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Black lion - vector

jrb_062 said:
Do you take anything that isn't BLR?
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Nope.
A multivitamin, fish oil. But no supps that would cause the effects Im seeing.
I had taken about 6 months off after a surgery. Got nice and skinnyfat. Dropped about 25lbs and regained it. Recomp.
Pretty amazing for something non steroidal.
 
You guys are cracking me up!
Just posted a before and after pic for my personal log. This pic was taken with a cell phone by my wife.
all I know is I'm very impressed with Vector.
 
Whisky said:
Destroys a wallet as well lol.

Honestly bro I really hope it lives up to the hype. If it does I’ll probably look to just run one strong cycle a year and use it the rest of the time to keep things moving. But you gotta agree lots of these type of products sadly don’t end up delivering (not suggesting BLR specifically, more the industry as a whole)
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Yah its bad bro.
I could write a list of products that had 0 effect that claimed to deliver things so far fetched its insane.
Im doing everything I can to keep my side of the street clean. Its all I can do.
BLR products=
Ultra high grade ingredients.
Unique ingredients not used by others (people try but we are....careful with labeling) ;)
Our products work.
And finally the vast majority of people who try our products are happy afterward with the purchase.
 
Yeah I can't see a difference. The picture looks closer than the initial one, that's it.

Whiskey, 12lbs of "lean" mass would absolutely be noticable, fat, glycogen or muscle.
 
aovereem said:
Caloric surplus and progressive overload yields results? That is surprising....
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Whats interesting is that I have to tell people this.....
Im sure you can imagine there are alot of lazy people out there looking for a pill that will let them do nothing and get into shape. ALOT of them exist.
So, we get people who take a product and do nothing but sit on their ass and eat cheetoes and or they just continue to do what they have always done.
3 sets of 10 at 100lbs or whatever for years on end.
What changes.
You guessed it...nothing.


Over the years I have been a human experiment. Ive tried most PEDs, at least when I used to bodybuild. These days I stick to natural stuff or nothing.
The point is when running a stack of steroids only a moron sits there and does nothing.
I used to document every single aspect.
Calories in, calories burned.
Water intake.
Supplements.
Sleep.
And especially training. We would progressively increase and set goals every week. I was able to add 100lbs of lean mass to my body from the start to my largest. I also know guys who have run dozens of cycles and never passed the 200lb mark. Or worse the 175lb mark. STEROID USERS.
So its not surprising that supplement users are similar or worse. Steroid users are often willing to do whatever it takes.

Its also very difficult to continue to increase your numbers week after week without supplementation of some kind. You hit plateaus quickly, especially if your experienced. Vector allows you to continue to make gains where a normal guy will have stalled.
If you eat and lift heavy will you make gains? Yup.
If you eat and lift heavy and take Vector will the gains be greatly improved? Yup.
 
grocker said:
This is why I don't change a thing when I try a new supplement. I like to see what it does with my current program and diet.

That being said, the only days I get my maintenance calories or more are on weekends. Most days I stay below maintenance and somehow I managed to gain 2.5 lbs and lost some bf on my ab area with only 1 jar of vector. I've been off vector for a week and I have not lost those 2.5 lbs.

Imo, vector is a win for me. Don't care what anyone else says.
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This is a good example.
At maintenance calories or below. 2.5lbs gain.
Now imagine if you had adhered to the guidelines I set out in my previous post.

Big increases in calories and bit increases in weight and reps. 10lbs is not hard to imagine.
 
user567 said:
And all these gains are coming from what? Lets see the hormonal change in the blood tests. Love all these vlogs that claim great gains but there is no science to back it up. What mechanism is occurring to produce said gains?
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Just for the sake of people reading Im going to post some of the ingredient writeups.
This way you can see whats in the product and why its working.

VECTOR ingredient 1 data-ERIOBOTRYA J

February 6, 2018

ERIOBOTRYA JAPONICA -1000mg/100:1 extract.
Eriobotrya Japonica (EJ) or Loquat is a fruiting plant commonly used for food, added to alcholic beverages and sometimes used for health and longevity. EJ contains a host of interesting chemicals with a number of effects that are beneficial to those looking to build muscle, burn fat or increase athletic performance. Loquat for bodybuilders? On the surface EJ doesnt seem to be super exciting but nothing could be further from the truth. There have been a number of studies indicating that the proper extract at a high enough dose can lead to gains in muscle mass, strength and fat loss. Studies indicate EJ Increases the expression of myogenic genes MyoD, Myogenin and MyHC. This increased expression corresponds with an increase in the activity of Creatine Kinase a myogenic differentiation marker. Finally EJ activates the AKT/mTOR pathway and subsequently promotes muscle protein synthesis and a gain in lean muscle mass. In studies EJ was shown to prevent muscle atrophy and increase muscle hypertrophy so its great if your cutting and want to preserve muscle and its great if you want to bulk.


AKT/Mtor
Akt is known as effector of insulin/IGF-1 signalling and it can induce muscle hypertrophy through a pathway involving rapamycin-sensitive mTOR.
mTOR regulates PGC-1a expression, which is a key regulator of mitochondria biogenesis, and the expression of PGC-1a has been implicated in the control of skeletal muscle mass. The activation of the Akt/mTOR pathway and its downstream targets, p70S6K and PHAS-1/4E-BP1, is requisitely involved in regulating skeletal muscle fiber size. Acute AKT activation also leads to a decrease in adipose tissue (fat loss)

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The pathways that are sufficient to induce hypertrophy in skeletal muscle have been the subject of some controversy. We describe here the use of a novel method to produce a transgenic mouse in which a constitutively active form of Akt can be inducibly expressed in adult skeletal muscle and thereby demonstrate that acute activation of Akt is sufficient to induce rapid and significant skeletal muscle hypertrophy in vivo, accompanied by activation of the downstream Akt/p70S6 kinase protein synthesis pathway. Upon induction of Akt in skeletal muscle, there was also a significant decrease in adipose tissue. These findings suggest that pharmacologic approaches directed toward activating Akt will be useful in inducing skeletal muscle hypertrophy and that an increase in lean muscle mass is sufficient to decrease fat storage."

MyHC
Myosin heavy-chain synthesis rate is correlated with measures of muscle strength, circulating insulin-like growth factor 1 and
dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate in men and women and free testosterone levels in men.

MyoD
both MyoD and myogenin genes are necessary in the regenerative process for the proliferation of satellite cells (myoblasts) and for the development of early regenerating fibers (myotubes). The expression of Myod is sufficient to convert a fibroblast to a skeletal muscle cell,





Lower doses or the incorrect extraction process has been shown to be ineffective so the extraction process is very important with EJ. So lets dig into whats inside the plant itself.
Just a short list of the chemical constituents of EJ-

Epicatechin
Ursolic acid
Chlorogenic acid
Corosolic acid
Oleanolic acid
Caffeic acid
Procyanidin B2
Protocatechuic acid
Ferulic acid
Tormentic acid
Naringenin
Ellagic acid
EGCG
Quercetin

This is a pretty impressive list of actives. Lets take a look at what some of these do.

Epicatechin.
EJ doesnt have as much epicatechin as something like cocoa or green tea but there is still a decent amount. Its estimated that there is about 150mg per 100g in cocoa and there is about 60mg in EJ so a little less than half. None the less there is enough that epicatechin will be active especially with Narinigenin, EGCG and quercetin in the mix as these all increase the absorption of epicatechin. Lets think of epicatechin as sort of a bonus.

Ursolic acid.
There is a decent dose in here at upwards of 150mg estimated per daily dose of our EJ extract but Ursolic acid is also a major constituent of another of Vectors ingredents giving us approx 300mg + of Ursolic acid per dose. Ursolic acid orally has been show in studies to increase muscle mass, Increase strength, Increase brown fat, Increase glucose utilization and increase exercise capacity. Its been stated that UA is not viable orally but I think I disagree and it seems as though studies also indicate that it is orally active although it has a very poor absorption rate. High doses are required and studies indicate 300+ should be enough orally to produce the desired results.

Corosolic acid.
Corosolic acid is a GDA generally extracted from Banaba (lagerstroemia speciosa) but a significant amount is present in Eribotrya J. Corosolic acid works orally at relatively low doses and has some interesting effects. Even doses of 10mg are viable to display its impressive effects. Most people have heard of Corosolic acid for its glucose effects as it is a major GDA. Corosolic acid can help to keep glucose down with multiple mechanisms of action. Glut4 translocation, reduced insulin resistance as well as all kinds of enzymatic suppression and or expression.
-Corosolic acid has been shown to reduce cholesterol levels and enhance lipid metabolism.
-Corosolic acid is also a great fat burner not only through antidiabetic effects but also by retarding absorption of fatty acids.
-Corosolic acid is a potent and selective inhibitor of the enzyme (11-beta hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type 1) that converts inactive cortisone to active cortisol. Therefore, corosolic acid may prevent excessive cortisol production.
Overall Corosolic acid is one of Vectors great components. Increased Glucose uptake into muscles, decreased blood sugar, increased insulin sensitivity, increased fat utilization and decreased fat diposition plus decreased cortisol make Corosolic a powerhouse.

Oleanolic acid
Oleanolic acid (OA) is a constituent of Olea Europea, Viscum Album and Eriobotrya japonica as well as others.
Its long been used in Chinese medicine for treatment of liver disorders and other ailments. OA increases glucose utilization, is a solid vasodilator and increases expression of the AKT pathway.

Protocatechuic acid
Insulin like activity by activating PPAPy.
Decreases ROS
Antiageing
Anti inflammatory
Antiseptic
analgesic
GLUT4 upregulation
Antioxidant
Protects the testes from damage and stress
Cardio protective

Caffeic acid
Increased exercise capacity
Reduced Blood Lactate
Increased fat loss
Endurance

Ferulic acid, 4-hydroxy-3-methoxycinnamic acid, is one of the most ubiquitous phenolic acids, found in the
bran of grasses such as wheat, rice, and oats. It belongs to the family of plant hydroxycinnamic acids, which
include caffeic acid, sinapic acid, and p-coumaric acid. Recent studies have provided evidence that ferulic acid reduces the risk of disease, including
Alzheimer’s disease, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, and colon cancer. Currently, ferulic acid is used to enhance athletic
performance, both in humans and racehorses. Supplementation by it has been found to increase muscle strength in weight lifters.

In one animal study a single acute administration of Ferulic acid increased swimming time by 170%.
Ferulic acid prevented the decrease in catalase, superoxide dismutase and protected against the depletion of GST activity induced by exhaustive
exercise.
Exercise can be associated with oxidative stress. Thus exercise can act as a powerful source of Reactive Oxygen Species, depending on duration and intensity. During exhaustive exercise, fat is typically used as the primary energy source, thus sparing glycogen stores, which in turn retards fatigue. However, during strenuous exercise substantial production of ROS occurs via beta oxidation during the utilization of fat.
In addition, a dramatic increase in oxygen consumption in the body creates an imbalance between ROS and the antioxidant defense system resulting in fatigue.
Acute adminstration of Ferulic acid prevents fatigue, increases endurance and protects the body during exhaustive exercise.

Chlorogenic acid
CA often reffered to as green coffee extract is widely known for its antiobesity effects via PPARa agonism and by preventing proliferation of new fat cells. CA can increase muscular glucose uptake both by stimulating Non insulin dependent AMPK as well as stimulating pAKt. Great for keeping bodyfat off while promoting muscle growth.

Tormentic acid
Anti diabetic
Glut4
AMPK





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1.Loquat leaf extract enhances myogenic differentiation, improves muscle function and attenuates muscle loss in aged rats.
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2.Loquat (Eriobotrya japonica) extract prevents dexamethasone-induced muscle atrophy by inhibiting the muscle degradation pathway in Sprague Dawley rats.
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3.Effect of Loquat Leaf Extract on Muscle Strength, Muscle Mass, and Muscle Function in Healthy Adults: A Randomized, Double-Blinded, and Placebo-Controlled Trial
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4.Ethanol Extract of Eriobotrya japonica Leaves Enhanced Swimming Capacity in Mice
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5.Cell Suspension Culture of Eriobotrya japonica Regulates the Diabetic and Hyperlipidemic Signs of High-Fat-Fed Mice
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VECTOR ingredient #2 Data= KOREAN MISTLETOE

February 24, 2018

Korean mistletoe (Viscum album coloratum) 1000mg @ 100:1 extract.
(KME)is a semi-parasitic plant that grows on various trees and has a diverse range of effects on biological functions. KME has been shown to have anti-tumor, immunostimulatory, anti-diabetic, and anti-obesity properties. Of interest to us as athletes KME has been reported to increase strength, muscle mass and improve overall exercise capacity. Of course we love to hear this but these days we want to know how and why so lets explore how KME works.

MUSCLE MASS
One of the primary goals of the bodybuilder is muscle mass and we know of many things that lead to increased skeletal muscle. Anabolic androgenic steroids are the first things most people think of and for good reason. Anabolic steroids are wonderfully effective and can help you reach levels of muscularity that are just not possible without them. These gains, however, are not without their costs. Anabolic steroids lead to a host of disease states and health issues along with their status as illegal drugs. This makes them less than ideal for most people. Of course there are designer steroids and prohormones and SARMS but these too have their negatives.
There has to be a solution.
Its been largely demonstrated that nature is a beast of a pharmaceutical lab. Its hard to deny nature as we see that many of the drugs we use come from plants, including most narcotics, chemo meds, nootropics etc. Why then are there not fantastic anabolic agents in nature? There are.
KME has been in use as a health agent for ages. Scientists speculated that KME may be anabolic in vivo and a number of clinical studies were conducted to validate this hypothesis. KME has been proven to not only prevent muscle atrophy but also to promote skeletal muscle hypertrophy. This is important because it means that KME both increases muscle growth and prevents muscle which makes it an ultra strong muscle mass building ingredient. Mice Fed KME for 4 weeks showed increases in muscle mass and grip strength. The research indicated multiple factors leading to this result not least of which is the well known AKT/mTOR pathway. Rats fed KME showed increased whole body weight, larger quadriceps and greatly increased strength. It was therefore determined that KME is anabolic as it directly leads to larger stronger muscles. In addition to greater muscle fiber area and diameter KME fed mice showed incredible increases in endurance and exercise capacity making KME an ideal candidate for use in physique, strength and endurance athletes.

ENDURANCE/EXERCISE.
KME has been shown to decrease fatigue and increase endurance. Increased mitochondrial oxygen consumption and the increased expression of PPARy lead to increases of up to 212% in forced swim tests. KME reduces plasma ammonia levels, improves fuel utilization and enhances exercise performance. In one study researchers adminstered endurance capacity tests. KME fed animals ran TWICE AS FAR as their high fat diet only counterparts which is frankly amazing 100% increases in endurance is like no other natural anabolic currently available.


FAT LOSS
A big part of what makes anabolic steroids appealing is the ability to build muscle while losing fat. This is the Holy Grail of bodybuilding. Fat loss while building muscle.
In a 15 week experiment KME was fed to animals along with a high fat diet. Around week 9 it became evident that the KME fed animals were gaining less weight with no differences in the amount of food taken in. At the end of the experiment the KME fed animals had 20% less bodyfat than their high fat diet only animals and when tested it was determined that the loss was adipose tissue. KME increases thermogenesis and nearly triples the amount of UCP1 (uncoupling protein 1), a principal thermogenic mitochondrial molecule related to energy dissipating in subcutaneous fat. To demonstrate the inhibitory mechanism of KME on fat cells adipogenic factors were studied. They measured the expression levels of the transcription factors PPAR, C/EBP-a, and SREBP-1c in 3T3-L1 cells treated with KME. The results show that PPAR-, C/EBP-a, and SREBP-1c mRNA levels were decreased by 64%, 60%, and 32%, respectively. Finally they also measured the mRNA expression levels of adipogenic enzymes, such as FAS, ACS, and ACC. These adipogenic enzymes were reduced by 69%, 55%, and 22%. Overall the research indicated that adipogenic factors were decreased by 89% compared to that of untreated cells giving KME an unprecidented level of fat loss power for something that is also incredibly anabolic.

EFFECTS ON HORMONES.
KME has been shown to have a significant impact on the HPTA. KME leads to increased Leutinizing hormone, increased Testosterone and decreased prolactin.
This in turn makes VECTOR great for all purposes. Good alone, stacked, even during PCT.

Just a few of KME's MOAs=

AKT/mTOR
In adult skeletal muscle the akt/mTOR signaling pathway is currently recognized as the major pathway regulating protein synthesis.
VECTOR activates this pathway and in turn increases protein synthesis and muscle mass.

LH
increased leutinizing hormone leads to a significant increase in testosterone levels.

Atrogin 1-
Atrogin-1 is induced in response to myostatin/TGF-b signalling leading to muscle atrophy. Atrogin-1 and MuRF-1 have been identified as important enzymes in ubiquitin-mediated proteolysis and muscle atrophy, and modulating their expression via physical activity or targeting the upstream cytokines and growth factors that regulate their expression has the potential to prevent or reverse muscle atrophy. A reduction in Atrogin 1 prevents loss of muscle. This then makes VECTOR great at helping you hold onto muscle while dieting as its anabolic, anti catabolic and increases fat burning.

SMAD2/3
Both myostatin and TGF-ß are held in an inactive form in the muscle extracellular matrix, and when activated, bind to their receptors and activate Smad2/3. Generally speaking we want to see SMAD 2 and 3 drop while seeing an increase in SMAD 7. This is what we see with KME/VECTOR.


REFS:
1.- Korean mistletoe (Viscum album coloratum) extract regulates gene expression related to muscle atrophy and muscle hypertrophyhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5251312/
2.- Atrogin-1, MuRF-1, and sarcopenia
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3.- Korean mistletoe (Viscum album coloratum) extract improves endurance capacity in mice by stimulating mitochondrial activity.
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4.- A combination of Korean mistletoe extract and resistance exercise retarded the decline in muscle mass and strength in the elderly: A randomized controlled trial
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VECTOR ingredient #3 Rehmannaie Radix extract

March 3, 2018

VECTOR ingredient 3 DATA.
Rehmannaie radix. (RR)
RR is the third and final ingredient in VECTOR the next generation of natural anabolics. RR contains within some of the most interesting anabolic substances Ive seen and has a host of effects and properties that are of interest to us as athletes. RR has been used for aeons in ancient medicine but recently it has been demonstrated to have more than just health benefits. RR is an exceptional for performance enhancement, muscle mass building, strength and fat loss. Lets explore why.

CATALPOL-
Catalpol is approx 11% of the dry weight of the Rehemannaie plant. In a strong extract like the one used in VECTOR percentages can be much higher. Think of Catalpol as.....natural Doping. I see this could be hard to wrap your head around so let me explain-
Here is a quote from a study regarding the use of genes for doping.

"the advance of gene therapy has opened the door to the possibility of using genetic manipulation (GM) to enhance athletic performance. In such 'gene doping', exogenous genetic sequences are inserted into a specific tissue, altering cellular gene activity or leading to the expression of a protein product. The exogenous genes most likely to be utilized for gene doping include erythropoietin (EPO), vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF), insulin-like growth factor type 1 (IGF-1), myostatin antagonists, and endorphin. However, many other genes could also be used, such as those involved in glucose metabolic pathways."

So they are saying in essence that by targeting these specific factors an athlete could augment themselves and become sort of a super human. Interestingly Catalpol targets most of these and more. EPO, VEGF, IGF1, Beta endorphins. Augmenting these can lead to MAJOR increases in muscle mass, athletic performance and fat loss.

Catalpol increases EPO-
EPO has been used by athletes (illegally in most cases) to increase performance for decades. Well known for its use in cycling EPO when injected or when it is increased through other means leads to huge increases in overall performance. EPO increases red blood cells which in turn carries more oxygen to muscles. VO2Max is increased, overall power output is increased, time to exhaustion is increased. These boosts give the athlete a huge advantage in competition but also for those who are not competitors it allows for the same improvements making your everyday Clark Kent into more of a Superman. When combined with RRs second chemical constieunt, a strong vasodilator we have GREATLY improved performance as the oxygen rich overabundance of red blood cells are pumped through wide open blood vessels.

VEGF
Vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF) is a major regulator of blood vessel formation during development and in the adult organism. Recent evidence indicates that this factor also plays an important role in sustaining the proliferation and differentiation of different cell types, including progenitor cells of different tissues, including skeletal muscle, bone marrow, bone, and the central nervous system. VEGF promotes the growth of myogenic fibers and protects the myogenic cells from apoptosis in vitro and prompt a therapeutic use for VEGF gene transfer in a variety of muscular disorders. VEGF also increases angiogenisis and blood flow to muscles.

IGF-1
Catalpol increases IGF1 which is a well known positive regulator of skeletal muscle. Vector is a fantastic muscle building agent but we all know that in order to grow we need to eat caloric surplus.
Unfortunately as we eat more, particularly carbs, blood sugar rises and IGF1 is suppressed while IGF1 sensitivity is increased.
Catalpol prevents this drop in IGF1 leading to higher IGF1 levels during a period where IGF1 sensitivity is at its highest. This contributes to Vectors muscle growth potential.

B-Endorphin
Catalpol increases Beta endorphin release. B-EP are known for causing the often referred to "runners high" and is part of what makes us feel great after exercise. B-EP have also been shown to decrease muscle fatigue and increase glucose uptake in muscles. B-EP are in a large part what gives us the Mind/muscle connection when training. B-EP improves neuromuscular function, increases the amplitude of contractions and decreases the time to peak muscle contraction in response to nerve stimulation. B-EP can increase initial, maximum and mean muscle tension meaning strength potential.

ATP
Catalpol effectively increases mitochondrial ATP production.

Catalpol is also remarkably hypoglycemic, reduces total serum cholesterol and triglycerides. Making it a powerhouse within RR and lending itself nicely to the overall structure and potential of VECTOR.

LOGANIN
- Is a well known iridoid glycoside with many sources but Loganin is present in high quantities in Rehemannaie.
Loganin is a fantastic anabolic agent in its own right. Loganin is being studied currently as a treatment for skeletal muscle atrophy. In addition Loganin seems to possess anti inflammatory, antioxidant, glucose lowering and muscle protective effects. Loganin upregulates the Atk/mTOR pathway and increases IGF1 leading to increased muscle tissue.
Loganin has also been shown to increase skeletal muscle strength in animal studies and inhibits Atrogin-1 which prevents skeletal muscle atrophy. Further anabolic potential lies in its suppression of SMAD2/3 and increased expression of SMAD7. In animals studies Loganin increased muscle mass, overall bodyweight, strength and protein synthesis making it a powerhouse anabolic.

BETAINE
Betain is a well known constituent of Beet roots. Betain has been studied and shown to increase performance as well as skeletal muscle growth making it a fantastic component of RR and ultimately VECTOR. Betain has been found to increase IGF1 expression, as well as MyHC synthesis which can both lead to increases in muscle. In addition it is a great vasodilator and improves blood flow to muscles. This vasodilation combined with Catalpols increase in RBC from EPO makes this stuff a wicked performance enhancing ingredient.



RR is
-Antioxidant
-improves cognitive function
-Has been shown to increase testosterone
-Increase muscle mass
-Reduce blood sugar/ antidiabetic
-Helps with gastrointestinal disorders
-Is used as a feed for animals as it increases weight and muscle mass.
-Increases Beta endorphins
-Mild opioid activity/ pain killing with out the negatives of NSAIDS
-Increases GLUT4
-Improves mitochondrial function
-Increases IGF-1
-Increases EPO/Red blood cells
-Increases SMAD7 expression
-Reduces SMAD2/3 expression
-Increases performance
-INcreases strength
-Prevents muscle atrophy
-Increases ATP production
-Vasodilation


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Nickype said:
Will I see good results from Vector from one tub or will I need two to see good results?
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All of our original testers saw great results in 4 weeks.= 1 bottle.

I do suggest longer cycles though because although itll work in 4 weeks a longer cycle = more of the effects.
Say you gained 4-6lbs in 4 weeks. Then imagine if you had continued and gained 12+lbs in 12 weeks.
Which is better?
 
Nickype said:
Will I see good results from Vector from one tub or will I need two to see good results?
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I'd say two, 8 weeks worth, but then again, I have x3 and am going to be doing 12 weeks then probably 2 weeks off and on again. On top of it, I have added in Follidrone 2.0

Almost 2 weeks in and I'm feeling great. It's a very nice ride.
 
brundel said:
VECTOR ingredient #3 Rehmannaie Radix extract

March 3, 2018

VECTOR ingredient 3 DATA.
Rehmannaie radix. (RR)
RR is the third and final ingredient in VECTOR the next generation of natural anabolics. RR contains within some of the most interesting anabolic substances Ive seen and has a host of effects and properties that are of interest to us as athletes. RR has been used for aeons in ancient medicine but recently it has been demonstrated to have more than just health benefits. RR is an exceptional for performance enhancement, muscle mass building, strength and fat loss. Lets explore why.

CATALPOL-
Catalpol is approx 11% of the dry weight of the Rehemannaie plant. In a strong extract like the one used in VECTOR percentages can be much higher. Think of Catalpol as.....natural Doping. I see this could be hard to wrap your head around so let me explain-
Here is a quote from a study regarding the use of genes for doping.

"the advance of gene therapy has opened the door to the possibility of using genetic manipulation (GM) to enhance athletic performance. In such 'gene doping', exogenous genetic sequences are inserted into a specific tissue, altering cellular gene activity or leading to the expression of a protein product. The exogenous genes most likely to be utilized for gene doping include erythropoietin (EPO), vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF), insulin-like growth factor type 1 (IGF-1), myostatin antagonists, and endorphin. However, many other genes could also be used, such as those involved in glucose metabolic pathways."

So they are saying in essence that by targeting these specific factors an athlete could augment themselves and become sort of a super human. Interestingly Catalpol targets most of these and more. EPO, VEGF, IGF1, Beta endorphins. Augmenting these can lead to MAJOR increases in muscle mass, athletic performance and fat loss.

Catalpol increases EPO-
EPO has been used by athletes (illegally in most cases) to increase performance for decades. Well known for its use in cycling EPO when injected or when it is increased through other means leads to huge increases in overall performance. EPO increases red blood cells which in turn carries more oxygen to muscles. VO2Max is increased, overall power output is increased, time to exhaustion is increased. These boosts give the athlete a huge advantage in competition but also for those who are not competitors it allows for the same improvements making your everyday Clark Kent into more of a Superman. When combined with RRs second chemical constieunt, a strong vasodilator we have GREATLY improved performance as the oxygen rich overabundance of red blood cells are pumped through wide open blood vessels.

VEGF
Vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF) is a major regulator of blood vessel formation during development and in the adult organism. Recent evidence indicates that this factor also plays an important role in sustaining the proliferation and differentiation of different cell types, including progenitor cells of different tissues, including skeletal muscle, bone marrow, bone, and the central nervous system. VEGF promotes the growth of myogenic fibers and protects the myogenic cells from apoptosis in vitro and prompt a therapeutic use for VEGF gene transfer in a variety of muscular disorders. VEGF also increases angiogenisis and blood flow to muscles.

IGF-1
Catalpol increases IGF1 which is a well known positive regulator of skeletal muscle. Vector is a fantastic muscle building agent but we all know that in order to grow we need to eat caloric surplus.
Unfortunately as we eat more, particularly carbs, blood sugar rises and IGF1 is suppressed while IGF1 sensitivity is increased.
Catalpol prevents this drop in IGF1 leading to higher IGF1 levels during a period where IGF1 sensitivity is at its highest. This contributes to Vectors muscle growth potential.

B-Endorphin
Catalpol increases Beta endorphin release. B-EP are known for causing the often referred to "runners high" and is part of what makes us feel great after exercise. B-EP have also been shown to decrease muscle fatigue and increase glucose uptake in muscles. B-EP are in a large part what gives us the Mind/muscle connection when training. B-EP improves neuromuscular function, increases the amplitude of contractions and decreases the time to peak muscle contraction in response to nerve stimulation. B-EP can increase initial, maximum and mean muscle tension meaning strength potential.

ATP
Catalpol effectively increases mitochondrial ATP production.

Catalpol is also remarkably hypoglycemic, reduces total serum cholesterol and triglycerides. Making it a powerhouse within RR and lending itself nicely to the overall structure and potential of VECTOR.

LOGANIN
- Is a well known iridoid glycoside with many sources but Loganin is present in high quantities in Rehemannaie.
Loganin is a fantastic anabolic agent in its own right. Loganin is being studied currently as a treatment for skeletal muscle atrophy. In addition Loganin seems to possess anti inflammatory, antioxidant, glucose lowering and muscle protective effects. Loganin upregulates the Atk/mTOR pathway and increases IGF1 leading to increased muscle tissue.
Loganin has also been shown to increase skeletal muscle strength in animal studies and inhibits Atrogin-1 which prevents skeletal muscle atrophy. Further anabolic potential lies in its suppression of SMAD2/3 and increased expression of SMAD7. In animals studies Loganin increased muscle mass, overall bodyweight, strength and protein synthesis making it a powerhouse anabolic.

BETAINE
Betain is a well known constituent of Beet roots. Betain has been studied and shown to increase performance as well as skeletal muscle growth making it a fantastic component of RR and ultimately VECTOR. Betain has been found to increase IGF1 expression, as well as MyHC synthesis which can both lead to increases in muscle. In addition it is a great vasodilator and improves blood flow to muscles. This vasodilation combined with Catalpols increase in RBC from EPO makes this stuff a wicked performance enhancing ingredient.



RR is
-Antioxidant
-improves cognitive function
-Has been shown to increase testosterone
-Increase muscle mass
-Reduce blood sugar/ antidiabetic
-Helps with gastrointestinal disorders
-Is used as a feed for animals as it increases weight and muscle mass.
-Increases Beta endorphins
-Mild opioid activity/ pain killing with out the negatives of NSAIDS
-Increases GLUT4
-Improves mitochondrial function
-Increases IGF-1
-Increases EPO/Red blood cells
-Increases SMAD7 expression
-Reduces SMAD2/3 expression
-Increases performance
-INcreases strength
-Prevents muscle atrophy
-Increases ATP production
-Vasodilation


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I'm not saying this isn't a good product, as I'm sure it is, but are you really claiming your extract, dosed at 1g, has an effective/ergogenic quantity of betaine to justify mentioning it? It seems a bit disingenuous to me. I'm sure it's a great ingredient and a great product, but it's not providing a full/ergogenic dose of betaine by any stretch of the imagination (i.e. you can still take betaine with it and get benefits from it).
 
Slims said:
If I had the cash I'd do Vector+FD2+ARA. But until I'm rich, I can only imagine the gains.
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Aren’t some of the vector ingredients anti inflammatory? Ara works through inflammation so stacking probably not worth it.....
 
Whisky said:
Aren’t some of the vector ingredients anti inflammatory? Ara works through inflammation so stacking probably not worth it.....
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I've seen people stack ARA with other Epicatechin products, they just dose them as far apart as they can. Haven't tried it myself but ARA has always helped me gain over average in both strength and lbs and I got the same type of effects from my FD2 run.
 
Slims said:
I've seen people stack ARA with other Epicatechin products, they just dose them as far apart as they can. Haven't tried it myself but ARA has always helped me gain over average in both strength and lbs and I got the same type of effects from my FD2 run.
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Yeah ive also seen this but rather than trying minmise the cancelling out of one on another to me it makes more sense to cycle one, then move onto the other.

Much easier on the wallet.....
 
Whisky said:
Haha, depends on who you listen to. I’ve seen comment it’s on a par with medium ph’s (personally I doubt it but I’m happy to be proven wrong).

One comment even went so far as to say they wouldn’t bother with aas again as it was that good.....
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Pretty good stuff. Way better than my S4 cycle was. My strength for reps went up 20 pounds in the first 2 weeks of using vector at only 4 caps a day.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
It was in the anabolic section when I posted my comment...
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That makes more sense. But....it is an anabolic.
Its not a steroid but it certainly qualifies as an anabolic agent. I think they should have left it where it was but one of our reps requested it be moved.
 
Whisky said:
Honestly I don’t think so on an already big frame but look it’s pretty irrelevant. My view was sceptical, I simply pointed out that as I see members who I respect achieving good gains (especially those mid 30’s plus) it makes me believe in the product more.

The industry makes us sceptical of any of these products until proven beyond doubt imo.
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I agree bro. There is so much garbage out there.
We will never put out a product that doesnt work. Yes...EVERYONE says that.
The difference? We have a track record to support this. :)
 
brundel said:
That makes more sense. But....it is an anabolic.
Its not a steroid but it certainly qualifies as an anabolic agent. I think they should have left it where it was but one of our reps requested it be moved.
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We both know full well that “natural anabolic SUPPLEMENTS” belong in the SUPPLEMENT section my friend. Look at the other threads in this sub-forum.
 
Studhorse said:
You guys are cracking me up!
Just posted a before and after pic for my personal log. This pic was taken with a cell phone by my wife.
all I know is I'm very impressed with Vector.
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Dont let them troll you bro.
Keep in mind whos posting what as well ;)
as per usual there are people here to discuss and competitors posting garbage to try to muddle up the thread.
/Ignore.
 
Whisky said:
Aren’t some of the vector ingredients anti inflammatory? Ara works through inflammation so stacking probably not worth it.....
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Many things are anti inflammatory. Best bet is to just avoid inflammatory agents and its not an issue.
This way your not limited to products that cause inflammation as inflammation is one of the leading causes of multiple disease states.
 
EvanMan said:
Pretty good stuff. Way better than my S4 cycle was. My strength for reps went up 20 pounds in the first 2 weeks of using vector at only 4 caps a day.
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I have stated this as well.
I think without a doubt Vector> osta. For many reasons.
 
brundel said:
Dont let them troll you bro.
Keep in mind whos posting what as well ;)
as per usual there are people here to discuss and competitors posting garbage to try to muddle up the thread.
/Ignore.
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brundel
That's why they crack me up. I see the gains and it's hard to tell when you look at yourself everyday. That is why I always take pics at least every other week to track any visual progress. I dont compete or anything just a hobby. I call it like it is and don't try to act like I know everything. Gained 12 lbs. and my waist line stayed the same. (heck I think I lost a 1/2 "). and all I added to my everyday supplements was Vector! I will take that anyday of the week!! Keep up the good work brother!
 
brundel said:
No, but if he was how does that effect the pictures?
His pockets would be larger? ;)
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Hey send me some money! I like that Idea! lmao....
Talking about my hair cut. My wife cuts my hair once a month. (What I have left).
 
brundel said:
Dont let them troll you bro.
Keep in mind whos posting what as well ;)
as per usual there are people here to discuss and competitors posting garbage to try to muddle up the thread.
/Ignore.
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No offence, I dont rep for any company and am merely a poster on this form. No trolling, just keeping it honest and objective with what was provided (the picture)
 
I'm thinking of running Vector/Follidrone for 2 months and then Letrone....Does this sound like a good stack/plan for a recomp?


EDIT: I have already ran Follidrone for 2+ months in the past and loved it, but was alone, no stack
 
BBiceps said:
Huh, I gained 10lb in 3 days at an all inclusive, how about that?!
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Yeah... how about that.

TommyTuffGuy said:
I'm thinking of running Vector/Follidrone for 2 months and then Letrone....Does this sound like a good stack/plan for a recomp?

EDIT: I have already ran Follidrone for 2+ months in the past and loved it, but was alone, no stack
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It sounds like exactly what I am going to be doing but I'm running VECTOR plus FD2 for 12 weeks, then LETRONE for 4.
 
toddmuelheim said:
Come on man throw some VIRON in there too, your wife will thank you
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My god, you're good. Hell, the VECTOR has me waking up to chop wood every morning as it is.
I have considered the VIRON as well since I'm on TRT and it's got some great qualities that lend themselves to it.
It's about the free T.

Good point.
 
tyga tyga said:
No offence, I dont rep for any company and am merely a poster on this form. No trolling, just keeping it honest and objective with what was provided (the picture)
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Wasnt referring to you bro. I was referring to the reps from competing companies who started posting nonsense. We do our best to not muddle up competitors threads with BS posts and garbage. I expect the same consideration. I realize some of the guys on this forum are actually still teenagers but I would appreciate them not behaving like children.
 
TommyTuffGuy said:
I'm thinking of running Vector/Follidrone for 2 months and then Letrone....Does this sound like a good stack/plan for a recomp?


EDIT: I have already ran Follidrone for 2+ months in the past and loved it, but was alone, no stack
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These stack really well. The absorption enhancement package in Follidrone helps with many of the actives in Vector so it improves the effects overall.
Then Letrone at the end for some cutting magic. Sounds very good to me.
 
Studhorse said:
42 days on Vector only. No diet change.
Before and after pics. put on 12lbs. 54 years old. never used any AAS.
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I legitimately thought this was the same day as the lighting, pose, angle and clothes are pretty much exactly the same.

But when you actually look past that and isolate areas you can see the body composition change.

Kudos man! Hard work pays off
 
I deleted the garbage posts by certain reps. It’s amazing because they have been told before but they just don’t listen so I’ll take care of it myself.
 
I may try using vector after I've ran my pct on my superdrol/lgd cycle. Has anyone used it to try and maintain or even improve upon gains from a cycle?
 
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