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BIGGER, FASTER, STRONGER: Snag's Recipe for a [NATURAL] Recomp, Competition Style!

Force of Green said:
Reps for your variety of sports and athletics. You remind me of Bo Jackson. Dur ain't nuffin Bo dozin know! ;)
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Bo was an amazing specimen, no doubt about it. Possibly the most powerfull/speedy/versatilely skilled athlete we have ever seen. I'll never forget when I saw that dude make a throw - from the fence in leftfield - on a line, a perfect strike to home plate to nail a runner trying to score. Un-freaking-believable. He did some insane things on the football field too.. just amazing.
 
Snag, I would continue with Anabolic Pump. I think I posted why it is good for Ketosis here. If not, here it is again:

Ketosis is simply the process of your body hydrolyzing (chemical breakdown via the interjection of a water molecule to form two end products, or the reaction of a substrate with water) stored triglycerides (fatty acid chains combined with a glycerol, and the body's primary source of stored adipose) to be used as fuel; Ketosis is the recognition by your body of chronic starvation. It therefore causes lipolysis (breakdown of stored triglycerides into respective fatty acids and glycerol molecules) in order to provide fuel in the absence of glucose (your body uses these as fuel via B-Oxidation). AP is beneficial, because it will expedite (speed up) this process due to its direct interconnectivity with many of the above mentioned processes.

a) It increases levels of CPT-1. CPT-1 is the rate-limiting (controls the rate at which a process can occur) enzyme of B-Oxidation (the oxidizing of fatty acids to be used as fuel), and increasing it increases the amount of lipids your mitochondria will use as fuel. This is important, because even during Ketosis where lipolysis (break up of TG into FAs) is occurring, if you do not oxidize (burn) the FAs, they will simply redeposit.

b) On the note of redepositing, AMPk inhibits the accumulation and synthesis of TGs and cholesterol. Why is this beneficial, and tied into the above point? Because if the redepositing of lipids is inhibited, they will be forced to circulate the bloodstream continually; with the increasing of CPT-1, the possibility is increased they will subsequently be oxidized.

Now, as I said, R-ALA is not an anti-lipogenic (compound which inhibits the accumulation, differentiation, or biosynthesis of lipids) and would not assist as greatly as AP would on a "carb-up" during Ketosis. The primary goal of Ketosis is releasing stored triglycerides into the bloodstream to be oxidized: AP accomplishes this. The fundamental step to remaining in Ketosis is low blood sugar levels: AP accomplishes this.
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Mulletsoldier said:
Snag, I would continue with Anabolic Pump. I think I posted why it is good for Ketosis here.
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Oh I totally understand the action that AP facilitates (and the benefit thereof in keto state).. I guess what's on my mind is just being on it too long, becoming desensitized to the effect (never had this worry till you put it in my head). If I've overstayed my welcome on this compound, this needs to be rectified ASAP. I am still leaning out & hardening up at ~400g carbs daily, so I believe it's still working for me..
 
snagency said:
Oh I totally understand the action that AP facilitates (and the benefit thereof in keto state).. I guess what's on my mind is just being on it too long, becoming desensitized to the effect (never had this worry till you put it in my head). If I've overstayed my welcome on this compound, this needs to be rectified ASAP. I am still leaning out & hardening up at ~400g carbs daily, so I believe it's still working for me..
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Mind/Matter
 
snagency said:
Oh I totally understand the action that AP facilitates (and the benefit thereof in keto state).. I guess what's on my mind is just being on it too long, becoming desensitized to the effect (never had this worry till you put it in my head). If I've overstayed my welcome on this compound, this needs to be rectified ASAP. I am still leaning out & hardening up at ~400g carbs daily, so I believe it's still working for me..
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Haha, I would say so! What I was leaning towards was this, though: By utilizing AP in conjunction with a Ketogenic-style diet you switch the oxidative substrate from glucose to FFAs; and, thereby, you mediate different mechanisms. In this respect, you can utilize the compound as such for some time, than carb-back up and utilize glucose as the oxidative substrate.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Haha, I would say so! What I was leaning towards was this, though: By utilizing AP in conjunction with a Ketogenic-style diet you switch the oxidative substrate from glucose to FFAs; and, thereby, you mediate different mechanisms. In this respect, you can utilize the compound as such for some time, than carb-back up and utilize glucose as the oxidative substrate.
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:goodpost: Now that's exactly what I was looking for! I wondered what effect dietary changes would play in the mechanism of action, if cycling the macros would alter the substrate of action and extend compound efficacy.

Schweeeeet! :afro:
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Haha, I would say so! What I was leaning towards was this, though: By utilizing AP in conjunction with a Ketogenic-style diet you switch the oxidative substrate from glucose to FFAs; and, thereby, you mediate different mechanisms. In this respect, you can utilize the compound as such for some time, than carb-back up and utilize glucose as the oxidative substrate.
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I read all the science you've posted and am very impressed Mullet... I just gotta find the posts where it has guidelines for using AP while on a low carb diet. I think I'm on the right track tho.
 
snagency said:
:goodpost: Now that's exactly what I was looking for! I wondered what effect dietary changes would play in the mechanism of action, if cycling the macros would alter the substrate of action and extend compound efficacy.

Schweeeeet! :afro:
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Yes, I believe it would. I have been doing this for some time, and is part of the reason I have utilized the compound indefinitely. Keep in mind though: By 'Ketogenic' I do not necessarily mean an 'all day no-carbohydrate situation', but inducing tagential periods of glucose depravation.

This constitutes eliminating carbohydates completely from the last meal of the day and first meal of the proceeding day - in other words, utilizing the fasted training protocol. This protocol can be enacted for a period of 6-8 weeks, significantly recomposing tissue, so to speak. After this period, one ceases the fasted training and the body switches back to glucose as its oxidative substrate BUT, with increased glucose sensitivity prior to the previous run.*


*this is due to significant mitigation of plasma triglycerides and LDL cholesterol, both immediate precursors to Insulin insensitivity.
 
If there is some interest, I can outline my fasted training protocol in earnest. It includes USP and non-USP products, but the MOA is the important aspect, not the affiliation. Personally, I feel it makes 'cutting' irrelevant.
 
Please do. I am already familiar with your method (and have created a very similar protocol based off yours, as you know), but I think there is great interest in such a schematic, as well as the explanation of the metabolic processes involved.

Boys & girls, class is in session.. :bow28:
 
Haha, I think that "Kneel Suckers" icon is the only one I haven't used on this site till now.. been looking for an opportunity to use it, seemed like the perfect time!
 
I will whip it up some time, for sure. I will not put a definitive timeline on that as, if I do, an Anonymous thread will pop-up saying how I never come through on my promises.

:lol:
 
When I'm able to afford extracurricular purchases and join the consumers society once again, I'll be VERY interested in an AP fasted workout regiment.
 
Well, you can just use bulk supplies. As I said, this method is more about particular ingredients than products. Some, though, I have found deliver superior results from particular companies v., in bulk.
 
That Anonymous section is a nuisance.. I just went in there today for the first time in a long while to view a couple laughable threads, can't believe that thing is still running.

I posted a couple times when it first came out, having a little fun with Mullet (:stick: couldn't resist, haha), but I never thought that thing would have lasting power.. wow.
 
snagency said:
That Anonymous section is a nuisance.. I just went in there today for the first time in a long while to view a couple laughable threads, can't believe that thing is still running.

I posted a couple times when it first came out, having a little fun with Mullet (:stick: couldn't resist, haha), but I never thought that thing would have lasting power.. wow.
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I think there are some people who post primarily in the Anonymous Section, because they have nothing else to offer bodybuilding, nutritional or anything else wise. I think they're all little peckered, weenie tots that got picked on, so they take their pent up bullied years out on the Anonymous Section where they can talk big and not get socked.
 
VolcomX311 said:
I think there are some people who post primarily in the Anonymous Section, because they have nothing else to offer bodybuilding, nutritional or anything else wise. I think they're all little peckered, weenie tots that got picked on, so they take their pent up bullied years out on the Anonymous Section where they can talk big and not get socked.
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Classic! :toofunny: :lol: ..and :lmao: for good measure!
 
Meal #4 today.. anality at it's finest..

6oz. 90% sirloin
1 cup broccoli
1/2 cup brown rice
4oz. Romaine salad w/ 6 cherry tomatoes
2 TBS Balsamic/Olive Oil vinaigrette mix
generous ground peppercorn

tomorrow, I will have a slightly different twist of this, one of my fav combos:

6oz. 90% sirloin
7oz. sweet potato
1 cup broccoli
(I love the beef/sweet potato combo..mmmm)

..a variation of this meal when I shift macros to higher protein/lower carb:

6oz. 90% sirloin
4 egg whites
1 piece Ezekiel bread, toasted crisp
4oz. Romaine salad w/ 6 cherry tomatoes
2 TBS Balsamic/Olive Oil vinaigrette mix
1 TBS ff shredded cheese
generous ground peppercorn

..and yet again in keto stage:

8oz. 90% sirloin
1 cup broccoli

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6oz. 90% sirloin
4 egg whites
4oz. Romaine salad
2 TBS Balsamic/Olive Oil vinaigrette mix
generous ground peppercorn
 
Snag, you're probably the only one I know who'd be as happy for this as I was .. [my family didn't really care when i told them] ..

I picked up 93/7 ground beef for $2.29/lbs last night. Fresh as could be; Safeway's representing here in Colorado!

.. on top of it, I picked up some tender beef meat @ $2.99/lbs as well. Not quite as great of a deal, as a week ago, I got the same meat for $1.99, but even so .. I walked outta the grocery store with a big smile on my face! lol
 
A man after a Type A's heart right there Snag!! Yummy...
 
vikinginc said:
Snag, you're probably the only one I know who'd be as happy for this as I was .. [my family didn't really care when i told them] ..

I picked up 93/7 ground beef for $2.29/lbs last night. Fresh as could be; Safeway's representing here in Colorado!

.. on top of it, I picked up some tender beef meat @ $2.99/lbs as well. Not quite as great of a deal, as a week ago, I got the same meat for $1.99, but even so .. I walked outta the grocery store with a big smile on my face! lol
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Awesome! Glad to see you putting some red meat in that diet! :thumbsup:
 
snagency said:
Awesome! Glad to see you putting some red meat in that diet! :thumbsup:
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You definitely inspired me to do that, Snag. I've been having 8oz of 93/7 ground beef in Meal 4 for about 8 weeks now. Any reason why you use the sirloin (I'm assuming it's 90/10 ?) rather than the leaner beef?
 
Irish Cannon said:
You definitely inspired me to do that, Snag. I've been having 8oz of 93/7 ground beef in Meal 4 for about 8 weeks now. Any reason why you use the sirloin (I'm assuming it's 90/10 ?) rather than the leaner beef.
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Good deal Irish, glad to inspire! :D

Actually my preference, if I'm using ground beef, is the 96/4 Laura's Lean Beef. Meijer has the same 96/4 in their brand, and I use that quite a bit. I buy in bulk when it's on sale, usually 10-15lbs. at a time. If I don't pay attention to reserve quantities tho and have to restock when there's no sale going on, I'll drop down to the 92/8 Laura's or Meijer's 90/10 sirloin. Just so happens the lean stuff wasn't on sale this weekend, but the 90/10 was, so I snatched up 10lbs.
The 96 is preferred -- it's so much easier to cut that lb. in 1/2 and eat 8 oz. servings (with 50g protein, @ 9g fat there) -- vs. 6oz. of the 90/10 (@ 15g fat there) -- a bit trickier to work with and keep my macros where I want them..
 
VolcomX311 said:
I think there are some people who post primarily in the Anonymous Section, because they have nothing else to offer bodybuilding, nutritional or anything else wise. I think they're all little peckered, weenie tots that got picked on, so they take their pent up bullied years out on the Anonymous Section where they can talk big and not get socked.
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:toofunny::toofunny: Yah one too many swirlies sent them over the edge.
 
shoot i got to get in on this thread....amazing build man!! I thought for sure you were geared up! well i am putting together a very similar stack as to yours that covers just about all basis and will be starting it in Feb. maybe i'll do some before and after pics and log also. you got me motivated!
 
VolcomX311 said:
I think there are some people who post primarily in the Anonymous Section, because they have nothing else to offer bodybuilding, nutritional or anything else wise. I think they're all little peckered, weenie tots that got picked on, so they take their pent up bullied years out on the Anonymous Section where they can talk big and not get socked.
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Fuckin'-A!! It couldn't be articulated any better than this!!
Right on Volcom! :thumbsup:
 
getsum27 said:
shoot i got to get in on this thread....amazing build man!! I thought for sure you were geared up! well i am putting together a very similar stack as to yours that covers just about all basis and will be starting it in Feb. maybe i'll do some before and after pics and log also. you got me motivated!
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Well HELL yeah my man! Welcome! Let's get motivated, that's what I'm talking 'bout! :thumbsup: That's what we're all here for! :bb3:
 
Hurricane Snag Snags Down Some Power Lines & Destroys Some Small Huts..

Breakfast today..

(15 minutes prior - 1 Pslin)
1/2 cup Ezekiel cereal
1 scoop MonsterMilk
1 cup ff milk
1 small grapefruit
520 cals, 74/41/7 C-P-F

(if my cal intake were still at 3k with the higher carb/protein ratio, I'd simply add another 1/4 cup Ezekiel cereal here (90 cal/~18g carb), or if I wanted something different for the palate - a slice of Ezekiel toast..)

Day #5 Chest/Shoulders/Abs

Incline DB Press:
4x12-15 {100'sx12 thruout - last set was a mofo; will stay here till I get thru upper rep range comfortably}

BB Bench Press:
4x20/16/12/8

Flat Flyes:
4x8

DB Laterals superset w/ Bent Laterals:
Laterals 6x12 / Bent Laterals 6x12 :eek:
{forgot how ridiculously pumped I get doing this combo, been awhile}

Upright Row:
3x20/15/10

Abs:
200 reps total

Notes: Very pleased today, despite obvious (to me) endurance issues. Those inclines leading off felt gooood, but there was quite a bit of difference between the first & last sets, and I'm not used to this kind of discrepancy that early in the workout. This will come around tho as I acclimate to the format. My abs were toasted from yesterday, so I skipped these again today.. Thermogenesis is in full force; yesterday I was sweating steadily thru the day, woke up to pee twice during the night and noticed I was sweating as well. Digging that, feeling like I'm just chewing thru some bodyfat. I'm still only at 1 cap Recreate mid-afternoon, was planning to go to 2 caps on that dose starting Saturday, but we'll see. If I still notice the ramped up metabolism at that point I'll hold off, no need to up the dosage if I don't need to..
 
snagency said:
Breakfast today..

1/2 cup Ezekiel cereal
1 scoop MonsterMilk
1 cup ff milk
1 small grapefruit
520 cals, 74/41/7 C-P-F

(if my cal intake were still at 3k with the higher carb/protein ratio, I'd simply add another 1/4 cup Ezekiel cereal here (90 cal/~18g carb), or if I wanted something different for the palate - a slice of Ezekiel toast..)

Day #5 Chest/Shoulders/Abs

Incline DB Press:


4x12-15

BB Bench Press:
4x20/16/12/8

Flat Flyes:
4x8

DB Laterals superset w/ Bent Laterals:
Laterals 6x12 / Bent Laterals 6x12

Upright Row:
3x20/15/10

Abs:
200 reps total

(UPDATE IN PROGRESS, CHECK BACK HERE LATER FOR FULL DAMAGE REPORT)
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I will check back later, one thing is for sure im learning from you snags.. Great stuff.
 
What sort of effects do you notice with recreate, i know you recommended it to me, so im very interested in your view, Thanks steve.
 
russianstar said:
What sort of effects do you notice with recreate, i know you recommended it to me, so im very interested in your view, Thanks steve.
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I'll take the easy way out here Russian.. check out my vid testimonial (scroll down towards the bottom of the page) and check my before & after pics earlier this year..

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snagency said:
I'll take the easy way out here Russian.. check out my vid testimonial (scroll down towards the bottom of the page) and check my before & after pics earlier this year..

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Man thats awesome, can you honestly say it was just recreate? I mean thats better than some people see with t3 , t4, and clen, im not being cynical, but i know something worked, if it was recreate then...im buying it.
 
russianstar said:
Man thats awesome, can you honestly say it was just recreate? I mean thats better than some people see with t3 , t4, and clen, im not being cynical, but i know something worked, if it was recreate then...im buying it.
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Beware, Russian. It will make you desire to clean yourself up and cut your hair to a respectable length.

I may give Recreate a try later down the road. It's one of the few products I have been interested in and still haven't used.
 
russianstar said:
Man thats awesome, can you honestly say it was just recreate? I mean thats better than some people see with t3 , t4, and clen, im not being cynical, but i know something worked, if it was recreate then...im buying it.
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Bro, obviously it was a synergistic effect from the whole prep/diet/training sequence.. but do I credit the product for such rapid weight-loss? Sure. It was the only fat-burner I took thruout, I didn't utilize anything else till towards the end of comp when I brought more Forslean/mega-doses of SuperCissus into play. I did run l-carnitine with it after a certain point, and increased that the closer I got to comp.
But what I can pinpoint is increased thermogenesis, endurance, focus during training, mental alertness thruout the day, appetite suppression (along with the ability to consume more foods without sacrificing results - I'm really pushing that aspect in my current attack more than I did during comp prep).. in short, yeah, I'm a fan. Best weight-loss product I've ever used, worked better for me than ECA-stack (not as much energy of course, but more focused energy and definitely more pure fat-loss)..
 
This meal just looked ridiculously colorful and photogenic, had to share..
 

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snagency said:
Bro, obviously it was a synergistic effect from the whole prep/diet/training sequence.. but do I credit the product for such rapid weight-loss? Sure. It was the only fat-burner I took thruout, I didn't utilize anything else till towards the end of comp when I brought more Forslean/mega-doses of SuperCissus into play. I did run l-carnitine with it after a certain point, and increased that the closer I got to comp.
But what I can pinpoint is increased thermogenesis, endurance, focus during training, mental alertness thruout the day, appetite suppression (along with the ability to consume more foods without sacrificing results - I'm really pushing that aspect in my current attack more than I did during comp prep).. in short, yeah, I'm a fan. Best weight-loss product I've ever used, worked better for me than ECA-stack (not as much energy of course, but more focused energy and definitely more pure fat-loss)..
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Recreate is the real deal no doubt, I used it extensively with 100% success.

I do have one wierd side effect from it though after extended use... it fugs with my vertigo. I haven't had much of an issue with it since I was a kid but I got some pretty bad effects this summer and finally narrowed it down to the recreate. Really sucks cuz I love the stuff.
 
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