We have had this discussion before. There was a time when this company's SD was fire. I speak from personal experience. And this was last summer...and I know my orals. I cant vouch for them now. Buy a roidtest kit for 25 bucks and test yourself. IDK if thhey started making bunk gear in the last 9 months...but mine was certainly not bunck. Painful pumps, massive weight and strength gains...so I dont know. I can only speak of my experience with the company