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BigVrunga''s Homebrew Extravaganza!

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Man I am a puss, i have to find someone who will pin me , i sat there for 20 min like ok here , no here.
I slapped on my tderm and took 10 mg m1t, and took the vpx stuff i had orally,(yogurt),

So i start my injects tomorrow(sucks). i am a wuss

keep on it BV,
 
Just stick it in your glute and stop whining!:) Just kidding man, ive never injected anything, and Im sure I'd be the same way the first time. I think there's a 'how to inject' thread on here somewhere...I know most of my friends who use anabolics inject into their glutes.

very nice think i will be making a homebrew gel if i ever use a trans again..way to go bv looks like u accomplished ur goals
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yeah, after this Im definately convinced homebrewing is the way to go. The transdermal I made was *very* effective. If you consider that I only used about 6Oz of solution, my doses were 160mg 1test/160mg OHT/and 275mg 4AD.

I also think that the way it was applied had a lot to do with it. I'd put the 1-test/OHT on first, let it dry for a few minutes, and then apply the 4AD. This method served to prime the skin with the DMSO in the inital application, and then drag more 1test/OHT with the application of the 4AD solution. It was a theory that was being discussed a while back by Chemo and PC1, and it really did work well.

This is the last day of the cycle - I extended it by one day because I couldnt make it to the gym yesterday, and i wanted to get one more good leg workout in while 'on'. Im starting to bring the cals up, PCT starts tomorrow!

Morning bodyweight is around 248lbs.

BV
 
Kelsey, pinnin is much easier than you think it is. The needle goes in real easy, I can barely even tell it is goin in most of the time. Once you do the first, the rest of um are cake bro. Upper/Outter ass is sooooooooo easy, you can do it bro! Just be sanitary as hell and you'll be fine man. Later
 
BV, your cycle was AWESOME to say the least! Hope you retain it on the PCT. Keep us informed bro, later.
 
OK, been on PCT since Tuesday. Started with 60mg Nolva/day. Ill start the 7-OXO dermal and trib mix today - just havent had time to whip it up yet! Haven't lost any weight...

My birthday was yesterday, and my girlfriend got me a bunch of clothes that she purchased a couple months ago...we had to take everything back and get the next size up:)

BV
 
BigVrunga said:
OK, been on PCT since Tuesday. Started with 60mg Nolva/day. Ill start the 7-OXO dermal and trib mix today - just havent had time to whip it up yet! Haven't lost any weight...

My birthday was yesterday, and my girlfriend got me a bunch of clothes that she purchased a couple months ago...we had to take everything back and get the next size up:)

BV
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your a manchild,
I am 4 days in, dude things are changing to say the least.
everybodys like "did you steal your little brothers shirt or are you getting bigger?"
 
Great thread. 30 lbs in 4 weeks......Awesome!
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Thanks! It did go far better than expected...

your a manchild,
I am 4 days in, dude things are changing to say the least.
everybodys like "did you steal your little brothers shirt or are you getting bigger?"
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Isnt it great?:D I went from a 220lb kind of big guy to a 250lb lumbering behemoth in 4 weeks:) I think I put size on my calves just walking around with an extra 30lb load:)

Ive upped my calories a little bit, but Im not going to go back to 4500 just quite yet...I want to keep adipose accumulation to a minimum!

BV
 
BigVrunga said:
Thanks! It did go far better than expected...



Isnt it great?:D I went from a 220lb kind of big guy to a 250lb lumbering behemoth in 4 weeks:) I think I put size on my calves just walking around with an extra 30lb load:)

Ive upped my calories a little bit, but Im not going to go back to 4500 just quite yet...I want to keep adipose accumulation to a minimum!

BV
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Kelsey you're on for 8 weeks right?
 
10 weeks baby.
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Yikes! Im done for!:)

Started MaxOT for Chest today - its low volume/heavy routine is perfect for PCT. Been on Nolva for 4 days now, strength has actually gone up a bit:

Flat Bench
90x10
150x8
240x1
300x6
300x6
300x5

Incline DB:
110'sx7
110'sx7

Flat Bench Flyes:
75'sx8
75'sx8

And then 6 minutes on the elliptical...

I need to get that 7-OXO done quick! Dont want to be more than 5 days into PC without it.

BV
 
BigVrunga said:
Yikes! Im done for!:)

I need to get that 7-OXO done quick! Dont want to be more than 5 days into PC without it.

BV
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which 7-oxo are u taking? Homebrewed?
 
BigVrunga said:
Of course:)
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You're amazing!
It was 7-oxo-DHEA?
Did you put in a transdermal carrier or oral?

I'm gonna use Sledge 7OH oral + Ab-solved trans locally on abdomen.
 
Have you tried them both wojo? Ive read a lot of good things about 7-OXO transdermals, a friend even had good success with 7-OXO at 600mg/day orally.

I was going to try Sledge's 7OH but I hadnt heard any feedback on it at the time.

BV
 
You're amazing!
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No, you're amazing! :drunk:

It was 7-oxo-DHEA?
Did you put in a transdermal carrier or oral?
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Its going in the same transdermal carrier that I made for the PH's.

I'm gonna use Sledge 7OH oral + Ab-solved trans locally on abdomen.
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For PCT? That sounds like a good plan. Ive always wanted to see how Ab-Solved would work with a bulking diet...

BV
 
BigVrunga said:
No, you're amazing! :drunk:
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*blush*

(7-oxo)
Its going in the same transdermal carrier that I made for the PH's.
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Which is the recipe? It sounds you achieved a very high absorbtion rate, bro.

(7oh + absolved)
For PCT? That sounds like a good plan. Ive always wanted to see how Ab-Solved would work with a bulking diet...
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I'll start earlier, when i add Superdrol to my cycle and I will continue for the final weeks and for all PCT time.
 
yup im running 7OH right now and actually i have 2 unopened bottles of avant's fl7 sitting here i prob wont use because im liking LX(7OH)..u def notice results a lot sooner with 7OH..the only results i got from fl7 was a it seemed to melow me and eve i wonderred if that was jsut placebo
 
BigVrunga said:
Have you tried them both wojo? Ive read a lot of good things about 7-OXO transdermals, a friend even had good success with 7-OXO at 600mg/day orally.

I was going to try Sledge's 7OH but I hadnt heard any feedback on it at the time.
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Yeah, the write-up isnt ready yet and still not much feeedback.
But, on paper 7OH is much superior to 7-oxo-DHEA cause it doesnt need to be converted by the liver. The writeup of ab-solved on AvantLabs website is helpful in understanding the mechanic.
Sledge is making a 7OH transdermal btw.

I'm totally sure that the combo of 7OH oral and localized ab-solved will KILL my VAT making my ABS show up. It have to :D
 
Check this review out:

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It looks like 7-OXO-DHEA gets converted to 7alpha-OH-DHEA (Sledge's 7OH compound) and 7beta-OH-DHEA in the liver. That's interesting, I can see why 7OH would have a more pronounced effect and take effect sooner than 7-OXO alone.

After reading that article, Im thinking that 200mg/day transdermal might be a bit high. I think Im going to start with 100mg/day - If I can get it to dissolve in 2Oz of my transdermal carrier Ill be able to fit it all in one of Custom's little oral syringe bottles.

Looks like it does a lot of good stuff -Im excited to try it!

On another note, Ive got my Trib/AvenaSativa/Cordyceps brew all mixed together and its waiting to be capped up. Ive been taking 5g dissolved in cold water (a little sugar and it tastes like a bitter iced tea - not bad at all) and my libido is still going strong.

BV
 
OK! 6th day of PCT - went to sleep at 251 and felt like a balloon, woke up and Im 245. Nolva is finally doing its thing and the water weight is comming off. I feel great - full of energy today (finally got 8 hours of sleep too).

The 7-OXO dermal and the trib caps are done. I couldnt get 6g of 7-OXO to dissolve in 120mL of transdermal carrier. Well, I thought I did, but I woke up to see my finely crafted solutions all crashed out:) So I brewed up a little more carrier and brought the total volume to 240mL. 4mL 2x a day will deliver 200mg 7-OXO transdermally. Im looking foward to seeing how it works.

I think the trib/avena/cordyceps mix is working to keep libido going, but its too early to tell. Ive been off for nearly a week, and sex drive is till strong. Im not gazing wantonly at inanimate objects like I was on the 4AD, but desire is still right up there.

So now that I started dropping weight, its time to get back to recording everything Im eating - 4000cals/day here I come:)

BV
 
Bodyweight around 243-245, strength is still going up. Did 265x6 good reps on the bent over row yesterday.

I really need to eat more. There is no food in the house, and I have all this last minute Christmas shopping to do. Im going to get a Turkey sub.

BV
 
BV,

How much Formestane did u take ED? And it was oral or transdermally?

I'm dosing around 160mg transdermal (80 twice) but that may be too much...
 
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I would take 100mg orally whenever I felt the need to. Im sure transdermal would be much more effective.
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OK, thanks, i'm halving the dose. 80mg trans should be enough.

I dont "feel" the need but I see a slightly different color in the skin in a circle area around my nipples, like there is a bit of subcutaneous fat. There is nothing strange at the touch, nor i have any itch. It could be a very mild pseudogyno or it could be nothing (i'm bulking after all).
And i noticed no difference since i started formestane (3 days).
Boh... I'm continuing form anyway.
 
Could just be from the hormone fluctuations in your body, but everybody responds different. I highly doubt you'd see anything related to gyno at the dose of 4AD you're taking Syr (200mg, right?). Unless you were very prone to estrogen related sides. As long as you've got Nolva on hand, you should be fine.

BV
 
You know, Im a bit concerned about liver toxicity and Nolvadex. After reading all of Dr.D's comments in this thread:

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And reading through several of the studies, I do think that SERM's arent the best thing for your liver. While I may not have anything to worry about, considering Im on a low dose 4 week cycle of Nolva and I havent used it in over a year and a half, still...

For PCT after my T1 cycle I used a combination of 6-OXO and nolva (300mg/day 6-OXO for 2 weeks and Tamoxifen Citrate @ 20mg/day for 4 weeks) and had a great recovery. I thought that I'd save some money, and that maybe even this PCT could be more effective if I had used Nolva alone.

Maybe I shouldnt have messed with a method I knew worked well! Im thinking of picking up some 6-OXO powder from custom (it will be here by Wednesday he ships super fast) and adding it to my 7-OXO dermal, and then dropping the Nolva dosage down to 20mg (1mL) for the rest of PCT.

I read through Supersoilder's threads and was alarmed that his liver values were up so high after starting PCT with Nolva/Clomid. But, he also mentioned that he used Nolva alone after comming off of T1Pro and his #'s were fine throughout PCT. So I really dont know what to think!

I have been taking 1000mg NAC, 800mg MilkThistle, and 600mg K-R-ALA for the past 5 weeks...maybe Im just freaking out over nothing. I just like to think that I thoroughly research every chemical before I put it into my system,and learning that Nolva could have high liver toxicity kind of shocked me.

BV
 
yea but then look at the end he decides to use Nolvadex so I guess it really isn't too bad ;)
 
BigVrunga said:
Could just be from the hormone fluctuations in your body, but everybody responds different. I highly doubt you'd see anything related to gyno at the dose of 4AD you're taking Syr (200mg, right?). Unless you were very prone to estrogen related sides. As long as you've got Nolva on hand, you should be fine.

BV
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250mg and 125mg oht. 1-Test amount is not perfectly dosed (the pump got broken so i'm dosing it opening the pump tube), but is around 225-250.
I think is normal adipose tissue, like around my waist. Anyway I have Nolva on hand but without real syntoms i'm not going to start it. In less than two weeks I'll lower the doses and add Superdrol to my current stack and I plan to delay Nolva to the PCT.
Moreover the fact that Formestane didnt change a thing on my eye, make me think that its just normal fat.
 
BigVrunga said:
You know, Im a bit concerned about liver toxicity and Nolvadex.
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Yes Nolva is hard on the liver, i knew this. But Clomid has so much more sides (some can be irreversible) that overall Nolva is a better choice.
And liver protectants are always a must :)
I dont think that something like 6oxo + Formestane is enough after a suppressing cycle like ours.
 
I ran 6-OXO @ 300mg/day (1st 2 weeks) and Nolva @ 20mg/day (All 4 weeks) after my T1 cycle, my 1test and 4AD dosages were the same. Had a great recovery.

Ive just ordered 3g of 6-OXO from Custom and it shipped already (bless his soul!):), and Ill add it to my 7-OXO brew. That should give me 100mg 6-OXO and 200mg 7-OXO per day. I will drop the Nolva down to 20mg/day (1mL) as soon as the 6-OXO arrives.

I do have clomid on hand, but like you said it has some undesireable sides and I dont really want to mess with those.

Im sure with the liver protectants and the short cycle I really dont have anything to worry about, but I always over-react when it comes to health concerns - just look how I freaked out over my blood pressure earlier in this thread:)

BV
 
BigVrunga said:
I always over-react when it comes to health concerns
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Me too! I always try to find the safest way to take something. I prefer to spend more but be safer.
 
Well, the 3g of 6-OXO should be here tomorrow. 100mg trans for a week + 20mg Nolva will be the remainder of my PCT.

I feel like absolute **** today. Absolute ****. I only got 3 hours of sleep last night, and If Ive noticed anything on this cycle its that if I dont get my sleep in I pay for it hard the next day. Didnt even try to go and do legs, I got tired just walking around the mall!:)

Im thirsty as all hell, cant seem to drink enough water. I think I may drop the Creatine now, stay off for 3 weeks and then kick it back in again after PCT.

Libido is still very good, if it stays up its definately a plus for the Trib/Avena/Cordyceps caps.

Off to bed...

BV
 
Whew, 8 hours of sleep and Im feelin' fine:)

I had thought that I was thirsty - but its more of a cottonmouth feeling. I dont have any signs of being dehydrated, and Ive dropped a load of water weight over the past week...Could be a side effect of the tribulus blend I made. Its the only thing that Ive added other than the 7-OXO.

BV
 
WHOA DUDE, dont hurt your self !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

6 min. on the elliptical bike is way over doing it!!!!!

SLOW DOWN or suffer the consequences!!!
 
With all that 4AD cyp in your system I bet you gave it a thought.:D

Just kidding man - how is that cycle going?
 
Leg day today.

5 sets of squats, 3 sets STDL's, 3 sets of Standing Calf presses

Followed by some abs and...

12 MINUTES ON THE ELLIPTICAL!!! :D

Strength is up. Not a lot, but its defiantely up.

BW is now 242

BV
 
I am compiling it all together, for a 10 day recap,
I am up12-15 lbs alot of bloat,233, i dropped death1T(M1T), 2 days ago, because my pumps were mind numbing, I seriously considered why i lifted at all it was so painful.
maybe cause i was taking it with GF juice.(only 10mg ed)
Also I started my nolva last night 10mg ed,because I was getting VERY EMOTIONAL, i was thinking of my ex, just sliding off in a hole, took the nolva, dropped the M1T, I am good as new. damn that sucked.
The 1Test cyp hasnt kicked in yet.
I am a walking pin cushin, I am pricking myself with many pains allover.
I ll post ill my #s on a new thread, heres a few to wet your app.
315 bent over good mornings x 8
bench 300 3x3 easy, 6 days ago,
I hurt my elbow so i am taking it easy for a week,(sucks)
other than that my bp is up and my ankles are swelling a little,weird start for my first 10 weeker.
 
other than that my bp is up and my ankles are swelling a little,weird start for my first 10 weeker.
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Definately look into some Twinlab Blood Pressure Control and/or Hawthorn Berry...my BP was elevated nearly 20 mm/Hg, and pule 20bpm for almost 2 weeks and it brought it under control within 5 days. High BP is bad -If its already elevated imagine what its at when youve got 400lbs across your back and you're in the hole...

For the ankle swelling, maybe try some dandelion root, or compression socks. I had that too at the end of the cycle...damn bloat. When it starts pooling in your lower legs you know there's too much.

Numbers look good man! Good luck with the rest of it!

BV
 
Man I feel like crap today. This is definately the PCT crash...last PH cycle it only lasted a day or two...hopefully the same here...
 
listen , i tried something last night and i think there is something to it,


Instead of cramming food down and supps, on one of my breaks i opted for the cup of JO
and skipped all the rations,
I also did the same b4 bed, no raw egg slurry,nor any supps, nothin, maybe alittle water, slept 8-9 hrs, feel like a million bucks,

so i know there is something to just laying off the big eating and supps,all them damn chemicals,for a day or 2,
your not going to lose muscle if you at least hit maintenance cals. and prot.
 
Im totally with you on that bro...I definately need a day off from the constant intake of food and supplements. And the SLEEP is definately key - some days on cycle Id only get 2 hours of sleep and I literally felt like I was going to die the next day. I could barely stand up.

I would say a day off from the regimen a week would be very beneficial.

opted for the cup of JO
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Jo as in coffee?

BV
 
BigVrunga said:
Im totally with you on that bro...I definately need a day off from the constant intake of food and supplements. And the SLEEP is definately key - some days on cycle Id only get 2 hours of sleep and I literally felt like I was going to die the next day. I could barely stand up.
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Sleep is the key! 2h is crazy!
Drink a lot of tea and (real) fruit juice in place of water and u will feel better.

Merry Christmas!
 
Thanks bro! Yeah, at my old job it was nuts...Id get out of work at 1am and have to be back at 8am sometimes. By the time I got showered, and finally wound down it would be 5 in the morning.

Glad that's over!!

BV
 
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