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Okay awesome guys. I'll probably take some of my accessory work out and do some cardio so I can keep the calories higher. I'm also trying to do some reverse dieting. I have bad metabolic damage?

Also, do y'all find DB shoulder press is a lift that strength doesn't go up fast? My delts look like boulders (probably because of my low bf but still) and I can only do 65s
 
Day 27

ion26 said:
Okay awesome guys. I'll probably take some of my accessory work out and do some cardio so I can keep the calories higher. I'm also trying to do some reverse dieting. I have bad metabolic damage?

Also, do y'all find DB shoulder press is a lift that strength doesn't go up fast? My delts look like boulders (probably because of my low bf but still) and I can only do 65s
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Everyone's advice here is spot on - only time you bump the gear is when gains stall & sides are currently very tolerable. Sides will only go up so if they're rough now they're not gonna get better. And if it's a matter of gaining, as suggested progressively increasing clean calories is the better bet than Boston Lloyd'ing than shiz. Gotta leave room to grow.

Speaking of turning up the dosage, I did just that today - Epi went to 60mg today (from 45mg), & will remain there thru the weekend of the meet. It will be dropped the following Monday, when Max Bulk will presumably go to 9 caps/day for duration of run. Currently side-free besides some lethargy, blood pressure & urine seem fine & joints have been doing a bit better already since introducing Max Bulk (2-step PH's to testosterone & nandrolone). Lethargy was worse today than usual, but had that extra dose of Epi so it all is exactly how it should be atm.

Tonight is off-day, sore as hell & everything feels beat down from 2 max effort days back to back. Tomorrow I'm gonna decimate some back.

Yesterday

Pause Benchpress 135x12, 185x5, 205x2, 225x2, 245x1, 265x1, 280xBOMB (flaired my elbows like a dope & got stuck 2/3 up! :( )
Pause Benchpress cont. 185x10, 10, 10
Db Incline Press 65s x15, 70s x14, 14, 80s x8
Dips BWx15, +35lbs x8, 8
Cable Flyes from High Pins (press & hold contraction) 20/arm x14, 25x14, 30x12, 35x10
HS Incline Press 70/side x14, 12, cluster set of 7, 5, 4, 5

Last night the 2 newer guys at my gym that are also going to my meet were there & it was their Max Effort Bench day as well, so we hung out at 2 benches & lifted together like true bros. The bigger guy that's gonna compete cut weight for the 242 class benched a PR last night....479lbs. Perfect competition press. His 405x2 a few sets earlier were full pauses on his chest, & they flew up faster than my 225x2. That's almost a 1/4 ton bench, with nothing other than wrist wraps. No ammonia even. Gtfo.
 
I wish I could take epi. It's the one AAS that gives me sides. Especially hair shedding. Also, when you guys stack AAS, how do you tell they're both working? I've only ever used stano as a stacker with mecha or hdrol. I can't tell if this msten is doing anything with mecha. I've taken mecha before solo so I know I respond really well to it. Msten I don't know

Edit: no back pumps either with msten. Thought this was common?
 
bcazo said:
That is some serious lifts!!! Oh and 60 of Epi is fugging awesome.. :)
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Loving it so far! Thanks brother!

ion26 said:
I wish I could take epi. It's the one AAS that gives me sides. Especially hair shedding. Also, when you guys stack AAS, how do you tell they're both working? I've only ever used stano as a stacker with mecha or hdrol. I can't tell if this msten is doing anything with mecha. I've taken mecha before solo so I know I respond really well to it. Msten I don't know

Edit: no back pumps either with msten. Thought this was common?
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More or less, you don't know - but there's so many compounds, not like you'll likely be revisiting that exact stack again anyway. Most orals are meant to be stacked into injectable cycles. What this means is that while they can be used stand alone, you still need to create some kind of artificial 'test base' to feel your best on cycle as natty t production becomes suppressed. And they're not really designed to be run totally solo.

Stano, 4dhea, 5epiandro, Ment, Trestolone, Dermacrine, oral dhea w/ an AI, prescription or UGL androgel, are all fine non-injectable options to help energy/mood/libido out on oral-only cycles. These can all be safely run for as long as needed (except Ment, as it's a methylated PH) just like injectable testosterone with no real risk or strain to the liver. More inconvenient than injecting twice/wk, but they're all legal except the androgel & you don't have to inject, which is inconvenient in its own way vs taking pills every few hours. I believe any oral cycle longer than 4wks (which is most) should use some kind of base like this.
 
Hyde said:
More or less, you don't know - but there's so many compounds, not like you'll likely be revisiting that exact stack again anyway. Most orals are meant to be stacked into injectable cycles. What this means is that while they can be used stand alone, you still need to create some kind of artificial 'test base' to feel your best on cycle as natty t production becomes suppressed. And they're not really designed to be run totally solo. Stano, 4dhea, 5epiandro, Ment, Trestolone, Dermacrine, oral dhea w/ an AI, prescription or UGL androgel, are all fine non-injectable options to help energy/mood/libido out on oral-only cycles. These can all be safely run for as long as needed (except Ment, as it's a methylated PH) just like injectable testosterone with no real risk or strain to the liver. More inconvenient than injecting twice/wk, but they're all legal except the androgel & you don't have to inject, which is inconvenient in its own way vs taking pills every few hours. I believe any oral cycle longer than 4wks (which is most) should use some kind of base like this.
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You're right I should have ran stano like I did in the past. Would you say stano is better than trest or no?
 
MrKleen73 said:
Nice squatting Hyde and okay I see on the maxes and a good thing since pulling is your main goal I think you should definitely hold out on maxing until the meet. ion26 - Sounds like you are making some excellent gains. I see absolutely no need for you to increase your doses. You are making gains with no sides or at least it doesn't seem like you are having sides if contemplating going up. Rule of thumb as long as you are making good progress your dose is good. More is not always better if you are at a point you don't need more yet all you are doing is over saturating your receptors making you need higher doses in later cycles. If your progress starts to stall increase one or the other and then if you stall again increase the one you didn't the first increase. Also you don't have to do cardio at all. Shorten your rest periods to 30-45 seconds and crush it you will burn plenty fat that way without adding in any cardio. This is one of the things that a lot of the coaches are recommending now over straight cardio. Modify the lifting first then add in cardio if needed after that. However if you keep your rest periods under 60 seconds it will definitely help you lose fat and the shorter the better if you don't want to do cardio. However expect to be huffing and puffing and covered in sweat everytime you lift which to me feels great!!!!!
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This...^^^
 
ion26 said:
You're right I should have ran stano like I did in the past. Would you say stano is better than trest or no?
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I'd say trestolone is the more powerful compound, but not better - it's much higher maintenance. Stano, I've never heard anyone dislike. Trest neither, until they start getting lumps: Trest aromotizes very hard, & the estro is reported to be some of the hardest to control there is. Trest is non-toxic, provides incredible strength & vascularity & lean gains at proper doses, is 12x as anabolic as testosterone, is great for libido & acts as a base like Test (it was formulated as an HRT option). But you have to run AI's & SERMs with it on cycle usually, & the oral has a very short half-life (4hrs they say). It works excellently as a once-a-day transdermal application tho. Stanodrol is kind of idiot-proof, as it's dry & you only need to dose it twice/day.

EatMoar said:
Stano= weak no shutdown
Trest= shut down from what I gathered?
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Trest is much more suppressive, correct. But since you're gonna be using them with harsher compounds in a stack, it's kind of a moot point - he's running 6wks of Msten stacked with 6wks of Mag, so he's guaranteed a good shutdown. We're just focused on how he FEELS during the run.

If someone was really looking to avoid shutdown, pulsing Sdrol 3-4 days/wk for 6wks or so would be the best route. Very strong anabolic action, very short half-life, dirt cheap, no AI necessary (or any serious support really), no base required. Anything longer than a 4wk pulse I'd still run a 4wk Clomid-based PCT behind, but long-term damage to the HPTA would be seriously minimized compared to a traditional 6-8wk cycle. Dosing (& thus training) in the morning would be best to keep hormones closest to the natural rhythm (why I haven't done it).
 
Day 29

Morn Weight 206.8lbs (-3.4lbs from start)

Today is off-day; lots of ice & snow coming so tomorrow probably too. Eating & resting. And winning.

Yesterday

Deadlifts 135x12, 225x6
Rackpulls (Below Knee) 315x5, 365x5, 405x5, 455x5, 495x4
Widegrip Pullups 15, 10, 7 (PR)
HS Low Rows 125/side x12, 150x10, 170x8
HS Mid Rows 135/side x12, 160x10, 180x6+2, 135x8
HS Low Rows w/ Iron Bull fatgripz 70/side for 3 sets, AMRAP til failure
Db Rear Delt Flyes 15s x15, 20s x14, 25s x10 ds 15s x5 ds 5s x10

Snapped a pic in the locker room right before I left. Wish I had somebody there to take a pic of my back; I was feeling SWOLL. Will post later fosho.
 
I was always so curious about pulsing. I wanted to try it once because on cycle sides get in the way of studying. But pulsing sounds interesting. If run a pct ether way because I like my natural test levels :)

What sdrol clones are out there now? Sdmz?
 
EatMoar said:
I was always so curious about pulsing. I wanted to try it once because on cycle sides get in the way of studying. But pulsing sounds interesting. If run a pct ether way because I like my natural test levels :) What sdrol clones are out there now? Sdmz?
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Superdrols banned so nobodies cloning that steroid anymore. There are clones still floating around on eBay and amazon, I think.
 
superbeast668 said:
Dmz is two joined superdrol molecules that are split during digestion. It's not quite superdrol but still quite nice.
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Oh interesting. Is it pulsable? Or since it's two molecules joined together the half life has changed?

Edit-nvm 12-14 hour half life :( time to look around for short half life compounds
 
EatMoar said:
Oh interesting. Is it pulsable? Or since it's two molecules joined together the half life has changed? Edit-nvm 12-14 hour half life :( time to look around for short half life compounds
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Just run it normal pulsing is pretty wasteful.
 
tyga tyga said:
Superdrols banned so nobodies cloning that steroid anymore. There are clones still floating around on eBay and amazon, I think.
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This. Probably cost you about 40/bottle now, which isn't cheap, but still not bad when you consider most compounds require multiple bottles. And it's yet legal in the UK, & a lot of UGLs are picking it up it's so popular, even w/ injectable guys.

superbeast668 said:
Just run it normal pulsing is pretty wasteful.
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Pulsing in general, or pulsing DMZ? I'm a whole-hog type of guy, so it's not really as useful for me. But guys just looking for quick gains that don't ever intend to get hyoooge or compete at hardcore levels might want to try to avoid needing TRT later on - that's the biggest benefit, I think. It's kind of a niche market tho, because obv if you were really worried about longterm HPTA health you wouldn't be cycling steroids.
 
Hyde said:
This. Probably cost you about 40/bottle now, which isn't cheap, but still not bad when you consider most compounds require multiple bottles. And it's yet legal in the UK, & a lot of UGLs are picking it up it's so popular, even w/ injectable guys. Pulsing in general, or pulsing DMZ? I'm a whole-hog type of guy, so it's not really as useful for me. But guys just looking for quick gains that don't ever intend to get hyoooge or compete at hardcore levels might want to try to avoid needing TRT later on - that's the biggest benefit, I think. It's kind of a niche market tho, because obv if you were really worried about longterm HPTA health you wouldn't be cycling steroids.
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Overall man. It's still gonna suppress hpta. You're still causing damage. It's like shooting tren suspension Monday Wednesday and Friday.

As far as gains even pulsing big 40mg superdrol on lift days it wasn't something that 4 weeks of 20mg every day couldn't produce. I'm convinced it wasn't even close honestly.

If you're worried about hpta stop taking steroids. Just like the guys that are afraid of gyno and losing hair. If it's too much a risk use your own bodies hormones and deal with inferior gains. There's no real having a cake and eating it too in life.
 
Obviously it's gonna produce damage, but nobody's arguing that. I'm saying that it will produce inferior gains with inferior levels of damage, while still getting something over staying natty. It's not something I practice, so I can't vouch for its validity.
 
Here's friday at the gym, exactly 4wks thru cycle:

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I wish somebody could have taken pics for me; I tried a few pics but honestly don't feel like the camera is telling the whole story.
 
Hyde said:
Here's friday at the gym, exactly 4wks thru cycle: <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=97546"/> I wish somebody could have taken pics for me; I tried a few pics but honestly don't feel like the camera is telling the whole story.
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Hate that. I never look good when I take pictures of myself. But oh swell
 
Hyde said:
Here's friday at the gym, exactly 4wks thru cycle:

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I wish somebody could have taken pics for me; I tried a few pics but honestly don't feel like the camera is telling the whole story.
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looking good Hyde!! Waistline has thinned out quite a bit.
 
Suggestions to combat lethargy naturally lol? I'm tired everywhere except the gym. I feel like an animal at the gym
 
ion26 said:
Suggestions to combat lethargy naturally lol? I'm tired everywhere except the gym. I feel like an animal at the gym
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Caffeine if your lucky. Dhea helps a little for some. Testosterone helps for some. That's really about all I got.
 
Basically all the things that have already been mentioned ion26. If you want something natty then DHEA and pregnenolone or just get some Dermacrine already has both of those. Preg is the master hormone and with it you can create / help balance a lot of hormonal imbalances. One of the reasons dermacrine is recommended so often for the lethargy and what not is that it gives you DHEA and Preg which really helps put you in a better hormonal balance.
 
Thanks for the suggestions guys. I'll try caffeine and alcar first. It was my mistake not using stano like I have in the past...
 
superbeast668 said:
Where's Hyde repping at?
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Orbit Nutrition :biggthumpup:

Thanks for all the love fellas; things are on hiatus with our LLC (sadly) so looking forward to getting my supplement love on with Orbit now that they've been able to join AM as a board sponsor.
 
Hyde said:
Orbit Nutrition :biggthumpup: Thanks for all the love fellas; things are on hiatus with our LLC (sadly) so looking forward to getting my supplement love on with Orbit now that they've been able to join AM as a board sponsor.
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Bad azz. Congrats dude.
 
Hyde said:
Orbit Nutrition :biggthumpup: Thanks for all the love fellas; things are on hiatus with our LLC (sadly) so looking forward to getting my supplement love on with Orbit now that they've been able to join AM as a board sponsor.
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I get my rep pay there every month. Never have to pay for my cycles :)
 
Congrats buddy
 
Day 31

Thanks again everyone! So if y'all need some help getting something resolved with Orbit, I'm your guy. Driven2Lift is gonna be right beside me.

So really wanted to squat heavy one last time before the meet on the 15th & see where my max stands, but back has been touchy all day so decided to practice some speedbench & do arms instead - legs tomorrow. Energy was great today; this wknd of rest really did me well. Zero lethargy; lots of drive.

Pause Speedbench 95x5, 145x5, 185x3x9 sets
CGBP 135x16, 155x12, 175x8, 195x6, 200x6
Decline Ezbar Skullcrusher 60x15, 70x15, 80x12
Tri Pressdown (solid handle) 50x14, 57.5x12, 12, 65x9

Ezbar Curls 40x12, 60x12, 70x12, 80x10
Alt Db Curls 30x12, 35x10, 8
Hammer Curls 30x12, 35x12, 40x11
Concentration (no rest between each arm's set) 20x17, 10, 8

I really wanted to do some High Pulls tonight but I know my bench needs work so prioritized the competiton lift - I started trying a new foot position with my heels up in the air & my toes dug in almost right under my ass. I really like this setup; it's easier to get into than the form I was using & I seem to be stronger/able to engage my lats better during the lift. This is really only my 3rd time playing with it & I already like it enough to decide I'll be lifting like this at the meet. All the arm work was very strict; pumps were ridiculous & had a great workout.
 
Day 33

Morn Weight 209.8lbs (-0.4lbs from start)

Yesterday

Backsquat 139x5, 229x5, 319x3, 369x1, 409x1, 429x1, 449x1
Hacksquat (facing weight, ATG) 4pps x12, 5x10, 6x10, 7x8, 7+25 x6
Lying Leg Curl 80x12, 100x12, 120x12, 130x12
Leg Extensions 150x15, 170x8 (quit because knees were hurting too bad)

449 @ this BW is a PR; 465 was on M1T at almost 220lbs so this is great - right on track; I'm gonna smash ~455 in the meet fosho (we'll have metric plates). People I didn't even know were complimenting me on my squat lol; that's how you know you're in a commercial gym ;)

Tonight

High Pulls (past nipple) 95x5, 135x5, 155x5, 175x1, 185x1, 195x1, 205x1, 215x1, 225x1, 235x1 (PRs!)
Widegrip Pullups BWx12, 10, 8
D-Handle Pulldowns (facing away from stack) 120x18, 160x12, 10
HS Mid Rows - Widegrip 135/side x12, 160x10, 180x6
- Closegrip, Iron Bull gripz 90xAMRAP, 115x12, 8

Veins are great, strength is great, weight has come back up but don't think it's bf (not that I'm losing any currently, just think increasing cals heading towards the meet has let me grow a tad). Tomorrow is shoulders & tris or bis probably.
 
Do you like high pulls? I feel like they'll rip apart my rotator cuffs. They seem beneficial though.
 
EatMoar said:
Do you like high pulls? I feel like they'll rip apart my rotator cuffs. They seem beneficial though.
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I've never even touched them til this cycle, EVER. They were added just to try something new, & damn if they aren't a blast -especially because if I do them 2-3x/wk I can really feel them in my traps & calves, which could always be bigger (I do ZERO calf-work anymore). I actually enjoy them - they feel like a powerlift, without the injuries lol. As a non-Oly lifter, they don't really have any transfer to my main lifts, but they seem like a decent mass builder for the neck/upper back & stimulate a lot of the posterior chain. Especially if you did 5x5 or such with them. I just enjoy them I'm finding. It'll be epic when I'm slinging 3 plates/side up past my nips.

If they hurt, I wouldn't waste my time on them, but if you're just leery of pain & never tried them try it with the bar & keep adding 10lbs/side til you get it dialed in.
 
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