Brawn Nutrition LGD 4033 underdosed?

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I found a hint on a german site where they lab tested it:


„Inhaltsstoff in SARM: LGD deutlich unter deklarierter Menge“

Zero mass gains at 2 caps per day (8mg in total), but decent strenght gains.
 

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I found a hint on a german site where they lab tested it:


„Inhaltsstoff in SARM: LGD deutlich unter deklarierter Menge“

Zero mass gains at 2 caps per day (8mg in total), but decent strenght gains.
lol 8 mg per day is way underdosed (the dosage not the product) no wonder they didnt see much
 
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I didn't try to read it, but did they base their suspicion on what results someone got while running it (and 8 mg a day)? That's hardly "testing it". Or what did the lab test say?

Like Johnny said, 8 mg is very low.
 

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The results are mine and the finding that it contains less mg than what’s on the bottle is from them. Thus both things fit together
 

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The results are mine and the finding that it contains less mg than what’s on the bottle is from them. Thus both things fit together
it wasnt a full dose even if it had the amount it said in each capsule so not much of a test either way
 
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The results are mine and the finding that it contains less mg than what’s on the bottle is from them. Thus both things fit together
How much did the lab tests say there was LGD per capsule and how much Brawn claims there to be?

@Marne40 had a lab test Brawn Epistane one time, and it came out to be 8 mg per cap, when the bottle says 10 mg per cap. So not a huge surprise, if the LGD is underdosed as well. But if it contains LGD close to the given amount and nothing else, then that's actually a win really, when it comes to sarms. So many products out there underdosed and filled with other stuff in there and sometimes being something else entirely, when it comes to sarms.

But like stated several times here already, 8 mg of LGD wouldn't do much anyway. If used solo (or as the main anabolic), you want to take at least 20 mg a day.
 
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How much did the lab tests say there was LGD per capsule and how much Brawn claims there to be?

@Marne40 had a lab test Brawn Epistane one time, and it came out to be 8 mg per cap, when the bottle says 10 mg per cap. So not a huge surprise, if the LGD is underdosed as well. But if it contains LGD close to the given amount and nothing else, then that's actually a win really, when it comes to sarms. So many products out there underdosed and filled with other stuff in there and sometimes being something else entirely, when it comes to sarms.

But like stated several times here already, 8 mg of LGD wouldn't do much anyway. If used solo (or as the main anabolic), you want to take at least 20 mg a day.
Ya a couple milligrams off isn’t the end of the world. Especially when their bottles have 120 caps for a decent price (epistane, don’t know about their sarms pill counts). But like you said, there are other things being added to these products and you never really know what they are. Like in the instance of the lab results I was provided, the other two milligrams were an unknown substance that was possibly degraded epistane (which would be phera). Test results were inconclusive though, so it was just the tech and me guessing.
 

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never run epistane but very curious about it. however finding it in the US is a nada for me, and I still have concerns about buying from overseas. Does anyone have any input to help a guy out?
 
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never run epistane but very curious about it. however finding it in the US is a nada for me, and I still have concerns about buying from overseas. Does anyone have any input to help a guy out?
I've used epistane a few times and it is a great oral but you would probably be better off with a high dosed epiandro cycle because epistane is a harsh oral, it raises most peoples blood pressure a lot too.
 

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I've used epistane a few times and it is a great oral but you would probably be better off with a high dosed epiandro cycle because epistane is a harsh oral, it raises most peoples blood pressure a lot too.
thx, I already have BP issues so thats a no go.
 

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How much did the lab tests say there was LGD per capsule and how much Brawn claims there to be?

@Marne40 had a lab test Brawn Epistane one time, and it came out to be 8 mg per cap, when the bottle says 10 mg per cap. So not a huge surprise, if the LGD is underdosed as well. But if it contains LGD close to the given amount and nothing else, then that's actually a win really, when it comes to sarms. So many products out there underdosed and filled with other stuff in there and sometimes being something else entirely, when it comes to sarms.

But like stated several times here already, 8 mg of LGD wouldn't do much anyway. If used solo (or as the main anabolic), you want to take at least 20 mg a day.
I didnt read how much mg it really contained, but it sounded to be very underdosed.
 

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I didnt read how much mg it really contained, but it sounded to be very underdosed.
so you are posting as fact...........and you havent even read what you posted? lol smdh
 

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so you are posting as fact...........and you havent even read what you posted? lol smdh
it is clearly stated in the article that it is underdosed but i cannot see it anywhere there how much mg they actually found. so stop being unpolite
 
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Never had trouble with Brawn. Go to their website and they say they where to buy.
 

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never run epistane but very curious about it. however finding it in the US is a nada for me, and I still have concerns about buying from overseas. Does anyone have any input to help a guy out?
Hi

here is an review from a FR bodybuilder. I translate that about the FR luangage. If can help you.


Good evening everyone, after a long time, I decided to share with you the details of my Epistane treatment which took place from January to February 2017
For those who do not know the molecule, it is a pro-hormone, ie a "hidden" steroid, it becomes active during digestion. I would like to point out that this was my first cure, I wanted to start with a fairly light AAS.

Starting stats: 20 years old - 1m72 - 63kg - 12% BF
Products used: Epistane 20mg + Milk thistle + Liv52.DS
Duration of treatment: 4 weeks
Protocol used: 20mg ED for one week then 40mg for the last 3 weeks
PCT: 2 weeks of clomid at 50mg ED


DIET: 36% PROT / 44% Carbohydrates / 23% fat


Additional rest day dosage:
2 epistane capsules in the morning and at noon
5g creatine in the morning
5g of BCAAs in the morning
10g of glutamine in the morning
3 to 5g of taurine in the morning in case of cramp

NB: HC = carbohydrates
Breakfast :
- 1 ear caps

- 3g acetyl-L-carnitine
- 4 eggs – including 2 yolks (220kcal=22g of protein, 15g of lipids)
- 100g of oats (370kcal including 12g of protein, 56g of carbohydrates and 8g of lipids)

- 200ml of semi-skimmed milk (90kcal including 7g of protein, 9g of carbohydrates and 3g of lipids)
- 1 banana (90kcal including 1g of protein and 20g of carbohydrates)

Total= 770kcal | 42g protein |85g HC | 26g fat
Snack :


- 1 scoop whey

Total=115kcal | 20g protein | 4g HC | 2g fat
Lunch :

- 1 ear caps

- 250g of rice/pasta (310kcal including 8g of protein, 62g of carbohydrates and 1g of lipids)

- 150g of turkey/chicken breast (150kcal including 30g of protein, 3g of carbohydrates and 6g of fat)

- Green salad/mixed vegetables with olive oil (~40kcal including 2g of carbohydrates and 4g of lipids)

Total=500kcal |38g protein |67g HC |11g fat

Afternoon snack:

- 1 scoop of whey (2g of creatine + 5g of bcaa)
Total =115kcal | 20g protein | 4g HC | 2g fat

post-workout


- 1 scoop of whey (3g of creatine + 5g of bcaa+10g of glutamine)

- 1 cucumber

Total =115kcal | 20g protein | 4g HC | 2g fat

Dinner :

- 200g of rice/sweet potato (250kcal including 7g of protein, 50g of carbohydrates and 1g of lipids)

- 200g of Alaska pollock (80kcal including 32g of protein and 4g of lipids)

- Green salad/mixed vegetables with olive oil (~40kcal including 2g of carbohydrates and 4g of lipids)

Total=370kcal |39g protein | 56g HC |9g fat


TOTAL KCAL ~ 2000-2200kcal | 180g protein |220 HC | 52g fat

Or: 720kcal of protein | 880kcal of carbohydrates | 468kcal of fat


FEELING :
Week 1: None felt apart from a slight increase in strength at the end of the week, and the weight has not changed.
Week 2: The product worked!! An increase in perfs during training, space congestion and better vascularity, but a slight fatigue during the day.
Libido level, a significant increase was felt that week.
Week 3: Always as efficient in training, strong energy even at the end of training, muscle hardness, congestion and vascularity at the rendezvous.
The appearance of the body seems hard and drawn! Libido level, there is nothing to do with the previous week, a drop was felt but without being alarming.
Week 4: This last week, I couldn't do big workouts, they were lively and intense, 45min - 1h max, because on most exercises I sometimes had pain in my joints, and I didn't have Unfortunately, there are no safeguards for that.
Otherwise nothing more than week 3, except that I'm much drier than at the start of the cure, when I didn't have a lot of BF

Gains: +5kg -- 68kg -- 10% BF

2 weeks after my PCT:

Right after my PCT, it was the holidays, I had to go back home, I couldn't train so I didn't worry because my weight kept increasing, I who had a lot difficult to take, but I realized that it was not muscle but fat that I was taking. So I went up to 71kg, 2 weeks after my PCT.

I understood later that after a cure, this is the most important moment, you have to be very careful with the diet, even lowering the calories because the metabolism is slower than during and before a cure.
Well, we learn from our mistakes.

Conclusion :

A very good product to refine your body, a hard and dry appearance, no water retention for me, quite the contrary, I drank 3l of water a day, I felt like I constantly needed drink water.
PDS carried out before the cure, transaminases, testosterone tolal, cholesterol; RAS, I will write the results of the PDS, I will post the photos if some ask for them to see the difference pre-cure & post-cure.
I really "kiffé" the feeling of the epistane, afterwards it may be because I had never touched AAS, but hey, I keep a good impression of this molecule.

Next treatment planned:

Sustanon 500 + epistane 20mg

I will soon detail my cure on another diary, with a real follow-up during the cure, I was not able to do that
 

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