whey Iso about thirty minutes post pwo, then my next scheduled meal an hour later.

I will be eating complex carbs (oats, sweet taters) through out the day. I have no real desire to keep carbs low right now. I typically consume between 200-300 complex carbs a day.

On my non training days I am planing on taking PSlin with breakfast (1-1/2cups oats + 1 cup blue berries) and then again in the afternoon (16oz Sweet potatoes). I've adjusted the amount of carbs drastically in these meals to account for the PSlin. Does this look ok?
 
800mg PSlin
60g WMS
40g Oat Starch
1 scoop Intrabolic

How does this look for a intra shake with PSlin??? I will be having Whey Iso about thirty minutes post pwo, then my next scheduled meal an hour later.

I will be eating complex carbs (oats, sweet taters) through out the day. I have no real desire to keep carbs low right now. I typically consume between 200-300 complex carbs a day.

On my non training days I am planing on taking PSlin with breakfast (1-1/2cups oats + 1 cup blue berries) and then again in the afternoon (16oz Sweet potatoes). I've adjusted the amount of carbs drastically in these meals to account for the PSlin. Does this look ok?

After giving this some more thought.....I will not dose the oats intra. That sounds like a stomach ache waiting to happen. It will be 120g WMS.
 
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