Black lion - vector

solidsnake said:
He’s got a point, the amount of products we’ve seen come out like this that turn out to be a bag of sh1te is unreal. There all at least 50 bucks for a 30 day dosing protocol, loads of guys come out of the woodwork bumming the product to fuk and a few months Down the line everyone has forgotten about them. I for one ain’t gonna spend another cent on these kind of products until the day there actually proven to be better than the above mentioned ( Andros and sarms) and everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. That’s when we will all know it truly is a groundbreaking product. If and when this happens... here’s my money
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Bro - already proven. Already groundbreaking. But I certainly (I spent many 1000$'s spent over the last 30 plus years on supps) your skepticism.
 
How can it already be proven? It’s just come out! Look, I really hope it is true but you can’t blame me for being skeptic. Laxogenin; the new anavar=bollocks. Then we had epic=crap. Then that other one embracing the power of tomatoes... come on wtf. Like I said, I really hope it works like the above mentioned and I will buy it.
I’ll revisit this post in 6 months to either eat my words or to prove once again that all the hype was yet again more sh1te.
 
solidsnake said:
How can it already be proven? It’s just come out! Look, I really hope it is true but you can’t blame me for being skeptic. Laxogenin; the new anavar=bollocks. Then we had epic=crap. Then that other one embracing the power of tomatoes... come on wtf. Like I said, I really hope it works like the above mentioned and I will buy it.
I’ll revisit this post in 6 months to either eat my words or to prove once again that all the hype was yet again more sh1te.
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Here's one. There have been quite a few others, and certainly more moving forward.

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I'm currently doing the following stack:
1 month ep1logic, Mstack, slinmax
vector I now take a week with this stack and feel a clear difference!
am working on recomp.
with vector more energy, better and rapper pump quicker recovery.
 
I'm currently doing the following stack:
1 month ep1logic, Mstack, slinmax
vector I now take a week with this stack and feel a clear difference!
am working on recomp.
with vector more energy, better and quicker pump quicker recovery
 
BLR once had an incredible product, transdermal formestane (formeron? don't exactly remember the name). This product was actually amazing and lived up to the hype in every way, exceeding it in some. Since then I have always liked BLR as a company and in many ways have given them the benefit of the doubt. I still think they make quality supplements, better than most companies. But their products are expensive, and in many ways over hyped, which is par for the course for the supplement industry. Formeron v2 (or whatever the re-release of their formerly formestane was called) was extremely disappointing (I understand formestane was banned and they had to go non-hormonal), and did little if anything based on my bloods. Same goes for claims that viron/letrone can replace a SERM, also not true based on my bloods. It would be a good addition to PCT, but it doesn't replace a SERM. I think they are a quality company that uses quality ingredients, but lately their marketing claims have been a little dubious. I will wait for actual results before I believe this stuff is stronger than a hormonal product, I mean like a lot of others I hope it is, but I highly doubt it.
 
Stefr said:
I'm currently doing the following stack:
1 month ep1logic, Mstack, slinmax
vector I now take a week with this stack and feel a clear difference!
am working on recomp.
with vector more energy, better and quicker pump quicker recovery
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Thanks for the positive review!
 
uprightrows said:
BLR once had an incredible product, transdermal formestane (formeron? don't exactly remember the name). This product was actually amazing and lived up to the hype in every way, exceeding it in some. Since then I have always liked BLR as a company and in many ways have given them the benefit of the doubt. I still think they make quality supplements, better than most companies. But their products are expensive, and in many ways over hyped, which is par for the course for the supplement industry. Formeron v2 (or whatever the re-release of their formerly formestane was called) was extremely disappointing (I understand formestane was banned and they had to go non-hormonal), and did little if anything based on my bloods. Same goes for claims that viron/letrone can replace a SERM, also not true based on my bloods. It would be a good addition to PCT, but it doesn't replace a SERM. I think they are a quality company that uses quality ingredients, but lately their marketing claims have been a little dubious. I will wait for actual results before I believe this stuff is stronger than a hormonal product, I mean like a lot of others I hope it is, but I highly doubt it.
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Bro 100's of comments and logs about actual results for Vector from seasoned lifters and others - which excede the hype, no? Vector in particular is like nothing ever produced. And somehow their prices are on par with everyone else in the industry? Not sure where you can find much wrong with what they are doing for the community. btw, BLR is re-releasing Formeron in UK in the coming months (with an improved carrier) and 'some other PH's' are also slated. Their never was a Formeron v2. Sorry it was disappointing for you though.
 
bigsmall said:
Bro 100's of comments and logs about actual results for Vector from seasoned lifters and others - which excede the hype, no? Vector in particular is like nothing ever produced. And somehow their prices are on par with everyone else in the industry? Not sure where you can find much wrong with what they are doing for the community. btw, BLR is re-releasing Formeron in UK in the coming months (with an improved carrier) and 'some other PH's' are also slated. Their never was a Formeron v2. Sorry it was disappointing for you though.
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Literally every new supplement has "100s" of positive logs and comments (even though the supp was just released) and is marketed with same hype when it first comes out, from BLR or any other company. Every new supp is "revolutionary" but almost none of them stand the test of time or live up to initial marketing claims, it's not limited to your company, it's endemic to the industry. Also, never said BLR was doing anything negative to the community per se, they make some alright products, I just think their current marketing is hyperbolic and makes some claims that will take time to be vindicated, if they ever prove true at all.
The other product may not have been called formeron v2, but it had a very similar name and was meant to be an AI but contained no formestane and I'm almost positive it was made by BLR. But anyway, truly great news on the real formeron re-release, that is a product I definitely plan on purchasing, do you know if the carrier is DMSO based?
 
brundel said:
If you follow these guidelines you will be surprised at the changes.

1. Progressively increase calories. For example
Week 1. Increase cals 200-300
Week2. 300-500
Week 3. 500-700
Week 4. 700- 900.

2. protein intake 1.5g per lb of bodyweight. Min.
3. 1 gal water daily min.
4. Progressive training increase. Meaning everytime you get into the gym you should be increasing either rep or weight on every exercise.
Keep a log book. Make it your goal to crush your numbers. Make small, reasonable increases.
For example Bench press.
Say you lift 235x10 normal.
Week 1. 235x11-12
Week 2 235 x 12-13
Week 3 235 x 13-14. When you can get 15 increase weight. Do this for all exercises.
If you cant get the extra rep. Rack the weight, take 10 breaths and go again. This is called rest pause and its a great way to make progress.
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Caloric surplus and progressive overload yields results? That is surprising....
 
aovereem said:
Caloric surplus and progressive overload yields results? That is surprising....
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Yeah, never heard that before. What kind of sorcery is this?

Hey, I upped my calories by 1000 each day and gained several pounds in a month thanks to Vector. Crazy times
 
uprightrows said:
Literally every new supplement has "100s" of positive logs and comments (even though the supp was just released) and is marketed with same hype when it first comes out, from BLR or any other company. Every new supp is "revolutionary" but almost none of them stand the test of time or live up to initial marketing claims, it's not limited to your company, it's endemic to the industry. Also, never said BLR was doing anything negative to the community per se, they make some alright products, I just think their current marketing is hyperbolic and makes some claims that will take time to be vindicated, if they ever prove true at all.
The other product may not have been called formeron v2, but it had a very similar name and was meant to be an AI but contained no formestane and I'm almost positive it was made by BLR. But anyway, truly great news on the real formeron re-release, that is a product I definitely plan on purchasing, do you know if the carrier is DMSO based?
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BLR's marketing is actually being done by the community and their un-sponsored response to the product. And it appears that the claims made by the BLR are in fact true - as noted by a large number of very seasoned folks on this forum (including me). I am achieving changes I have not seen since I was 30 years old lol (and I just turned 50), so I am living the dream right now. But, hey I know your pain and money spent on marketing that does not live up at all to expectations.

BLR only every made one formestane product. Don't know anything about the content of the new carrier, but knowing BLR - it will work super well! I am looking forward to it too. Cheers...
 
mbonheur said:
Yeah, never heard that before. What kind of sorcery is this?

Hey, I upped my calories by 1000 each day and gained several pounds in a month thanks to Vector. Crazy times
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This is why I don't change a thing when I try a new supplement. I like to see what it does with my current program and diet.

That being said, the only days I get my maintenance calories or more are on weekends. Most days I stay below maintenance and somehow I managed to gain 2.5 lbs and lost some bf on my ab area with only 1 jar of vector. I've been off vector for a week and I have not lost those 2.5 lbs.

Imo, vector is a win for me. Don't care what anyone else says.
 
42 days on Vector only. No diet change.
Before and after pics. put on 12lbs. 54 years old. never used any AAS.
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Studhorse said:
42 days on Vector only. No diet change.
Before and after pics. put on 12lbs. 54 years old. never used any AAS.
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This 2 pictures look like the same except one is taken further way from the camera, they are not good advertising if you want to sell something. If I saw this pictures before I ordered Vector I wouldn’t have ordered.
 
BBiceps said:
This 2 pictures look like the same except one is taken further way from the camera, they are not good advertising if you want to sell something. If I saw this pictures before I ordered Vector I wouldn’t have ordered.
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12lb gain and it’s obviously not fat.....not sure what more exactly you would want?
 
And all these gains are coming from what? Lets see the hormonal change in the blood tests. Love all these vlogs that claim great gains but there is no science to back it up. What mechanism is occurring to produce said gains?
 
user567 said:
And all these gains are coming from what? Lets see the hormonal change in the blood tests. Love all these vlogs that claim great gains but there is no science to back it up. What mechanism is occurring to produce said gains?
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Ton of seasoned unsponsored AM folks (including me) having these gains bro, lots of logs, lots of folks on the transformation contest etc..etc..
Product is sold out - can't buy if you wanted it bro. So no worries...
Educate yourself on the product and you will understand the mechanism for the gains.
 
bigsmall said:
Ton of seasoned unsponsored AM folks (including me) having these gains bro, lots of logs, lots of folks on the transformation contest etc..etc..
Product is sold out - can't buy if you wanted it bro. So no worries...
Educate yourself on the product and you will understand the mechanism for the gains.
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Educate me on how these gains are occurring? The product contains no androgens so the gains are coming from it raising peoples Test? Igf? Increased ATP? Nitrogen balance? Is there some other way to gain muscle I'm not familiar with?
 
bigsmall said:
Ton of seasoned unsponsored AM folks (including me) having these gains bro, lots of logs, lots of folks on the transformation contest etc..etc..
Product is sold out - can't buy if you wanted it bro. So no worries...
Educate yourself on the product and you will understand the mechanism for the gains.
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Id be interested in hearing your explanation of the pathways leading to said gains.
 
Whisky said:
12lb gain and it’s obviously not fat.....not sure what more exactly you would want?
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Lol, if he now gained 12lb don’t you think you would see a difference? I can say I gained 100lb taking creatine but it doesn’t mean it’s the truth.

If you guys want to sell Vector, use a different model with better before and after pictures.
 
BBiceps said:
Lol, if he now gained 12lb don’t you think you would see a difference? I can say I gained 100lb taking creatine but it doesn’t mean it’s the truth.

If you guys want to sell Vector, use a different model with better before and after pictures.
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BBiceps said:
Lol, if he now gained 12lb don’t you think you would see a difference? I can say I gained 100lb taking creatine but it doesn’t mean it’s the truth.

If you guys want to sell Vector, use a different model with better before and after pictures.
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Honestly no idea if Studhorse was sponsored or not for vector but i personally think he's very credible so it makes no difference.

And 12lbs of lean mass you probably wouldnt really see without perfect photography - you know that bro.....its dropping bf that makes visable change
 
No offense to that guy who posted the picture, but I see NO noticeable difference, even without the assistance of Vector you should be able to make a noticeable change in 42 days with that body type.... plus it honestly looks like the photo was taken on the same day, hair has barely changed aswell most guys I know get a hair cut every 6-8 weeks, even my dad would look like an animal after 8 weeks and he is older than that guy
 
Whisky said:
Honestly no idea if Studhorse was sponsored or not for vector but i personally think he's very credible so it makes no difference.

And 12lbs of lean mass you probably wouldnt really see without perfect photography - you know that bro.....its dropping bf that makes visable change
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12lb of lean mass you would notice for sure, it’s a lot. Saying all this, I already ordered Vector and I like it so far, I’m a little leaner, but 12lb lean mass gain is just laughable.
 
BBiceps said:
12lb of lean mass you would notice for sure, it’s a lot. Saying all this, I already ordered Vector and I like it so far, I’m a little leaner, but 12lb lean mass gain is just laughable.
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Honestly I don’t think so on an already big frame but look it’s pretty irrelevant. My view was sceptical, I simply pointed out that as I see members who I respect achieving good gains (especially those mid 30’s plus) it makes me believe in the product more.

The industry makes us sceptical of any of these products until proven beyond doubt imo.
 
solidsnake said:
I find it funny the word p r e d a t o r is blocked, I know they used to be a board sponsor but they must have done something bad to have the actual name banned when it’s an actual word. He bro I watched a old film last night with Arnie in the the jungle... oh really what was it called? ********. Sorry what? Why can’t you say that word but you can say jw supplements?
Going back on topic. You sound very confident on this vector. Are you sure it’s stronger than ostarine? I know ostarine is weak anyway but to say it’s stronger than something that can suppress you at high doses is a big statement
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Yah they must have burned a bridge.
 
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